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[Chuloos]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Do we know what there office phone number is? We could organize to flood there office with phone calls demanding a new ending all on the same day.
Or we could do the letter campange and demand that they give us our money back for all three game and the five years we spent playing them.
Where to send:
Mailing Address:
BioWare Edmonton
200-4445 Calgary Trail NW
Edmonton AB
Canada T6H 5R7

I don't think Bioware is who we should flood with calls.. it should be EA.. and all their main offices are in California

[Ihatebadgames]

InsaneNarwhal is correct,don't buy anything!Just say no to map packs,battle packs weapons and armor that don't add to the game!Don't play multiplayer even if you love it with all your little ol'heart.And don't forget to "HOLD THE LINE!"We deserve the game we thought we were buying and that BW talked about.Multi-player would NOT affect the single player experiance,and good endings with questions answered and closuer for everything.

[Skirata129]

lavosslayer wrote...

CNN Link Below

http://www.cnn.com/v...ame-reviews.cnn

Mass Effect portion starts at the 4 min mark

I'm pretty sure they quoted my poll, since mine is the only one with an 89% statistic.

I MADE NATIONAL NEWS!

[Ender99]

bLark42 wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

Did anyone see the thing on CNN?

I did, it's nice to see this go mainstream. If this keeps up I don't know how Bioware could justify too EA and their PR to not update the ending.

I saw it too. I'm glad the fanbase has managed to keep up the pressure long enough to start getting serious responses.

Hold the line.

[Kileyan]

Sylvanfeather wrote...

From a PR stance would it really be more harmful to provide an insiders look, than to say nothing?

We don't know how this ending ended up happening. But during the major release sales period you can't really expect them to come forward and say any of the following:

-we gambled on this ending and didn't expect this backlash. This is as close as you will get from them "it was our artistic vision", we are sorry CERTAIN fans are outraged but some GREAT fans like our ending. THis game is very polarizing!

-we ran out of time and money, we had to go with this ending since it was low on computer animation and voice acting costs, less variables cheaper to do

-we honeslty had no clue how to end the game, god child Deus Ex was all we had left

-we did this on purpose because we wanted to erase this game from existance so it was much easier for our team to produce ME4, without worrying about players previous choices being niggled about in the lore of the far future

I subscribe to the ending sucking because Bioware was more worried about erasing everything so that it was easier to make ME4, than ending the game for the fans.


18 months from now you will get the real answer, right before they announce their new game. They will own up to their mistakes, point by point, promise they have learned their lesson, while saying please buy our new game, we love and listen to our fans!

We'll see how that goes, DA3 will be that game first.

Modifié par Kileyan, 18 mars 2012 - 04:40 .

[XTiferethX]

c3pu2 wrote...

bLark42 wrote...

Turtlicious wrote...

Did anyone see the thing on CNN?

I did, it's nice to see this go mainstream. If this keeps up I don't know how Bioware could justify too EA and their PR to not update the ending.

plus they did not refer to us as spoiled little kid wich is nice

Really hope they change the ending ME3 deserves better.
Holding the line

[Jacobcus]

Chuloos wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Do we know what there office phone number is? We could organize to flood there office with phone calls demanding a new ending all on the same day.
Or we could do the letter campange and demand that they give us our money back for all three game and the five years we spent playing them.
Where to send:
Mailing Address:
BioWare Edmonton
200-4445 Calgary Trail NW
Edmonton AB
Canada T6H 5R7

I don't think Bioware is who we should flood with calls.. it should be EA.. and all their main offices are in California

I don't think we should flood either with calls or emails. We need to do this in a civil way or we will get no where. We cannot Hold the Line if we send troops into the battlefield. We would only end up weakening our defense.

[vigna]

I still think they made the ending for the movie not for the game. then had to try to shoehorn it in...because it didn't work, but they liked it--for a movie.

[seventh_sorrow]

With news pieces like CNN and Forbes going around, it's nice to see our voices getting heard

but it also means retailers are hearing us too ME3 fell $20 in Canada

[Reidbynature]

Skirata129 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

CNN Link Below

http://www.cnn.com/v...ame-reviews.cnn

Mass Effect portion starts at the 4 min mark

I'm pretty sure they quoted my poll, since mine is the only one with an 89% statistic.

I MADE NATIONAL NEWS!

You should be proud.  I had to get caught on Crimewatch before that happened to me. 

[Skirata129]

Jacobcus wrote...

I don't think we should flood either with calls or emails. We need to do this in a civil way or we will get no where. We cannot Hold the Line if we send troops into the battlefield. We would only end up weakening our defense.

But the best defense is a good offense.

[oh_saki]

Kileyan wrote...

Sylvanfeather wrote...

From a PR stance would it really be more harmful to provide an insiders look, than to say nothing?

