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[Erield]

boardnfool86 wrote...


We don't have mass relays and I like my life just fine... and yes there would be a 'dark age' but there would also be peace and prosperity (possibly)

Sure, you like your life just fine.  But wouldn't it be better if we were part of a galaxy with many different races with unique thoughts on life?  Besides, in ME 3 ending, chances are good you'd be dead anyway (your choice of being turned into a husk, dying of starvation, being eaten by a Krogan, dying from falling Citadel causing a nuclear winter on par with dinosaur extinction-level event, etc.)

Well, unless you lived on a planet other than Earth--but you would have made it there by using the Mass Relays.  That no longer exist.

[Spectre-00N7]

I understand your viewpoint and I respectfully disagree. With the universe left separated by the destruction of the mass relay system, everything I did had no meaning at all. You can argue that life went on, but it would have went on if I died in the first game and the cycle continued.

[GreyhameBioware]

Let me put it another way. Shepard may have saved the galaxy, but anyone I cared about in the story is screwed over to do it. That doesn't feel good, it doesn't feel heroic, it doesn't even feel tragic. It just sucks.

Add to the fact that, to me, it feels like someone took everything after Luke meets the Emperor in return of the Jedi and replaced it with 2001: A Space Odyssey. Thematically the story seems to take a jarring shift right when you meet the Catalyst in a way that does not make sense.

This is how I feel about the ME story ending if you put it to Lord of the Rings.

[AtlasMickey]

Well put. I have my own reasons for liking the ending, particularly Synthesis, which apparently Shepard can live through if you're EMS is above 5,000, but this is your thread so I'll let you run with it.

Most of the backlash seems to be regarding the destruction of the relays, which you astutely recognize as the tools of manipulation by a galactic enemy, so I've written a thread to expand on that point.

The [in]significance of the Mass Relays

http://social.biowar.../index/10088018

Modifié par AtlasMickey, 17 mars 2012 - 12:08 .

[kristopherah]

Why are people arguing with this persons opinion its "their" personal opinion i thought the endings were abominations but just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean you have to argue with them. Shoudnt we at least be happy someone likes the endings?

[ollec92]

After finishing Mass effect 3 i felt empty... I felt as if a void of nothingness had consumed me. "What kind of ending is this?!" Right up until the end I viewed it as one oft the three greatest games of all time. However, my opinion was then corrupted by wahat I thought were poor writing...
It has taken a few days of contemplation and the aid of a certain video to turn that opinion around. It is not untill you realize what might realy be going on that you appreciate the current ending. I'm certain you can find this somewhere else on this website, but i belive that everyone who is the least intrested in the ending to Mass effect 3 should watch this exceptionally well made video.

(commendations to ACAVYOS for this extremly polished video)

[NormanRawn]

kristopherah wrote...

Why are people arguing with this persons opinion its "their" personal opinion i thought the endings were abominations but just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean you have to argue with them. Shoudnt we at least be happy someone likes the endings?

Whats wrong with a little healthy debate? Noone has cursed at me yet, it is completely in our rights to debate our opinions, as long as we stay civil.

Modifié par NormanRawn, 17 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[GreyhameBioware]

kristopherah wrote...

Why are people arguing with this persons opinion its "their" personal opinion i thought the endings were abominations but just because someone doesnt agree with you doesnt mean you have to argue with them. Shoudnt we at least be happy someone likes the endings?

I'm fine with him liking it.  I'm just pointing out why I don't.  He's responding in kind.  We're actually having a discussion.  Albeit on that's not likely to change opinions, but hey.

[AtlasMickey]

kristopherah wrote...

Shoudnt we at least be happy someone likes the endings?

Ahah!  That's heart-warming.

One would think, at a fan forum, praise for a work of art would be acceptable.

[cyrrant]

AtlasMickey wrote...

Most of the backlash seems to be regarding the destruction of the relays, which you astutely recognize as the tools of manipulation by a galactic enemy, so I've written a thread to expand on that point.

http://social.biowar.../index/10088018

Um...no?  If we're going to bother to read all your stuff the least you could do is recognize what we're arguing about.  The backlash involves the entire ending, not just a little bit of it.  The extreme tonal shift from the run to the conduit to actually being on the Citadel, the volumes of unanswered questions dumped on the player within the last 5 minutes and then not wrapped up, the magical teleportation of squad members that were on Earth to the Normandy, and then Joker's seeming desertion of his post as he cuts and runs?  All of these (and more!) have nothing to do with your straw man "everyone's upset about the relays" argument, and they are legit concerns.

Plus, my Shepard would have rejected the Starchild's assertions outright.

If you have to "imagine" things that should have been wrapped up in the story itself, that's not good story writing.

