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[Kloborgg711]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

I still wonder if you liked the endings... why are you ppl try to convince us?
U like it - good, go outside play hide'n'seek, whatever.

Same reason so many keep trying to tell those who like it that they are wrong because of plot holes or not enough exposition for person B which somehow invalidates person A's enjoyment.

There's a difference between arguing whether or not an ending is good, or whether or not someone has the right to enjoy it. You can enjoy a bad ending, and I won't stop you from enjoying it. It's still bad and needs to be improved. People don't bring up plot holes to argue "hey, you shouldn't like it because this", they bring up plot holes to argue "this is why the endings are bad and we want new ones".

[mrderp27]

Demon Velsper wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Brilliant

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

brilliant does mean very bright, and the ending was so awful that i'm now blind

[Dragoonlordz]

kyban wrote...

jess05 wrote...

The rational explaination for the ending is this.

Use your imagination, it can be what you want it to be.
Buy DLC.


Thats what we got for our $60 bare minimum investment.


I truly hate to admit it .. but thats whatt really happened here.

Pretty much this. Hate to admit it too.

All entertainment mediums require use of imagination (all no exceptions), even games ME1, ME2 and ME3 all do so. Your really complaining about the amount of imagination use not the fact you are expected to use it I hope else you would be very silly in your approach.

[boardnfool86]

Excalibur5033 wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

No, the Citadel breaks up in space

Two words: Endor Holocaust.

Different piece of fiction, and (I looked it up, dont care for SW, so i cant swear to the accuracy) the Ewoks were fine it was Imperial propaganda

[Almostfaceman]

Nope, nope, nope.

[sparkyo42]

Well the brilliant part is that it freed up a good chunk of space on my HDD when I deleted them.

[ThatGuy39]

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

To a fate far, far worse than the Reapers.

[kyban]

zherok wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

I am going to bullet my reason why to make this easier to read...

1. Your Choices Matter - you affect the future of Earth, Krogans, Quarians, Rachni, and Geth DIRECTLY. You shouldn't need reassurance in the final cinematic to learn what you already know... their fates. In many case you have multiple opportunities to doom various species. Also, various crew and former crew's fates are in your hands. Your ability to unite them also plays a role in your final outcome (which I will get to).

The Krogan have the Genophage cured, but lose their biggest diplomatic foil to keep them in check (Wrex and Grunt are both stuck on Earth.) Tuchanka is still a terrible place to live, and now their numbers aren't likely to be held in check. They might expand, but the Relays were almost certainly a major role in their ability to do so, and their fate is not known, but unlikely to be all that peachy. Maybe Eve rallies them, but they still have their huge numbers to keep in check on a world that likely can't contain them.

Earth is stuck as a burnt out wreck, and now has the combined military might of the entire galaxy hanging in orbit. While the Quarians have their liveships, whether they're able to sustain their military forces after the battle (and likely the Turians too, who don't have the self sustaining fleet the Quarians do) remains to be seen. There's also the Asari, Krogan, combined Systems Alliance, etc. too to deal with.

Nevermind the ending still has galactic civilization as you know it ending because you're forced to take the kid's word for it that there was no other way. Even if they get home, few but the long lived races will manage it in their life times.

EXACTLY. Other planets are still in trouble.

Look, I get the expression that "Life goes on" and that "Life finds a way." But Bioware PROMISED an end to all story arcs. This is not an end, this is a galaxy still very much in a state of crisis.

[boardnfool86]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

I still wonder if you liked the endings... why are you ppl try to convince us?
U like it - good, go outside play hide'n'seek, whatever.

Same reason so many keep trying to tell those who like it that they are wrong because of plot holes or not enough exposition for person B which somehow invalidates person A's enjoyment.

There's a difference between arguing whether or not an ending is good, or whether or not someone has the right to enjoy it. You can enjoy a bad ending, and I won't stop you from enjoying it. It's still bad and needs to be improved. People don't bring up plot holes to argue "hey, you shouldn't like it because this", they bring up plot holes to argue "this is why the endings are bad and we want new ones".

