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EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode *UPDATED 3/22/12, 5:28 PM UTC/GMT -4 hours*


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HBC Dresden

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MeldarthX wrote...

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

Does anyone know how the end of game sequence is being received in Japan and such?


If no one has answered this yet - its the same - we got people translating their forums......second day there it was already being called Rent Effect.........don't bother buying it because of the ending.

Pacific fleet is gearing up.  They already know about these forums and stuff on facebook - and they also know how to goto war.......Look with they did with NGE



HOLD THE LINE


I agree the endings need to be redone but statements such as "Rent Effect" is the result of burning the entire game and franchise in the misguided and destructive desire (Illusive Man-ish desire) to change the endings. Kind of like holding a hostage to get things done. Sure, it may work, but there is collateral damage and love lost on both sides. Question is, if the ending is re-done correctly, will BSN try to build the bridge to future costumers they prevented? Or go about their way content with the fact they changed the mindset and actions of a developer at whatever the cost?

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Good morning everyone, I trust the line is being held.

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Vade Katana wrote...

Thread link added to favorites. Gona be keeping an eye on this one.

Keep it up lads and stay civil. Hold the line!


Hooah

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I love this thread! Thanks for keeping it updated, OP! Good financial perspective. Thank you all!

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I'm a very true old fan of Biowaregames from the beginning (BG, NWM, DA), but the series ME is my favorite. I love the ME universe for the captivating story, the possibility of making choices that affect the story, beautifully presented characters, and the ability to build a relationship with them (also romances) and too many more.
ME3 is a game suited to the entire series. Is really exceptional, evocative and powerful and strong sad. Unfortunately only to the last crucial few minutes. The current end puts all our choices to one bag, is illogical, unsatisfactory and nothing explains.
I'd like to complete the ME3 was so epic as the whole saga – it means more strongly differing endings form everyone – from happy end with female/male Shephard living with her/his LI and the rest of friends in rescued galaxy to bad end with dead Shephard and the whole galaxy destroyed with endings beetwen these two. I'd like to have endings which give satisfaction and catharsis after so exceptional story.
I think that ME saga should have truly different endings: happy, heroic and unhappy, with explanations what happened after with Shephard, LI, friends, races, planets. Like Bioware did in DA:O.

Modifié par RobinEJ, 18 mars 2012 - 11:48 .


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In my opinion, until Bioware gives us a definitive answer about what they're going to do about the problem at hand, it would be safe to assume that everything they say is just PR spin. We can't falter every time they try to be nice and distract us. "Oh look shiny! See we care for you!"

Oh but of course, stay civil and continue holding the line!

Modifié par wicked_being, 18 mars 2012 - 11:52 .


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Vade Katana wrote...

Thread link added to favorites. Gona be keeping an eye on this one.

Keep it up lads and stay civil. Hold the line!


Link? I haven't even closed the tab yet. :P

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atghunter wrote...

atghunter,

Everyone knows we're the OPs. It's okay for you to refer to me by my name as opposed to the very inpersonal "someone else" moniker. :)


Done and done. :)  The real problem is my Commodore 64 won't let me page back when I'm typing and I didn't want to mis-spell your name.  Mea Clupa


Sorry if this quote-reply is a bit out of context, I've been sleeping and am just now catching up on what's been said during my night. I just have to get this out:

You are typing all this on a Commodore 64? I am now convinced: you are God, here to grant us our Salvation.

Modifié par FreakyProphet, 18 mars 2012 - 11:58 .


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On a side note, perhaps more people could write in their feedback on how they felt to contact@bioware.com

Keep it simple, keep it civil. The more the merrier.

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As many have said before, the only way EA and Bioware are going to listen is if their profits are impacted.

Going back to the original OP's post atghunter is very insightful with his PR analysis and redknight38's points are what we should all be concentrating on.

I have the greatest respect for the guys at Bioware, I love ME and the ME series, however I feel I have been cheated by the ending.

I am a consumer and I consume, I consume content and spend my hard earned cash on products Bioware and EA produce. EA and Bioware want us to consume as they are a business and they need to make money.

I will be voting with my wallet, I will not be purchasing any MP game "Consumables" with MS points, I will not partake in any community Events.

To get a real point across, what we should do is something like, everyone who wants the end changed, not play ME3 for 1 week from a certain date, say 26th mar to 1st april. The result will be that if enough people boycott playing the game, it will fall off the Xbox live game ranks for the week. This will send a clear message.