Modifié par cyrrant, 17 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[nevar00]

- Dues Ex Machina
- Decisions certainly do NOT matter (where the hell is that army I spent all game building?!)
- Plot holes galore especially thanks to exploding relays (should've killed just about everyone: at the very least the galactic army is stuck in the Sol System
- No closure on what happened to everyone, and enough with the "it's up to you" nonsense. If I wanted to use my imagination then we wouldn't need ME 3 in the first place

It was a brilliant disaster, but that's all I'm saying.

[Detha]

Yeah bro, the endings rooooooocked! \\m/

[kristopherah]

sorry i forget to put "some" in front of people just kind of noticed people were getting really argumentative probably just in my head tho

[MisterNugNug]

boardnfool86 wrote...
I would play it, I think I would be disappointed at first, but if it well done I'd get over it, if it was mediocre I'd unintall it and stick with the original ending... it would make a lot of people happy so I don't think I'd be upset about it

You wouldn't be upset by it?  Wouldn't a continuation disavow your ending?  It would negate the ending you received, it didn't happen.  The choice you made was fruitless because it didn't matter, it was all a dream.  

[Bawseee]

Yeah! Lets take Earth...........










....back to the stone age.

[nevar00]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I think we're being a bit pessimistic about the future of the galaxy.

With FTL, planets aren't doomed. As mentioned by another poster, it simply means that they are reduced to direct support by their local cluster (which likely supported them anyway). Trade with nearby clusters might also work (think European-Far East trade during the middle ages). With the mass kill-off with the war, there are likely also many planets to re-colonize. Civilzation survives.

The Protheans could build their own relays. Sure, they were much more advanced than current civilizations but in the not so distant future, with some effort, galactic civilization will be restored.

I think the real failure is that of the story of the crew and a lack of an emotionally satisfying conclusion. The galaxy isn't destroyed - although its in rough shape.

The Protheans never built Relays: the closest they got was with the Conduit, and that was only done after their top scientists worked on it for several years non-stop.  Plus they were always said to be more advanced than most others.

And on top of that they had been studying the Relays themselves: all of which are now destroyed as well as any other Reaper tech.  A lot of the planets are pretty much destroyed or at the very least a mess, and I doubt they would have all the oppropriate supplies needed to create one Mass Relay anyway, nevermind a second in a seperate system.  So no, there will never be more Mass Relays.

Which means the entire army is trapped into Sol System with a destroyed Earth... yeah.  They're all screwed.  And actually they should've been destroyed when the relay exploded, as should've been most other colonies.  That can't even be retconned since that fact was necessary for the whole first 10 minutes of the game to make sense.

[kristopherah]

I bet you guys 10000% they are making an ending DLC if they dont it means either no new Mass Effect games (they cant be called mass effect without mass effect relays) they cant make money off any other DLC like a relive shephards days as he trains to become N7 or something. And it means Bioware will go down as one of the worst developers in history with thier empty promises and will certainly affect the sales of their next game

[ediskrad327]

Brilliantly full of plot holes of course

[Chuvvy]

Go to bed Mac.

[acenanx]

ket_shee wrote...


3. Feels Out of Place - Starchild was pulled outta left field, IMO. To believe there is a definitive force to the Reapers seems to undermine how the entire series built up to there being sentient and advance AI wiping out civilizations every 50k+ years.

Yes, what happend to:
"We are each a nation. independent, free of all weakness"
and
"We are eternal. The pinnacle of evolution and existence, before us you are nothing"



And on the subject of starchild. . .
He says the reapers exist because organics and synthetics cant coexist, now if you whent paragon as i did you
see that the geth and EDI can coexist just fine with organics.
Now stopp 2 sec and think

Consider that the reapers are synthetics(mostely). . . . And starchild controls them. . . . .  This wil make starchild an: hypocritical, mass murdering, ignorant, words.... frackhead...but it dosen't matter the universe blows upp anyway. . . .


AND: if starchild have always been. . . . . whay diden't he just open the citadel himself, sense he lives there and controls it?????????????

It dosen't make sense to my drunken tired brain

Modifié par acenanx, 17 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[major_threat]

The ending was a complete sucker punch, Id rather the reapers win then having billions of the alliance I made starve on earth.

[Kamacc]

I believe the OPs interpretation of the story is about as far fetched as the indoctrination theories.

Imagine if Return of the Jedi ended without telling us if Han and Leia survived on Endor, the Death Star blows up and it then cuts to luke smiling at Obi-wan....

[Spectre-00N7]

Kamacc wrote...

I believe the OPs interpretation of the story is about as far fetched as the indoctrination theories.

Imagine if Return of the Jedi ended without telling us if Han and Leia survived on Endor, the Death Star blows up and it then cuts to luke smiling at Obi-wan....

We would have at least know that luke lived and that everyone still has means of trasportation.

[YNation913]

I tip my hat to you, boardnfool86. More posts like this are needed, methinks.