I could argue its good, and you just dont like it, thats fine, but it doesnt make it bad

[Erield]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

Imagine what would happen to our current Earth's society if suddenly all oil, natural gas, gasoline, etc. suddenly vanished in, literally, a giant flash of light.  Everything that modern society, across the globe, is based around is this way of creating energy.  What happens if you can't easily ship food from the Midwest to, say, New York City? Across the world?  How many civilizations fail because fast and easy transportation is no longer possible?

If you read the codex entries in ME3, you find out that a LOT of tech upgrades were based on Reaper tech.  Would these be destroyed/controlled/merged in the Shockwave of Death too?  We don't know that--all we know is that, BEST case scenario, only the star systems that are capable of independently supporting life will survive.  The absoute best you can argue for is that you saved portions of the galaxy.  Even those places that were saved are going to be set back, at the very least, decades as they re-build an infrastructure that relies upon being isolated from the rest of the galaxy instead of integrated with it.

Even if Shepard and every single one of his team-mates live, there is no happy ending.

[PSUHammer]

MattFini wrote...

Brilliantly awful.

One does not simply ****** all over 2 and a half games with the sudden inclusion of space magic.

Aren't biotics "space magic"???  Just saying...

[ericjdev]

Respect your opinion brah, but I thought it was awful. For me, it was so out of tone with everything leading up to it, and I hate Deus Ex Machina, it always comes off so lazy and derivative IMO. And as for the decisions I made, It did seem to me to render them all utterly meaningless as well as forcing my Shep into a genocidal decision, something she would have never done, she was defiant from her inception and she wouldn't have accepted an ultimatum from some 11th hour man behind the curtain spewing nonsense. Peace.

[PSUHammer]

Sparatus wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Again, hyperbole

Not really.

What is the catalyst? If it has always existed, and controlled the Reapers. What was the point of the Keepers? Why doesn't it just summon the Reapers itself? 

How is the Illusive Man controlling Anderson and Shepard? 

Did the relays blowing up really destroy the galaxy? 

Why is there space magic?

And so and so on.

He responded "hyperbole" to the person who said there were "a billion plot holes."  That is indeed hyperbole.

[Kloborgg711]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

Nefelius wrote...

I still wonder if you liked the endings... why are you ppl try to convince us?
U like it - good, go outside play hide'n'seek, whatever.

Same reason so many keep trying to tell those who like it that they are wrong because of plot holes or not enough exposition for person B which somehow invalidates person A's enjoyment.

There's a difference between arguing whether or not an ending is good, or whether or not someone has the right to enjoy it. You can enjoy a bad ending, and I won't stop you from enjoying it. It's still bad and needs to be improved. People don't bring up plot holes to argue "hey, you shouldn't like it because this", they bring up plot holes to argue "this is why the endings are bad and we want new ones".

I could argue its good, and you just dont like it, thats fine, but it doesnt make it bad

You could, but I haven't seen any compelling arguments to suggest that it's good beyond a personal definition of "good" that includes plot holes, lack of conclusion, deus ex machina, introducing new character/theme in the 11th hour, and removal of choice/control.

[WarBaby2]

Mhm... sure... except you only really see half of what you have written... not even that to be honest.

[PSUHammer]

Sparatus wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

Aren't biotics "space magic"???  Just saying...

Biotics are actually explained within the confines of the setting.

Semantics...it is all space magic.  That is a horrible phrase to use in a sci fi game where most of the stuff is made up.

[boardnfool86]

Sparatus wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Again, hyperbole

Not really.

What is the catalyst? If it has always existed, and controlled the Reapers. What was the point of the Keepers? Why doesn't it just summon the Reapers itself? 

How is the Illusive Man controlling Anderson and Shepard? 

Did the relays blowing up really destroy the galaxy? 

Why is there space magic?

And so and so on.

1. you said a billion... so yes, hyperbolic
2. when is fiction ever responsible for explaining the hows and whys of EVERYTHING... the illusive man was largely reaper tech that much was explained, the catalyst cant interact with the physical world, also stated... if thats not enough for you, ok, but they arent plotholes... and questions about the aftermath are also not plotholes, thats for your imagination

[Piarath]

It's brilliant in that they managed to dumb down yet ANOTHER RPG's ending. "You're speculating! That requires thought!" You're imagining up your own ending. We could do that if you'd just faded to black. It's stupid, it's not an ending, and the argument of 'use your imagination' is complete bupkis. It's meant to INVOKE imagination, not to leave you to imagine the entire thing.

