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[cyrrant]

Cobretti ftw wrote...

Any news? Has something changed at all?

If we get any news this weekend it will be a surprise to me.  Don't expect anything until Monday.  When 3/19 rolls around, I expect you here with the rest of us, unleashing (civil, well-thought out) hell.

Hold the Line

[Sinnick03]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

So I have to admit I was a bit put off by some of the militant tone put forward in this thread at first, but since business is war (in a way) I guess it makes sense. What I don't understand is some of the accusations that BioWare lied to their fans and consumers. Sure, I get that the endings were bad, I'm still in shock myself, but they did not outright lie about what they were going to deliver. We received multiple choices (poorly explained and awkwardly similar, perhaps) and Shepard ended up saving Earth. Beyond that, I don't think it's wise to condemn BioWare for lying or to make it one of the rallying points of the Retake ME cause.

Other than that, well, I never thought I'd say this, but... Hold the Line?

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the
endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into
account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a
lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game
endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C."


Casey Hudson on Mass effect 3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

[refuse81]

I'm happy that we finally got a comment go bioware!

Modifié par refuse81, 18 mars 2012 - 05:59 .

[cyrrant]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

So I have to admit I was a bit put off by some of the militant tone put forward in this thread at first, but since business is war (in a way) I guess it makes sense. What I don't understand is some of the accusations that BioWare lied to their fans and consumers. Sure, I get that the endings were bad, I'm still in shock myself, but they did not outright lie about what they were going to deliver. We received multiple choices (poorly explained and awkwardly similar, perhaps) and Shepard ended up saving Earth. Beyond that, I don't think it's wise to condemn BioWare for lying or to make it one of the rallying points of the Retake ME cause.

Other than that, well, I never thought I'd say this, but... Hold the Line?

The lying deal comes from developer comments before the game was released.  I don't have access to them here, but a quick perusal of the forums will turn them up for you, they're REALLY popular quotes.  If you're willing to stick around for a bit, I think you'll find that we're a civil bunch, and that the militant overtones are simply a nice (and game-appropriate) way to rally our cause.  I'm sure not going marching off with my pitchfork and torch...yet.

Hold the Line

EDIT: Dude quoted one of the "lies" above me.

Modifié par cyrrant, 18 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[cjmarsh725]

Sinnick03 wrote...

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the
endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into
account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a
lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game
endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C."


Casey Hudson on Mass effect 3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

Yeah, I've seen that quote, and I admit it does look awful. But technically, there are the 16 or 17 endings and the different ways for your various squadmates to die throughout the game. I know it's a weak excuse but I still don't think the false advertising argument would hold up (though I know it sure comes close).

[thoreauscabin]

Deteramot wrote...

Aryn2382 wrote...

I can't believe some of you are happy about damaging a game just because of an ending, when the rest of the game is downright enjoyable. Already been replaying it myself. *waits for the 'you're so wrong' vitriol..*

In my opinion, the reason the ending is so upsetting is because the rest of the game is so good. I don't think I've seen a single person saying the entire game sucked. Just that the ending sucked, and the ending sucked a lot of enjoyment out of the rest of the game.

This. Absolutely. For the most part the game is good up until the ending. Combat and weapon customization is great. There's some good, catchy music. The skills and tech trees feel more fleshed out.

But the ending is just so damn awful. It completely ruins the entire game and series. And a lot of the plot points feel rushed. I'm not going to get into too many specifics, but the Jack romance, for example. A fade out dance scene and a boring phone call before the final mission? Really?

Keep voicing your disatisfaction, people. And stop playing the game. Tell everyone you know who's considering buying it not to bother because the ending is so bad. And getting the perspective of that old PR guy is very interesting. His posts are definitely worth reading.

Hold the line.

Modifié par thoreauscabin, 18 mars 2012 - 06:04 .

[Sinnick03]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the
endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into
account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a
lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game
endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C."


Casey Hudson on Mass effect 3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

Yeah, I've seen that quote, and I admit it does look awful. But technically, there are the 16 or 17 endings and the different ways for your various squadmates to die throughout the game. I know it's a weak excuse but I still don't think the false advertising argument would hold up (though I know it sure comes close).

There are many ways for the majority of the game to play out.  I have no problem with that, I loved the game up till the very end.  But you must admit, A, B, or C describes the very end perfectly.

[aznsoisauce]

There are sixteen different scenarios for the game itself. But if we want to use the word "technically" in regards to the "endings", then there are only six variations.

Modifié par aznsoisauce, 18 mars 2012 - 06:05 .

[cjmarsh725]

cyrrant wrote...


The lying deal comes from developer comments before the game was released.  I don't have access to them here, but a quick perusal of the forums will turn them up for you, they're REALLY popular quotes.  If you're willing to stick around for a bit, I think you'll find that we're a civil bunch, and that the militant overtones are simply a nice (and game-appropriate) way to rally our cause.  I'm sure not going marching off with my pitchfork and torch...yet.

Hold the Line

EDIT: Dude quoted one of the "lies" above me.

Without a doubt this thread has been a constant source of civility and I think it has a very beneficial effect on the BSN as a whole. Also, I think that continued civility is the key to ensuring success with the popular news media as well as keeping mature players around to support the cause. 