We don't know how this ending ended up happening. But during the major release sales period you can't really expect them to come forward and say any of the following:

-we gambled on this ending and didn't expect this backlash. This is as close as you will get from them "it was our artistic vision", we are sorry CERTAIN fans are outraged but some GREAT fans like our ending. THis game is very polarizing!

-we ran out of time and money, we had to go with this ending since it was low on computer animation and voice acting costs, less variables cheaper to do

-we honeslty had no clue how to end the game, god child Deus Ex was all we had left

-we did this on purpose because we wanted to erase this game from existance so it was much easier for our team to produce ME4, without worrying about players previous choices being niggled about in the lore of the far future

I subscribe to the ending sucking because Bioware was more worried about erasing everything so that it was easier to make ME4, than ending the game for the fans.


18 months from now you will get the real answer, right before they announce their new game. They will own up to their mistakes, point by point, promise they have learned their lesson, while saying please buy our new game, we love and listen to our fans!

We'll see how that goes, DA3 will be that game first.

I'll admit, I love DA almost as much as ME, but ME was such an epic.... I really don't see them admitting to their mistakes, like you said, unless they're trying to get us to buy a new game...

I don't know. Honestly, I see BW telling us to deal with it, or giving us a half-a**'d ending, just enough so that most of us will begrudgingly accept it. Maybe it's me just preparing for the worst but hoping for the best.

[c3pu2]

seventh_sorrow wrote...

With news pieces like CNN and Forbes going around, it's nice to see our voices getting heard

but it also means retailers are hearing us too ME3 fell $20 in Canada

lol the guy i told not to buy it at  full price friday must hate himself gamestop guy almost killed me for saying that in front of him though

[wasawsolos]

Reidbynature wrote...

Skirata129 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

CNN Link Below

http://www.cnn.com/v...ame-reviews.cnn

Mass Effect portion starts at the 4 min mark

I'm pretty sure they quoted my poll, since mine is the only one with an 89% statistic.

I MADE NATIONAL NEWS!

You should be proud.  I had to get caught on Crimewatch before that happened to me. 

@reidbynature  LOL.

@Skirata129 That is pretty cool [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/smile.png[/smilie]

Modifié par wasawsolos, 18 mars 2012 - 04:49 .

[Can0fCorn]

I really hope everyone reads this thread! This is the very information that can turn the tide of this 'war'.  Have everyone you know that hate the endings to at least read the opening post! 

In addition to posting your issues with the endings, encourage people to visit this thread! 

[The Divine Avenger]

RiouHotaru wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

@RiouHotaru: I agree fully, the game is splendid. However, the fact (for me) that the ending is so profoundly bad, that it envelops everything else; makes the whole situation pretty clear. Doesn't it?

cyrrant wrote...

We fixate on the last 10 minutes because it retroactively ruined the entire series for us.  I can't even bear the thought of picking up any of the three games. 

And this confuses me more than anything.  Yes, I feel the endings could use a bit more context to it.  But...

Did the lack of impact my decisions had in ME1 ruin the fact the ending boiled down to two choices which the ENTIRE 99% of the game had no bearing on?  No.

Did the lack of choices in the endings of ME2 ruin the game for me with regards to the fact the only "decisions" that mattered were the loyalty missions?  No.

So why then should the endings to ME3 ruin the entire rest of the game, which I argue was even BETTER than the previous two titles?


As a writer, I can see that, were Mass Effect a trilogy of books, and the last 10 minutes were the final pages of the final chapter of the final book, that this would be entirely unsatisfactory.  But Mass Effect isn't a book.  It's a collection of visual, textual, and auditory mediums.

Also, I tend to view the endings from two points:  That of "Shepard's Story" and "The Game Universe".  For Shepard?  The endings were (IMO), definitive and final, and a worthy finish.  This is likely why major publications come out in defense of the endings.  They look at the conclusion from solely the viewpoint of "This is the ending for Shepard."

The fans look (at least as far as I can tell) the setting as well, and I understand the disappoint with a lack of anything conclusive.  But at the same time, looking at it from the view of the company, leaving the fate of the various cultures, of the universe as a whole, makes sense.  After all, hard to work after the finale of your main entries into the franchise if you don't allow for wiggle room.  As a fan, I'm not a huge fan of it, but I can understand it.

Which is why we have things like DLC to add to it.  But the idea of DLC giving a conclusion is a whole 'nother can of worms.

Although you might have finished with your attacks on are movement your insistance at pushing your opinion on us is getting  little tiresome. Maybe for you the series wasn't ruined & I'm happy for you that your able to play the games without feeling angry.

Yes in Mass Effect 1 your choices did'nt directly effect the end of the game but they did effect the baseis for the 2, the choices at the end allthough there was only one did ultimatly lead to 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT endings not 2 of the same ending with minor tweeks like with ME3.