That's poor and lazy writing, it's a poor and lazy ending, and saying we should just fill in the holes ourselves is the worse form of swallowing this tripe. The story wasn't about sacrifice, it wasn't an epic conclusion. You do one thing and one thing only- destroy the relays. You get the exact same scene NO MATTER WHAT YOU CHOOSE. Just with different colors, and a different implication of what happens to Sheaprd at the end (resulting in either Shepard dies or doesn't; that's it).

You think it's beautiful. Good for you. Glad you enjoyed us. The rest of us have reasonably higher standards. I've seen better, multiple endings in jRPGs like Chrono Trigger back on the SNES. And that, frankly, is saying a LOT about ME3's cookie-cutter single ending "imagine the rest yourself" tripe.

[Fapmaster5000]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

Yeah, I didn't put in this much time and money to play makebelieve in my head.  I can do that, FOR FREE, whenever I want.  The ending was just lazy writing that someone with their head in the thick of it mistook as "brilliant" and "artsy".  The writer got blindsided by their own immersion in the material, and they didn't bother to test the ending (or ignored the focus groups).  

(I'll rescind all of this if Indoc is correct, but I don't think so.  Too much bad press let to run.  If they had a plan, they'd have deployed it already.)

[NormanRawn]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

Thank you - why do people think the mass relays are neccessary for survival?

The galaxy has become dependant on the mass relays however, they have built it into their infrastructure and now they have to find a way to travel with something better then FTL in order to see their homes again. This is beyond their capabilities at this point.

And we can't get the necessary resources to build mass relays, as we can only travel in FTL. And you need to be able to travel to a second position to even build the second mass relay to work with the first. This process will take decades.

The galaxy was fine before the mass relays, but we would barely be able to leave the Sol system yet. The only reason humans are in the galactic picture is because they found the Sol relay and had the first contact war to develop the technology to compete in galactic politics.

The discovery of the mass relays jumps a civilizations development thousands of years ahead. They don't know how the technology works (maybe with synthesis they can find out faster though).

[trembli0s]

Persephone wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Aisynia wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Oh and as far as where is this person, how'd these people make it, what are they eating type questions... Shep's story is over, the future has yet to be realized. Mass Effect is about savig the Galaxy the aftermath is up to you.

Except we didn't save the galaxy. We doomed it.

Says who? You eliminated the immediate Reaper threat, after that is your own interpretation - I believe the Galaxy was saved by my Shep

So you're mentally rewriting it to no longer include the destruction of the mass relay system? Can't say I blame you.

The Galaxy survived just fine BEFORE the Relays came along. They will survive this.

Human civilization also survived just fine BEFORE the invention of the printing press, the internal combustion engine, and the advent of aircraft.

This is about the worse argument you could make. 

[PSUHammer]

boardnfool86 wrote...

Sparatus wrote...

boardnfool86 wrote...

Again, hyperbole

Not really.

What is the catalyst? If it has always existed, and controlled the Reapers. What was the point of the Keepers? Why doesn't it just summon the Reapers itself? 

How is the Illusive Man controlling Anderson and Shepard? 

Did the relays blowing up really destroy the galaxy? 

Why is there space magic?

And so and so on.

1. you said a billion... so yes, hyperbolic
2. when is fiction ever responsible for explaining the hows and whys of EVERYTHING... the illusive man was largely reaper tech that much was explained, the catalyst cant interact with the physical world, also stated... if thats not enough for you, ok, but they arent plotholes... and questions about the aftermath are also not plotholes, thats for your imagination

Keep it up, man.  I don't necessarily agree that the ending was great (I actually think Shep was hallucinating or indoctrinated, but regardless), but with all the negativity and people jumping off bridges, it is good to see someone talking up the other side.

[boardnfool86]

WarBaby2 wrote...

Mhm... sure... except you only really see half of what you have written... not even that to be honest.

And you know what, I get that, I even said something about how much of it is visible and how much is insinuated, what I am saying is that I love the fresh take, breaking with tradition - why does everything have to be explained or shown? I think the finale is properly insinuated and leaving some of it up to your imagination is powerful - i think everything I said is pretty clear or in a few instances, safely assumed and the aftermath? well thats up to you...