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[boardnfool86]

I am going to bullet my reason why to make this easier to read...

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY. You shouldn't need reassurance in the final cinematic to learn what you already know... their fates. In many case you have multiple opportunities to doom various species. Also, various crew and former crew's fates are in your hands. Your ability to unite them also plays a role in your final outcome (which I will get to).

2. The Illusive Man - Shepard's final speech check... can you get the most stubborn, often times vile being int he galaxy to see the error in his ways?

3. Admiral Anderson - Your father figure, and longtime backer, save his life (however briefly) and get a touching moment that had to have a profound impact on Shep and I found my heart aching as I watched (leaving the full dialog would prob help mroe people feel its gravity - but playing through the entire series recently made it a powerful moment for me)

4a. The Final Choice is Epic (Destroy) - Is your Shep so overcome with grief, and driven by a hatred for the Reapers that they wipe out all synthetic life including the Geth which Legion sacrificed himself for and whom EDI has recently discovered her humanity? Or maybe those are non factors cause you dont care for EDI and wiped out the Geth... maybe Legion was sold to Cerberus so you never even knew the other side to the Geth... all of that is based on your choice.

4b. The Final Choice is Epic (Control) - Do you finally see what the Illusive Man was after? Or maybe you can't let all synthetic life die so you can (maybe) live. Maybe you think you can do better... whatever the reason you take CONTROL of the Reapers and replace the Catalyst as the driving force behind the Reapers... then again maybe you offer organics (and synthetics alike) only a brief reprieve.

4c. The Final Choice is Epic (Synthesis) - Or maybe you just want peace, and have come to see the other side of the synthetic coin. Maybe you realize that EVERYONE has been wrong... or that the Reapers/Catalyst/Saren/IM had some valid points but were going about it the wrong way. You realize that organics want to live, but that synthetic is not the next step to evolution but a peripheral one. So you sacrifice yourself, your essence, maybe your soul? (not religious but I am not the God of this fiction) to bring peace and prosperity to the Galaxy.

5. Relays Had to Go - The Mass Relays are part of the architecture meant to wipe out advanced organic life, a framework set up by those you are out to supplant... and they are the delivery system of your retribution, YOUR solution.

6. Sacrifice - The end brings about the meaning of the word. Your hard work was not for naught, you can save Earth and preserve entire species, but in the end you have to give something up to set things right. You can try and spare your own life by wiping out all synthetics, or you can sacrifice yourself for (possibly) a better galatic outcome.

7. Criticism - I find most criticism to be nitpicking, who really cares that you don't have to reload the pistol in the final moments? The story has gotten so much bigger than that gameplay is taking a back seat to narrative now... but I digress. The one stirking criticism is the fate of the Normandy - it makes absolutely no sense, I can swallow my version to a small degree cause neither of my squadmates came out but somehow Ash and EDI got on the ship and they made a FTL jump? No. The logical way to do it was have it crash on Earth (so if you dont save Earth they're dead) and they can still achieve a similar ending without losing much of the very obvious allegory - but I can understand why they decided to create a plothole since the allegory is more obvious on a new uninhabited world than on a smoldering Earth (or maybe they crash in the Amazon where the Reapers haven't been) But again, digression. If you can't get past the Normandy's fate I don't blame you, I can, I appreciate why they went that direction, but I can appreciate why it bothers people. I hope they leave it as is and that brings me to my conclusion.

8. In Conclusion - Its BioWare's story to tell, we play but a role, a role that should not be diminished by the somber end of the series. Yes BioWare says its our tale, and it is, we play the largest role in it and our decisions decide the fate of a galaxy. Anyone who says our choices dont matter is speaking with incredible hyperbole or they've lost sight of what they've accomplished - which I don't blame them... afterall its tough saying goodbye to Shep & Co, especially on such a somber note. As I've stated above there are numerous changes to the galaxy at the end, so many that there is no way they create anything post Shepard without having to ret con things.

All in all I think the series is a landmark in gaming, and one of the most engaging experiences of any medium. I think was incredibly brave and also artistic to break with game expectations and end the experience in a somber manner - yet the higher your GR the more hope you see in the end (and if its low possibly wiping out Earth and giving you fewer final choices). And they also achieved their objective, the end is very memorable and has even sparked intriguing theories on whether or not Shep was indoctrinated and how honest the catalyst is about your final choices.

I am sure I have changed nobody's mind, but with all the negative attention the end got, I wanted to share my approval of the ending. It was powerful, it was emotional, it did this ground breaking series justice. So much that I wish they would leave the IP alone maybe bringing back the trilogy revamped on next generation systems as nothing could possibly take place in that universe of significance that would not diminish Shepard.

[boardnfool86]

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

[Aisynia]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

[Sam Anders]

Brilliantly colored, maybe.

[ImAFckingDragn]

Why is my crew that was on earth and on a strike team with me suddenly on the Normandy? Why is joker running away from a Mass Relay explosion? Where is the rest of the fleet, did they blow up in a Mass Relay explosion? How is the alien fleet going to get home without Mass Relays? Does everyone just live on earth now? How will they eat? Some alien races can't eat human food. Or maybe they're all dead from the Mass Relay blowing up. (The one Joker was running away from.) Shepard united the whole galaxy so he could blow them all up at the end...

[Blind2Society]

Sam Anders wrote...

Brilliantly colored, maybe.

Damn, that's basically what I came here to say...

[Devil Mingy]

The end brings about the meaning of the word. Your hard work was not for naught, you can save Earth and preserve entire species, but in the end you have to give something up to set things right. You can try and spare your own life by wiping out all synthetics, or you can sacrifice yourself for (possibly) a better galatic outcome.