The fact that all the endings of 3 were basicly the same ending & they were all bitter & depressing has left us thinking well if this is what we invested 200+ hours for then I really can't be bothered with this game. After all the hardship & choices we've made, all the expiriances Shepared has been through in the past 3 games Shep has more than earned the right to retire with his/her LI. They don't have to make all the endins happy but having the option to work towards it needs to be put in there.

You are entitled to your opinion as everyone has been saying & we disagree with it so just respect the fact that we don't agree with it & move on. It has been made more than obvious that you are in the pro ending group & thats fine, so plaese stop trying to force you opinion on us because we will never agree.

[Gigaheart]

Promchek wrote...

news from german front (oh my this sounded kinda weird o0 ). The poll on gamestar.de

Gamestar Poll

50,5% this end destroys whole serie
9,5% i am dissapointed
5,6% was ok, could be better
6,7% different then expected, but still good
3,6% very good, exactly wat i've hoped for.

i think it's very clear picture.

Aaand 24.1% think that..? =) Just wandering.

Modifié par Gigaheart, 18 mars 2012 - 04:48 .

[Jacobcus]

Skirata129 wrote...

Jacobcus wrote...

I don't think we should flood either with calls or emails. We need to do this in a civil way or we will get no where. We cannot Hold the Line if we send troops into the battlefield. We would only end up weakening our defense.

But the best defense is a good offense.

Ah true, but we are not on the defensive, we have taken our fight directly to Bioware. The best offense is a good defense, it is best to set up a forward base outside your enemies to keep pressure and hold the line.

[Zulmoka531]

Wow, just watched that CNN clip. It may have only been the video game snippet of the show, and about a minute at that, but getting on there is actually a pretty big thing.

[Kilshrek]

Coming back to say again, everyone should read the first post and familiarise themselves with the little tactics that will be employed against us. Subtle derailments are as insidious as indoctrinations.

Remember, while we may all want different things out of the endings, we have a common theme, we want the ending that Shepard's story deserves. No obfuscation, no clever scenes implying this or that. Don't accept a candy floss ending, it only looks impressive, but it's pitifully poor on actual content.

When another falters, we pick them up. Nobody gets left behind, We hold the line.

Modifié par Kilshrek, 18 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[TurambarEA]

Have just caught up with the posts I missed yesterday. Very good collating by the OP and thanks to atghunter and others for continuing to contribute such valuable insights. I wonder, if perhaps one of the more motivated amongst us (with a knack for plain, concise drafting) could put some of these concepts being discussed into a more tangible form?

E.g.:
1. A concise, polite, objective list of all the problems we currently have with the ending. So that it's clear what we stand for.

2. An addendum or replacement (banish the thought!) to 'hold the line' - something that is more 'on-message' and thus hammers home our position time and again. Need the PR/Marketing folks amongst you.

In a related matter, I was wondering if there was some other way to organise better - to avoid being 'divided and conquered' by the better equipped EA publicity/marketing machine. There's clearly some very smart Mass Effect fans here and some with some valuable life/professional experience. Is it worth trying to get a few heads together and form some kind of pseudo-leadership or spokesperson group? If we can get all of the above happening - focus this ragged group into a tight, on-message army of Bioware fans, then we're going to be in a much better position going forward and we're going to be that much harder to ignore.

To that end, I would like to throw all the names of people in the OP forward. If they don't want to be 'leaders', sure, that's fine - but perhaps they could get together on MSN or something of the sort, to flesh out some of the concepts they've talked about - drafting a unified message, etc.? If they can do that initially, and then throw it back to us on the forums here for comment then I'm sure we can make some great strides.

If they DO want to accept that role as leaders, then importantly, when we end up acting exactly how EA wants us to act (fighting amongst ourselves, accepting faux olive branches) we have people to look to set us straight, encourage us, stop us from faltering, show us a path forward, etc.

The sort of almost single-minded cooperation I've witnessed in this movement is unprecedented. Even as we are, I've never seen this many fans mobilised, motivated and on-message. I have moderated for Infinity Ward for a few years now and have seen countless examples of the sort of mistakes that atghunter and the others have alluded to - gamers might have a very good point that 'matchmaking is sub-par' or 'the spawn system is far from optimal' BUT that criticism usually comes across as 'fix your [expletive] game, you guys are lazy, now point me in the direction of the DLC you're selling'. We're definitely not that, we've shown that we're better than that, but I fear the longer we go without consolidating our position, the more people we'll lose to apathy (stop caring about the issue) or despair (start getting angry and hinder our campaign).

The short of it: we need to consolidate our movement while we're still flush with numbers, I believe we need leaders.