Additionally if we all boycott playing ANY EA game for 1 week and boycott BUYING any EA game in store or online this will Really hurt, when the sales drop to Zero, and the games dissappear from the game ranks online, and the revenue stream is in danger, even a small break in revenue can cause the Big investors in EA to take note and see the negative feedback against their greatest franchise and someone who matters in the company will lean and lean hard to get this resolved.

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This is a great thread. As for me, I'm going to believe in Bioware for now. I hope they stand up to EA when it counts. If not, I will NOT buy another Bioware game. That is my right to protest.

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alcatan wrote...

As many have said before, the only way EA and Bioware are going to listen is if their profits are impacted.

Going back to the original OP's post atghunter is very insightful with his PR analysis and redknight38's points are what we should all be concentrating on.

I have the greatest respect for the guys at Bioware, I love ME and the ME series, however I feel I have been cheated by the ending.

I am a consumer and I consume, I consume content and spend my hard earned cash on products Bioware and EA produce. EA and Bioware want us to consume as they are a business and they need to make money.

I will be voting with my wallet, I will not be purchasing any MP game "Consumables" with MS points, I will not partake in any community Events.

To get a real point across, what we should do is something like, everyone who wants the end changed, not play ME3 for 1 week from a certain date, say 26th mar to 1st april. The result will be that if enough people boycott playing the game, it will fall off the Xbox live game ranks for the week. This will send a clear message.

Additionally if we all boycott playing ANY EA game for 1 week and boycott BUYING any EA game in store or online this will Really hurt, when the sales drop to Zero, and the games dissappear from the game ranks online, and the revenue stream is in danger, even a small break in revenue can cause the Big investors in EA to take note and see the negative feedback against their greatest franchise and someone who matters in the company will lean and lean hard to get this resolved.


Yep...if we want to force the issue, we have to hurt their profits. Cause while we may choose red or blue, they're a business, and as a business they're always gonna go for green.

Week long boycott sounds great in theory...the problem is convincing enough people to do it. I was astonished to see how many people who said they support us couldn't even stand to not play multiplayer for the weekend, just because of a little item pack.

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DrowVampyre wrote...

alcatan wrote...

As many have said before, the only way EA and Bioware are going to listen is if their profits are impacted.

Going back to the original OP's post atghunter is very insightful with his PR analysis and redknight38's points are what we should all be concentrating on.

I have the greatest respect for the guys at Bioware, I love ME and the ME series, however I feel I have been cheated by the ending.

I am a consumer and I consume, I consume content and spend my hard earned cash on products Bioware and EA produce. EA and Bioware want us to consume as they are a business and they need to make money.

I will be voting with my wallet, I will not be purchasing any MP game "Consumables" with MS points, I will not partake in any community Events.

To get a real point across, what we should do is something like, everyone who wants the end changed, not play ME3 for 1 week from a certain date, say 26th mar to 1st april. The result will be that if enough people boycott playing the game, it will fall off the Xbox live game ranks for the week. This will send a clear message.

Additionally if we all boycott playing ANY EA game for 1 week and boycott BUYING any EA game in store or online this will Really hurt, when the sales drop to Zero, and the games dissappear from the game ranks online, and the revenue stream is in danger, even a small break in revenue can cause the Big investors in EA to take note and see the negative feedback against their greatest franchise and someone who matters in the company will lean and lean hard to get this resolved.


Yep...if we want to force the issue, we have to hurt their profits. Cause while we may choose red or blue, they're a business, and as a business they're always gonna go for green.

Week long boycott sounds great in theory...the problem is convincing enough people to do it. I was astonished to see how many people who said they support us couldn't even stand to not play multiplayer for the weekend, just because of a little item pack.


Which is exactly why the event was planned.

But, it's not hard to play the game offline. You can play all you want, without accessing EA servers.

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HBC Dresden wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

Does anyone know how the end of game sequence is being received in Japan and such?


If no one has answered this yet - its the same - we got people translating their forums......second day there it was already being called Rent Effect.........don't bother buying it because of the ending.

Pacific fleet is gearing up.  They already know about these forums and stuff on facebook - and they also know how to goto war.......Look with they did with NGE



HOLD THE LINE


I agree the endings need to be redone but statements such as "Rent Effect" is the result of burning the entire game and franchise in the misguided and destructive desire (Illusive Man-ish desire) to change the endings. Kind of like holding a hostage to get things done. Sure, it may work, but there is collateral damage and love lost on both sides. Question is, if the ending is re-done correctly, will BSN try to build the bridge to future costumers they prevented? Or go about their way content with the fact they changed the mindset and actions of a developer at whatever the cost?



