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[slyborg]

I am all for a DLC where Shep takes Jacob on Maury.

Shepard "Maury, I am 100% sure Jacob is not the father of this baby."
Baby Mama "Whatever Shepard, he is with ME now, get over it. You're just jealous."
Maury "Jacob, do you have anything to say to these two women."
Jacob "But the priiizzzze"
Maury "Well, here are the result. Jacob, you ARE the father."
Shepard "I should go" *runs off stage as the camera follows.

(I used to have to watch this show at work, this scenario happens 98% of the time, 2% where he isn't and the guy dances instead)

[MissMaster_2]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...



Hm.

Has anyone considered the fact that it was coincidental that the black man cheated on his girl? I admit it's an unfortunate implication but I don't think it was done purposefully. It was done because Jacob was the most disliked and boring character in ME2 and they had no way of continuing the relationship in an adequate job. So they trashed it.

This.

MissMaster_2 wrote...

He clearly said he loved her.

Followed by 6 months of nothing, during which he met another girl. It happens.

Siansonea II wrote...

You do NOT speak to me that way, child. Anyone who thought the Jacob romance had depth in ME2 was really projecting. It wasn't exactly Titanic.

Also this.
a) He admits you're his fallback after Miranda dumped him.
He's the only LI that can break up with you without another lover being involved.

He is not as into you as you think.

Yeah 6 months of nothing but everyone else stayed true. But the black guy. I'm not just saying this because I'm black I'm saying it because that's what it looked like. I'm not asian but Kei Lang was sterotypical. Vaga was also...
"Thats loco...loco....loco!!"

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 08:52 .

[Bigdoser]

The funny thing is liara can wait, So can garrus and tali lets not forget jack as well and miranda and jacob could not? I feel bad for jacob romancers.

[MissMaster_2]

slyborg wrote...

I am all for a DLC where Shep takes Jacob on Maury.

Shepard "Maury, I am 100% sure Jacob is not the father of this baby."
Baby Mama "Whatever Shepard, he is with ME now, get over it. You're just jealous."
Maury "Jacob, do you have anything to say to these two women."
Jacob "But the priiizzzze"
Maury "Well, here are the result. Jacob, you ARE the father."
Shepard "I should go" *runs off stage as the camera follows.

(I used to have to watch this show at work, this scenario happens 98% of the time, 2% where he isn't and the guy dances instead)

LMAFO! Dude I love Maury.

[MissMaster_2]

Bigdoser wrote...

The funny thing is liara can wait, So can garrus and tali lets not forget jack as well and miranda and jacob could not? I feel bad for jacob romancers.

Thats what I'm saying! It just looks wrong.

[syllogi]

I'm so glad Vega threw random spanish words into his conversations, it really let me know that he was ethnic.

I know I make sure to tell people stories about my childhood and how my abuelita beat me with a chancla whenever I came into the kitchen while she was cooking menudo. That way, they feel comfortable with my ethnicness.

[lyssalu]

Optimystic_X wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wait, what? This is absurd. Jacob was never in love with Shepard, they were a hookup. He fell in love with Brynn, and they're having a kid together. He's WITH the woman he got pregnant. How is that stereotypical of anything?

This. OP, grow up.

lyssalu wrote...

don't try to act like this was thought out anymore than that

You're the one inventing conspiracies here.

how is falling into a racial stereotype a conspiracy?  the writing was sloppy and had unfortunate implications because bioware was lazy.

perhaps you should grow up tho bro and stop acting like race issues aren't still a thing and like they weren't being perpetuated here~

[PsyrenY]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Yeah 6 months of nothing but everyone else stayed true.

All of them had heavier stuff going on - Garrus was advising the Turian military, Thane was dying (and on his second lover anyway), Kaidan was with Anderson preparing for the reapers, and of course Liara was the shadow broker. And Kelly is very loving so who knows what she was up to while you were locked away assuming you went with her.

