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[Demon Velsper]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Brilliant

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

[Persephone]

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

The aftermath is not up to me, the future strongly suggests starvation and division unless I can imagine Mass Relays magically rebuilding themselves.

[boardnfool86]

Camronnba wrote...

Plotholes bro. You may like the ending but regardless of that fact, you can't ignore that if this ending is to be taken at face value, it invalidates much of what we did and were told in the previous 2.9 games.

How? I just gave a longwinded (thanks for reading) spiel on why our decisions mattered, how come you don't think they did?

[HrznKn]

boardnfool86 wrote...

I am going to bullet my reason why to make this easier to read...

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY. You shouldn't need reassurance in the final cinematic to learn what you already know... their fates. In many case you have multiple opportunities to doom various species. Also, various crew and former crew's fates are in your hands. Your ability to unite them also plays a role in your final outcome (which I will get to).

Exept they don't , in the end you're stuck with the 3 options given to you by the reaper god child, 3 same choices regardless of your moral alignment and  decisions you made to get to that point. Choices that you must accept even though none of them fit with anything shep would have done at any earlier point in the entire trilogy.

Modifié par HrznKn, 16 mars 2012 - 10:58 .

[GreyhameBioware]

Did I save the galaxy? Does the galaxy properly recover from the destruction of the mass relays, or do people on the destroyed planets die slowly of starvation from not having enough food?

I mean, in the long run life goes on, which is great, but that's not very satisfying.

boardnfool86 wrote...

Camronnba wrote...

Plotholes bro. You may like the ending but regardless of that fact, you can't ignore that if this ending is to be taken at face value, it invalidates much of what we did and were told in the previous 2.9 games.

How? I just gave a longwinded (thanks for reading) spiel on why our decisions mattered, how come you don't think they did?

 

For me, because I end up destroying the galaxy anyway.  Why did I spend all that time trying to get people to work together to save the galaxy if I'm going to destry it for them?

Modifié par GreyhameBioware, 16 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[boardnfool86]

Persephone wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

Thank you - why do people think the mass relays are neccessary for survival?

[zherok]

boardnfool86 wrote...

I am going to bullet my reason why to make this easier to read...

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY. You shouldn't need reassurance in the final cinematic to learn what you already know... their fates. In many case you have multiple opportunities to doom various species. Also, various crew and former crew's fates are in your hands. Your ability to unite them also plays a role in your final outcome (which I will get to).

The Krogan have the Genophage cured, but lose their biggest diplomatic foil to keep them in check (Wrex and Grunt are both stuck on Earth.) Tuchanka is still a terrible place to live, and now their numbers aren't likely to be held in check. They might expand, but the Relays were almost certainly a major role in their ability to do so, and their fate is not known, but unlikely to be all that peachy. Maybe Eve rallies them, but they still have their huge numbers to keep in check on a world that likely can't contain them.

Earth is stuck as a burnt out wreck, and now has the combined military might of the entire galaxy hanging in orbit. While the Quarians have their liveships, whether they're able to sustain their military forces after the battle (and likely the Turians too, who don't have the self sustaining fleet the Quarians do) remains to be seen. There's also the Asari, Krogan, combined Systems Alliance, etc. too to deal with.

Nevermind the ending still has galactic civilization as you know it ending because you're forced to take the kid's word for it that there was no other way. Even if they get home, few but the long lived races will manage it in their life times.

boardnfool86 wrote...

How? I just gave a longwinded (thanks for reading) spiel on why our decisions mattered, how come you don't think they did?

Because you couldn't be bothered to consider what the consequences of the ending means for the fate of the galaxy. Consider how much destroying the relays undoes much of your work.

Hell, consider this very small choice: assuming Kelly Chambers survived two, when you see her in three you can encourage her as a social worker to help others, or (the renegade choice) you can tell her to change her identity. If you to the paragon choice, Cerberus eventually kills her. If you pick the renegade choice... she's presumably dead on the citadel at the end anyway.

One of the worst parts of the ending is that for all the crap they had to reveal (Reaper motiviations, etc.) the stuff they didn't choose (like the fate fo the entire galaxy) often leaves it to rather dire speculation at best. What happens to the potentially billions in orbit and still left on Earth? You don't know, but the eightball says, "outlook not good."

Modifié par zherok, 16 mars 2012 - 11:04 .

[Karnor00]

boardnfool86 wrote...
1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY. You shouldn't need reassurance in the final cinematic to learn what you already know... their fates. In many case you have multiple opportunities to doom various species. Also, various crew and former crew's fates are in your hands. Your ability to unite them also plays a role in your final outcome (which I will get to).

Except I didn't get to find out any of those things.

I chose to cure the genophage, but will the Krogan population stay under control or be the cause of another war?

i chose to save the Rachni queen, but will the Rachni integrate into galactic society now that the reapers are gone, or will they start a war anyway?

Will the races be able to rebuilt the mass relay technology (or find a substitute?)

And so on for all my other choices.  There's no point saying I should use my imagination to decide what happens - I might as well not bother playing the game at all if I adopt that mentality.  Or indeed any game, movie or book.  Think how amazing Lord of the Rings would have been if Tolkien had stopped halfway through book two and told us to imagine the ending.