It's a shame that the game not only didn't show me this better outcome (or any real outcome for that matter), it didn't even bother to tell me about it.

[jess05]

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY.


How?
-Everyone is stranded at Earth.
-Mass Relays destroyed, so no one can go anywhere (in thier lifetimes) they will starve to death
-theres a 70b ton Citedal crashing to Earth that will make a nuke look like a firecraker.

I fail to see how we made a difference.

Of course theres other things that do not make sense, but this alone is not good for the many taht are stuck there ... for the few minutes they will live.

Modifié par jess05, 16 mars 2012 - 10:48 .

[boardnfool86]

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

[shamE12]

boardnfool just stop.....just....stop

[DemonDestroyer]

I agree with you that the endings where good, but i don't believe they were true endings, I see them as "Indoctrination endings". I mean why would Harbinger leave Shephard alive unless it aided the reapers in some way. Each choice is just a thing that helps reapers. Control: reapers live, Destroy: cut off galaxy and kill them later, Synthesis: a husk illusion. So the only thing that needs to be changed is the part with Harbinger, give shepard a better chance against him is all.

[Denethar]

I'll be polite and just say, happy you liked the plothole filled ending, wish I could say the same....sadly I expect stories to be, you know, not horrible.

[boardnfool86]

ImAFckingDragn wrote...

Why is my crew that was on earth and on a strike team with me suddenly on the Normandy? Why is joker running away from a Mass Relay explosion? Where is the rest of the fleet, did they blow up in a Mass Relay explosion? How is the alien fleet going to get home without Mass Relays? Does everyone just live on earth now? How will they eat? Some alien races can't eat human food. Or maybe they're all dead from the Mass Relay blowing up. (The one Joker was running away from.) Shepard united the whole galaxy so he could blow them all up at the end...

So I acknowledged that the Normandy's fate doesn't make much sense, and pointed out it was clearly there as allegory, but something more literal/logical would prob better suit the fan base

As for the rest of the questions, thats up to your imagination - are you pessimistic or optimistic?

[kyban]

boardnfool86 wrote...

I am going to bullet my reason why to make this easier to read...

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY. You shouldn't need reassurance in the final cinematic to learn what you already know... their fates. In many case you have multiple opportunities to doom various species. Also, various crew and former crew's fates are in your hands. Your ability to unite them also plays a role in your final outcome (which I will get to).

I did read everything, but I'm just going to use this as a point.
So yes, we saw resolution with Krogans and quarians. But in the only ending where Shepard lives, the Geth die. And my choice to let them live and have a life is pointless now because i just killed them. All choices end with the Mass Relays being destroyed and ALL other races being stuck on earth... I don't want to get into what that will be like for the surviving species.

Your point about the crew... They're all screwed now. No MATTER what you choose, they get stuck on an unknown planet.... The Normandy is BUSTED, how will they get back? Even if they can get into Space, FTL drives can only take them so far with limited fuel.....
Not only that, but Garrus and Tali can't eat human food... They will most likely starve. Not to mention, how is Tali going to maintain her suit? Fight sickness? What if she puntcures in her suit??? Tali is a GONER!
And Joker. He needs medication daily, what's going to happen if one or two of his legs break? How well can they patch him up? Joker is EFFED!


It's like they forgot their own backstory and characters? Why did they run? wtf? ... I'm sorry, this "Gilligans planet" is a death sentence to the crew, and none of the choices you made will change that....

Modifié par kyban, 16 mars 2012 - 10:55 .

[Camronnba]

Plotholes bro. You may like the ending but regardless of that fact, you can't ignore that if this ending is to be taken at face value, it invalidates much of what we did and were told in the previous 2.9 games.

[boardnfool86]

Devil Mingy wrote...

The end brings about the meaning of the word. Your hard work was not for naught, you can save Earth and preserve entire species, but in the end you have to give something up to set things right. You can try and spare your own life by wiping out all synthetics, or you can sacrifice yourself for (possibly) a better galatic outcome.

It's a shame that the game not only didn't show me this better outcome (or any real outcome for that matter), it didn't even bother to tell me about it.

I think it was very evident in the final sequence leading up to your final decision - but to each their own

[Aisynia]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

[jess05]

The rational explaination for the ending is this.

Use your imagination, it can be what you want it to be.
Buy DLC.


Thats what we got for our $60 bare minimum investment.


I truly hate to admit it .. but thats whatt really happened here.

Modifié par jess05, 16 mars 2012 - 10:54 .

[Midarenkov]

Gravitational forces do not care for opinions.

[Nefelius]

I still wonder if you liked the endings... why are you ppl try to convince us?
U like it - good, go outside play hide'n'seek, whatever.

[LTKerr]

Yes, they were as brilliant as the brightness of their explosions.

[boardnfool86]

jess05 wrote...

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY.


How?
-Everyone is stranded at Earth.
-Mass Relays destroyed, so no one can go anywhere (in thier lifetimes) they will starve to death
-theres a 70b ton Citedal crashing to Earth that will make a nuke look like a firecraker.

I fail to see how we made a difference.

Of course theres other things that do not make sense, but this alone is not good for the many taht are stuck there ... for the few minutes they will live.

No, there are Quarians on Rannoch, Turians on 
Palaven , etc etc, you amassed fleets and soldiers etc from around the galaxy but not the entire species

No, dextro amino based food could be created in labs (technically speaking - maybe the Quarians and Turians starve

No, the Citadel breaks up in space

[boardnfool86]

Sparatus wrote...

A good ending typically doesn't create a billion plotholes and raises a billion questions that will never be answered.

Again, hyperbole

[MattFini]

Brilliantly awful.

One does not simply ****** all over 2 and a half games with the sudden inclusion of space magic.