Jacob was the family man and the only squadmate with nothing much going on. During your incarceration he (rightfully) judged that you weren't and likely would never be able to settle down to the kind of life he wanted.

[lyssalu]

Siansonea II wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wait, what? This is absurd. Jacob was never in love with Shepard, they were a hookup. He fell in love with Brynn, and they're having a kid together. He's WITH the woman he got pregnant. How is that stereotypical of anything?

gurl no

sit down

he was written to say "i love you" in the romance

and no he didn't "do" any of those things, bioware mistreated his character arc because they didn't feel inclined to spend resources on another less popular female romance 

don't try to act like this was thought out anymore than that

You do NOT speak to me that way, child. Anyone who thought the Jacob romance had depth in ME2 was really projecting. It wasn't exactly Titanic.

u mad

also u silly for comparing it to titanic in the first place

it was written by bioware

[MissMaster_2]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Yeah 6 months of nothing but everyone else stayed true.

All of them had heavier stuff going on - Garrus was advising the Turian military, Thane was dying (and on his second lover anyway), Kaidan was with Anderson preparing for the reapers, and of course Liara was the shadow broker. And Kelly is very loving so who knows what she was up to while you were locked away assuming you went with her.

Jacob was the family man and the only squadmate with nothing much going on. During your incarceration he (rightfully) judged that you weren't and likely would never be able to settle down to the kind of life he wanted.

True. True. You are right. Cheating was one thing. But cheat and knocking up a chiclk was like a one two punch. It just feels and looks wrong. It was two sterotypes for the price of one!

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 09:06 .

[PsyrenY]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

True. True. You are right. Cheating was one thing. But cheat and knocking up a chiclk was like a one two punch. It just feels and looks wrong. It was two sterotypes for the price of one!

The pregnancy was an accident - one for which he is owning up. If you're going to bring up racial stereotypes, he is actually subverting them.

[MissMaster_2]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

True. True. You are right. Cheating was one thing. But cheat and knocking up a chiclk was like a one two punch. It just feels and looks wrong. It was two sterotypes for the price of one!

The pregnancy was an accident - one for which he is owning up. If you're going to bring up racial stereotypes, he is actually subverting them.

Yeah but still. Maybe I'm more pissed about it because I'm black idk. You don't think it just a little shady.

Also you can break it off with any LI at any point.

What do you have to say about Vaga and Kei Lang they were a littl racist also.

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 16 mars 2012 - 09:14 .

[lyssalu]

MACharlie1 wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wait, what? This is absurd. Jacob was never in love with Shepard, they were a hookup. He fell in love with Brynn, and they're having a kid together. He's WITH the woman he got pregnant. How is that stereotypical of anything?

This. OP, grow up.

Grow up?

He clearly said he loved her. It was cheating the only black love intrest plays right in to a sterotype. Don't tell me to grow up, it was wrong and racist.

*gif of black kid saying "thats racist!*

Oh God....the race card. 

Listen: it's pretty sad when a man can't be written as a jerk without it being racist because he happens to be a black man. Thats basically what your saying - you can't write a cheating man if he's black because it's racist. <_<

it  couldn't be because he's the only black LI and squadmate or anything,

also shtap 

pls don't dismiss issues like this by bringing the race card into it

educate yourself:

Tim Wise said...

Asked about the tendency for people of color to play the "race card," I responded as I always do: First, by noting that the regularity with which whites respond to charges of racism by calling said charges a ploy, suggests that the race card is, at best, equivalent to the two of diamonds. In other words, it’s not much of a card to play, calling into question why anyone would play it (as if it were really going to get them somewhere). Secondly, I pointed out that white reluctance to acknowledge racism isn’t new, and it isn’t something that manifests only in situations where the racial aspect of an incident is arguable. Fact is, whites have always doubted claims of racism at the time they were being made, no matter how strong the evidence. Finally, I concluded by suggesting that whatever "card" claims of racism may prove to be for the black and brown, the denial card is far and away the trump, and whites play it regularly.

www.counterpunch.org/2006/04/24/what-kind-of-card-is-race/

[lyssalu]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Yeah 6 months of nothing but everyone else stayed true.