[Ghostano]

If they did "fix" the ending how would it work for people that did not play hooked up online? I did not start playing xbox live till a couple years ago so all my game saves are offline. There is still the chance people do not go online to play a "single player rpg". So if they are not happy with the ending and they "fix" it are they just SOL and have to buy a all new copy? For me the ending felt like they were just trying to be to cleaver. I did not like the second one but I had even started to think about playing through ME2 with my orginal saves because the 3rd one was fun for me. I just thought after the ending why did I waste my time playing these games? Why did I buy a new 360 system and transfer my saves for this?

People can mock me I have been through it before.Reminds me of the CU and NGE changes SOE did to SWG. I still remeber the people on G4 mocking people like me not happy. Unlike then I can not unsubscribe like then. I can not unbuy these games. I understand they wanted to move forward but I knew this was the end of Sharpards story they did not have to give him such a crappy ending. It is sad when the Warden from DA gets a better ending and we only played with them for one game.

If they "fix" the ending can it really unring the bell of getting the ending we have now? I hope I got close the the topic it is late and I have not been on these forums in awhile. I learned from SOE before and EA/Bioware actions of late I am no longer the customer they want. How can you have a game with stright forward results from your actions have such a bland ending. I auctally thought I had blacked out and put in Dues Ex Human Revolution in. If I had known that was the type ending Mass Effect 3 would use I would have never bought the game. That is what I liked about Bioware's games real endings not vague endings. This was the end of Shapard's story they could have kept going with new games.

I am sorry I know it will change nothing but figured I would type something. I heard they gave us this ending because the orginal one was leaked. I hope that is wrong because that sounds childish to me. Then again reading about something and seeing it are 2 different things for me. Though it does explain the "we will not show you pictures of all the endings" in the game guide you can buy in stores. Kindy a waste of paper to have 16 pictures of the same thing. /jk

As much as I would like to see a "fix" I have to say safe bet they will not. I have seen this before while no were the same as a what SOE did if they refused to even try and work with there fan base I doubt EA will either.

ET game almost killed video game and EA doing everything in it's power to finsh the job ./jk

[Skybree]

Holding the Line

[Flamewielder]

I have money and an IPad... give me an ending that makes buying Infiltrator worth it.

Do the math, Bioware!

[c3pu2]

TurambarEA wrote...

Have just caught up with the posts I missed yesterday. Very good collating by the OP and thanks to atghunter and others for continuing to contribute such valuable insights. I wonder, if perhaps one of the more motivated amongst us (with a knack for plain, concise drafting) could put some of these concepts being discussed into a more tangible form?

E.g.:
1. A concise, polite, objective list of all the problems we currently have with the ending. So that it's clear what we stand for.

2. An addendum or replacement (banish the thought!) to 'hold the line' - something that is more 'on-message' and thus hammers home our position time and again. Need the PR/Marketing folks amongst you.

In a related matter, I was wondering if there was some other way to organise better - to avoid being 'divided and conquered' by the better equipped EA publicity/marketing machine. There's clearly some very smart Mass Effect fans here and some with some valuable life/professional experience. Is it worth trying to get a few heads together and form some kind of pseudo-leadership or spokesperson group? If we can get all of the above happening - focus this ragged group into a tight, on-message army of Bioware fans, then we're going to be in a much better position going forward and we're going to be that much harder to ignore.

To that end, I would like to throw all the names of people in the OP forward. If they don't want to be 'leaders', sure, that's fine - but perhaps they could get together on MSN or something of the sort, to flesh out some of the concepts they've talked about - drafting a unified message, etc.? If they can do that initially, and then throw it back to us on the forums here for comment then I'm sure we can make some great strides.

If they DO want to accept that role as leaders, then importantly, when we end up acting exactly how EA wants us to act (fighting amongst ourselves, accepting faux olive branches) we have people to look to set us straight, encourage us, stop us from faltering, show us a path forward, etc.

The sort of almost single-minded cooperation I've witnessed in this movement is unprecedented. Even as we are, I've never seen this many fans mobilised, motivated and on-message. I have moderated for Infinity Ward for a few years now and have seen countless examples of the sort of mistakes that atghunter and the others have alluded to - gamers might have a very good point that 'matchmaking is sub-par' or 'the spawn system is far from optimal' BUT that criticism usually comes across as 'fix your [expletive] game, you guys are lazy, now point me in the direction of the DLC you're selling'. We're definitely not that, we've shown that we're better than that, but I fear the longer we go without consolidating our position, the more people we'll lose to apathy (stop caring about the issue) or despair (start getting angry and hinder our campaign).

The short of it: we need to consolidate our movement while we're still flush with numbers, I believe we need leaders.

leaders is not a good idea at least not official ones cause they would be to easy to target