[Arppis]

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Bullcrap. There was no explosions or anything. Planets have come by without mass relays just fine in modern era. Life always finds a way.

[Persephone]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

Thank you - why do people think the mass relays are neccessary for survival?

I'd like to know that myself.

[kyban]

jess05 wrote...

The rational explaination for the ending is this.

Use your imagination, it can be what you want it to be.
Buy DLC.


Thats what we got for our $60 bare minimum investment.


I truly hate to admit it .. but thats whatt really happened here.

\\

Pretty much this. Hate to admit it too.

[GreyhameBioware]

Persephone wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

Except for the places that are dependent on the relay system.  Like possibly even Earth depending on how damaged it was.

[boardnfool86]

HrznKn wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

I am going to bullet my reason why to make this easier to read...

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY. You shouldn't need reassurance in the final cinematic to learn what you already know... their fates. In many case you have multiple opportunities to doom various species. Also, various crew and former crew's fates are in your hands. Your ability to unite them also plays a role in your final outcome (which I will get to).

Exept they don't , in the end you're stuck with the 3 options given to you by the reaper god child, 3 same choices regardless of your moral alignment and  decisions you made to get to that point. Choices that you must accept even though none of them fit with anything
Shepard would ever have done at any earlier point in the entire trilogy.

3 choices in how you dispatch the Reapers - whether or not you get all 3 is up to your choices, as are the fates of Earth, Rannoch, the Geth, EDI... on and on

all the choices matter, why they need to be summed up for the final decision makes no sense. The rachni contribute to GR but how else would they affect how you use the Crucible

[Dybia]

I paid $60 for a game. Not a license to write fan fiction. This is leaving way too much to our imagination. It was supposed to be a conclusion.

[FoxShadowblade]

Blind2Society wrote...

Sam Anders wrote...

Brilliantly colored, maybe.

Damn, that's basically what I came here to say...

Damn, I'm really late to the party.

[Evil_medved]

You mean Deus Ex endings were brilliant?

[Dragoonlordz]

Nefelius wrote...

I still wonder if you liked the endings... why are you ppl try to convince us?
U like it - good, go outside play hide'n'seek, whatever.

Same reason so many keep trying to tell those who like it that they are wrong because of plot holes or not enough exposition for person B which somehow invalidates person A's enjoyment.

[boardnfool86]

GreyhameBioware wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

Except for the places that are dependent on the relay system.  Like possibly even Earth depending on how damaged it was.

Its stated that only population centers are hit hard... although if you dont save Earth...

[Alarmton]

Hm I think its the fact that theres several codex entries wich says specificly that the explosion resulting off destroyed Mass Relays would make any terrestial planet uninhabitable for life, I think the galaxy is pretty boned according to their own lore.

Modifié par Alarmton, 16 mars 2012 - 11:02 .

[Asharhia]

I think it's the first time that I read the opinion of someone who has really liked the end and I must say thank you for sharing it.
However, I'm sorry but I can't agree with you. The end is incomplete in my book. I may be naive and full of hope but I just can't understand why a game which had an incredible good path, a nice script, where Shepard showed emotions, strenghthen his/her ties (friendship, love) with his/her squad/alien races/you name them, how it bruskly becomes some sort of non-sense bunch of events (Shepard is bleeding, limping, armor broken and Anderson is clean and without a scratch?). It's not coherent. I can forgive the gun doesn't need heatsinks, I can forgive Shepard breathing in the space... But that doesn't explain the end where you take a glimpse of Shepard breathing among the rubble (stones? Are there stones in the Citadel?).
I truly like Bioware said something and crush all our hopes of a "real" end or give us more... hope.

[BrianWilly]

For the quarians and turians? Uh, yeah, the mass relays kind of ARE necessary for survival, because they can't eat any food in the solar system.

Moreover, Earth doesn't have the resources to support a bursting krogan population. Tuchanka didn't either, that's why Wrex wanted to expand onto other livable planets.

The fact is that your fleet is screwed in all the endings. (Unless synthesis magically makes everyone immortal or something, and then you still have the overpopulation problem)

[kyban]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

Thank you - why do people think the mass relays are neccessary for survival?

It's not really a question of survival. It's the fact that Palaven and Thessia are still BURNING. They need rebuilding......... and the bulk of the surviving races are at earth... If they choose to live on earth there will be overpopulation from the Krogan alone...

And about survival, Turian's and Quarian's CANNOT eat human food, they will most likely die or contract disease.

[Excalibur5033]

boardnfool86 wrote...

No, the Citadel breaks up in space

Two words: Endor Holocaust.

[boardnfool86]

kyban wrote...

jess05 wrote...

The rational explaination for the ending is this.

Use your imagination, it can be what you want it to be.
Buy DLC.


Thats what we got for our $60 bare minimum investment.


I truly hate to admit it .. but thats whatt really happened here.

Pretty much this. Hate to admit it too.

No, same statement they make in all their games upon completion - you can play DLC from the post game screen ie no need for a new playthrough (since DLC will take place BEFORE the finale)