All of them had heavier stuff going on - Garrus was advising the Turian military, Thane was dying (and on his second lover anyway), Kaidan was with Anderson preparing for the reapers, and of course Liara was the shadow broker. And Kelly is very loving so who knows what she was up to while you were locked away assuming you went with her.

Jacob was the family man and the only squadmate with nothing much going on. During your incarceration he (rightfully) judged that you weren't and likely would never be able to settle down to the kind of life he wanted.

jacob wasn't the family man -- he didn't want baggage!  where are people getting this?!  he hated his family.

and the fact that his dad ran a rape colony is only making this **** look worse for bioware

is everyone forgetting about that?

they're just careless about the racial implications of the things they've been writing 

[lyssalu]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

True. True. You are right. Cheating was one thing. But cheat and knocking up a chiclk was like a one two punch. It just feels and looks wrong. It was two sterotypes for the price of one!

The pregnancy was an accident - one for which he is owning up. If you're going to bring up racial stereotypes, he is actually subverting them.

Yeah but still. Maybe I'm more pissed about it because I'm black idk. You don't think it just a little shady.

Also you can break it off with any LI at any point.

What do you have to say about Vaga and Kei Lang they were a littl racist also.

nah man i'm white and i see it

[Siansonea]

lyssalu wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wait, what? This is absurd. Jacob was never in love with Shepard, they were a hookup. He fell in love with Brynn, and they're having a kid together. He's WITH the woman he got pregnant. How is that stereotypical of anything?

gurl no

sit down

he was written to say "i love you" in the romance

and no he didn't "do" any of those things, bioware mistreated his character arc because they didn't feel inclined to spend resources on another less popular female romance 

don't try to act like this was thought out anymore than that

You do NOT speak to me that way, child. Anyone who thought the Jacob romance had depth in ME2 was really projecting. It wasn't exactly Titanic.

u mad

also u silly for comparing it to titanic in the first place

it was written by bioware

Am I supposed to know who the kid in the clip is? I'm not 12, so...

[lyssalu]

Siansonea II wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

lyssalu wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wait, what? This is absurd. Jacob was never in love with Shepard, they were a hookup. He fell in love with Brynn, and they're having a kid together. He's WITH the woman he got pregnant. How is that stereotypical of anything?

gurl no

sit down

he was written to say "i love you" in the romance

and no he didn't "do" any of those things, bioware mistreated his character arc because they didn't feel inclined to spend resources on another less popular female romance 

don't try to act like this was thought out anymore than that

You do NOT speak to me that way, child. Anyone who thought the Jacob romance had depth in ME2 was really projecting. It wasn't exactly Titanic.

u mad

also u silly for comparing it to titanic in the first place

it was written by bioware

Am I supposed to know who the kid in the clip is? I'm not 12, so...

it's always funny when people don't realize the intention of gifs 

internet more

[MissMaster_2]

lyssalu wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Yeah 6 months of nothing but everyone else stayed true.

All of them had heavier stuff going on - Garrus was advising the Turian military, Thane was dying (and on his second lover anyway), Kaidan was with Anderson preparing for the reapers, and of course Liara was the shadow broker. And Kelly is very loving so who knows what she was up to while you were locked away assuming you went with her.

Jacob was the family man and the only squadmate with nothing much going on. During your incarceration he (rightfully) judged that you weren't and likely would never be able to settle down to the kind of life he wanted.

jacob wasn't the family man -- he didn't want baggage!  where are people getting this?!  he hated his family.

and the fact that his dad ran a rape colony is only making this **** look worse for bioware

is everyone forgetting about that?

they're just careless about the racial implications of the things they've been writing 

This. You would think the ones that had alot going on would not have time to even think about Shepard. I mean even Jack stays true! But the black guy? Oh no all they do is cheat. I'm really surprised that BW did not even realize this. I mean if one other LI broke it off with Shep I could understand but the fact that he is the only one and that is a known sterotype is horrible on thier part.