[Caz Neerg]

aznsoisauce wrote...

There are sixteen different scenarios for the game itself. But if we want to use the word "technically" in regards to the "endings", then there are only six variations.

And if we want to say "practically," then it's very, very hard to say there are more than 3.  It's entirely fair to think there is only one.

[cjmarsh725]

Sinnick03 wrote...

There are many ways for the majority of the game to play out.  I have no problem with that, I loved the game up till the very end.  But you must admit, A, B, or C describes the very end perfectly.

Yeah, yeah it does. I admit I laugh every time I see that Citadel picture with A, B, and C on it.

[thoreauscabin]

Attention:

Has anyone you know tried to make a new account? My friend made one yesterday, it's been over 24 hours and he still isn't able to post. I wonder if they've disabled letting new people post to help silence the voices of dissatisfied customers.

[Marinemike69]

Hold the line!

[Sinnick03]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

There are many ways for the majority of the game to play out.  I have no problem with that, I loved the game up till the very end.  But you must admit, A, B, or C describes the very end perfectly.

Yeah, yeah it does. I admit I laugh every time I see that Citadel picture with A, B, and C on it.

That one makes me chuckle too, have you seen this one?

http://www.gamefront...ight/me3yodawg/

[Razorsteel]

Sleep time, I will hold the line from my rack. Until tomorrow.

[CoS Sarah Jinstar]

aznsoisauce wrote...

There are sixteen different scenarios for the game itself. But if we want to use the word "technically" in regards to the "endings", then there are only six variations.

And all six are the same with the exception of Earth surviving in 3 and not in the other 3. What further gets me aside from all the choices you make mattering nothing. (Thanks Bioware) Is in their very own codex they say destroying a Mass Relay would be so massive it would destroy the planets in the same system as well, much like what happens in Arrival. So much about the way the handled the ending in 3 just screams out either 1. Rush job or 2. Terrible design. Neither of which are a good thing.

Modifié par CoS Sarah Jinstar, 18 mars 2012 - 06:11 .

[cyrrant]

thoreauscabin wrote...

Attention:

Has anyone you know tried to make a new account? My friend made one yesterday, it's been over 24 hours and he still isn't able to post. I wonder if they've disabled letting new people post to help silence the voices of dissatisfied customers.

He wouldn't be able to post in here unless he's registered his copy of ME3 to his account.  Check on that and get back to us.  If they're choking off our supply lines then we should know.

Hold the Line

[Militarized]

BrotherFluffy wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

If we are a group, we need theme music.

I nominate this.


Hold The Line

I was thinking Take It Back by Miracle of Sound.  He's stated support for the movement before, and I think he might not mind, provided we ask him first.  

Oh that's PERFECT!!!! :O

[cjmarsh725]

Sinnick03 wrote...


That one makes me chuckle too, have you seen this one?

http://www.gamefront...ight/me3yodawg/

Ahh yeah, another one of my favorites. I have to say it's been stuff like that getting me through the days since I beat ME3.

[cyrrant]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...


That one makes me chuckle too, have you seen this one?

http://www.gamefront...ight/me3yodawg/

Ahh yeah, another one of my favorites. I have to say it's been stuff like that getting me through the days since I beat ME3.

Have you discovered the wonders of Marauder Shields yet?

Hold the Line, he would have wanted it that way.

[shephard987]

Signing off for the night.
Need my rest.
While I'm gone,
DO NOT CEASE

Hold the Line

[Sinnick03]

[/quote]

Have you discovered the wonders of Marauder Shields yet?

Hold the Line, he would have wanted it that way.

[/quote]

Hah no, I hadn't seen that yet.  Makes me feel bad that I shot his face apart now.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Just reposting this so some awareness can be raised.

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

 I've come up with a Mission Statement for the Retake ME3 movement, inspired by this thread. Please let me know if you guys feel it accurately reflects your feelings.

We hold grievances with the current ending and EA/BioWare because:

• The game's ending fails to meet what we were promised as consumers.

• The game's ending fails to meet our expectations as fans.

• The response from BioWare needs to change.

• We have jobs, families, responsibilities. We dedicate our time to this cause because we genuinely care about Mass Effect and its story.

• We want to see a product that we, as human beings, as consumers, as fans, and as players can be proud of.

Retake Mass Effect 3 - Hold the line.

You can find the thread here:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10146448/1 
And the poll to cast your vote in support (so we can count how many like or dislike it) here:
http://social.biowar...25/polls/29868/ 

Modifié par ArmyKnifeX, 18 mars 2012 - 06:20 .

[Shaun72]

cjmarsh725 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

"This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the
endings can be a lot more different. At this point we're taking into
account so many decisions that you've made as a player and reflecting a
lot of that stuff. It's not even in any way like the traditional game
endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got
ending A, B, or C."


Casey Hudson on Mass effect 3

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

Yeah, I've seen that quote, and I admit it does look awful. But technically, there are the 16 or 17 endings and the different ways for your various squadmates to die throughout the game. I know it's a weak excuse but I still don't think the false advertising argument would hold up (though I know it sure comes close).

He also said that they wouldn't "pull a Lost" and leave more questions than answers. There is no way to defend that statement now.

[Reptilian Rob]

How much money would you pay to see the look on Bioware/EA right now?