[lyssalu]

Sparatus wrote...

I don't think Bioware did it intentionally.

I think Bioware is just kind of... dumb. And didn't really think it through. C'mon, looking at some of the wallbangerish things in the game you know it is true.

yeah, i definitely don't think it was intentional.  it was careless and they should apologize or retcon or something idek

[syllogi]

Optimystic_X wrote...

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Yeah 6 months of nothing but everyone else stayed true.

All of them had heavier stuff going on - Garrus was advising the Turian military, Thane was dying (and on his second lover anyway), Kaidan was with Anderson preparing for the reapers, and of course Liara was the shadow broker. And Kelly is very loving so who knows what she was up to while you were locked away assuming you went with her.

Jacob was the family man and the only squadmate with nothing much going on. During your incarceration he (rightfully) judged that you weren't and likely would never be able to settle down to the kind of life he wanted.

He took on the task of protecting those scientists, so no, he wasn't sitting idle.  Brynn tells Shepard that she actually went after him, knowing that he was in a relationship.  So, he knew it was cheating.  Brynn knew it was cheating.  He could have even sent an breakup email, which is douchey, but since he said he thought he'd never see her again, would have been the least he could do.

I'm not saying it's necessarily stereotypical, but the Jacob we met in ME2 would have behaved in a more honorable manner.  He could have let Shepard know that he wasn't committed around the time she turned herself in to the Alliance for the trial.  He could have written to her once he got involved with Brynn.  He TOTALLY could have protected those scientists and their families without knocking up one of them.

While it's fine that the writers wanted to take one of the squadmates in a new direction, it sucks to do that to a romanceable character.  

Why not make ALL the romances end in tears and misery, if it's such a good idea to do it for Jacob's romance?

[MissMaster_2]

When people when they say "Hey it's 2012 that stuff is over."

Let me tell you one thing, race is still a HUGE issue in America and the world.

[PsyrenY]

MissMaster_2 wrote...

Yeah but still. Maybe I'm more pissed about it because I'm black idk. You don't think it just a little shady.

Also you can break it off with any LI at any point.

What do you have to say about Vaga and Kei Lang they were a littl racist also.

1) YOU can break it off, yeah. But he is the only LI in both games that can break it off with you totally on his own.

2) Kai Leng is an expy of Kai Lan from Jade Empire so the martial arts are understandable; I don't see anything else stereotypically asian there. Vega I'm not seeing either, what racially stereotypical things does he do? Eat all his food out of foil? Have a dozen brothers and sisters? Is he a hot latin lover? (doubtful since he doesn't come on to Femshep.) What does he do?

lyssalu wrote...

jacob wasn't the family man -- he didn't want baggage! where are people getting this?! he hated his family.

He hated HIS father, that doesn't mean he didn't want to BE one.

syllogi wrote...

He took on the task of protecting those scientists, so no, he wasn't sitting idle.

Compared to what the other LIs are doing that's a joke.

Modifié par Optimystic_X, 16 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[MissMaster_2]

Sparatus wrote...

I don't think Bioware did it intentionally.

I think Bioware is just kind of... dumb. And didn't really think it through. C'mon, looking at some of the wallbangerish things in the game you know it is true.

Anyway, I can already see where this thread is going.

Oh no I don't think they sat down and said "Black mean ALWAYS cheat, write it up." It's just that BW is a big company you would think some one in a meeting would have been like.

"Hey guys, this looks racist."

[stysiaq]

Idk, Shepard could cheat on his/her LI, why being cheated on is so different.

Also I think that Jacob cheating and being black is coincidential.

Anyway, thats why you should romance only green or gray people.