I can't say for everyone else but if the ending is re-done correctly I will most certainly speak to those who I spoke warning of the game to. I'd be an word I can't politely use here if I did not.

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I posted this in a separate thread (http://social.biowar.../index/10178052) but seeing how fast the forum is moving I'll just post it here. I can't explains things as well as others have done in great detail, but I still wanted to post the following nonetheless:

50.000 people are not a "vocal minority". I'm referring to the following poll, but there's also the Facebook and Twitter Retake pages and plenty of other polls around:

http://social.biowar...m/633606/polls/

Initial response from the gaming media (*cough*IGN*cough*) tried to discredit  the people that wanted the ending to be changed or wanted new endings to be added to the game by calling them a very "vocal minority" or by
calling them "entitled". I'd just like to say, don't let them fool you. The number might seem insignificant since the game sold in the millions, but what's important is the fact that only 2% of the people that voted liked the ending. If you extrapolate those results, that poll should be downright scary to Bioware. A lot of those people that voted are part of the core fanbase, the ones that buy collector's edition and other ME related merchandise, the ones they can always fall back on to support their product if things don't go as well as they had hoped. Having that
core fanbase so dissatisfied with a certain part of your product like that is a very, very big deal.

Bioware can explain their reasoning behind the endings as much as they want, but they clearly failed to deliver the ending that people were looking for. Casey Hudson can try and explain the ending needed to be bittersweet (or it would have "betrayed" Shepard's decisions) and how they didn't want to reveal all the details to the player or whatnot, but when only 2% of the people are satisfied with the end result then all of that doesn't matter. They've repeated time and time again that ME is a game built together with the fans, that ME is a game where the gamer is actively involved in shaping her/her own storyline. It makes little sense to compare it to a book or TV series or other art forms, as some people have tried to do again in an attempt to isolate or ridicule the people looking for a better ending.

The ones who ultimately feel betrayed are the people playing the game. When people don't like the ending, you don't go telling them "oh but you don't understand". It was supposed to be their story and their Shepard, and if they aren't satisfied with the end result then Bioware should repair that. Simply because they can, and because they want the fans to be satisfied with their purchase and because they want them to buy DLC and other products from them.

So to echo TotalBiscuit's take on the matter, "if this is being entitled, then be as damn entitled as you want". Don't be fooled into thinking you're the minority and don't be fooled into sheepisly falling in line and give up on voicing your opinion. Remain respectful, but don't let up on voicing your opinion. You're so close to setting a precedent here which may change or evolve interactive storytelling in video games as we know it, something which Bioware set out to do in the first place when they created the Mass Effect series. Don't give up on this.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 18 mars 2012 - 12:27 .


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Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Which is exactly why the event was planned.

But, it's not hard to play the game offline. You can play all you want, without accessing EA servers.


Oh, I know. Or if not why it was planned entirely, at the least what it was repurposed into. The sad part was seeing how many people just went along with it, but that's their right. Personally, I'm perfectly willing to boycott it entirely for months if need be, but...we need numbers, and if a minor item pack got that many people to play the event, how many more will lose their resolve if they promise guaranteed extra MP characters or something?

Modifié par DrowVampyre, 18 mars 2012 - 12:21 .


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Bachunk and atghunter, thank you both for your effort and your insight.

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Thanks for the link. Hold the line!

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Ending the trilogy like the way Bioware did is the equvilent of ending Return of the King after Frodo and Sam walk into Mount Doom....

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Well I already posted this in the Operation: Goliath thread but perhaps it'll get more attention here and adding a little bit more to it. Lol @ people that think the whole weekend event is damage control. I guess we gotta follow a new rule
everytime a game does something we don't like, and then ends up having an event, that event is obviously damage control! Although there is a few RARE exceptions that this is the case, but this event just isn't one of them sorry haters. And FYI this event is the FIRST event of more to come it even states it notice the "Welcome to the first N7 challenge weekend"? Keyword being first. It's not just a one time damage control thing. It's something that is just part of the game like every other game that has random events. If so many people weren't so butthurt about the ending this event would just be viewed as a normal part of the game which is what it probably is anyway. But people just decided it was a good time to start a conspiracy theory / flame-a-thon and somehow link the event to it being damage control. And on a final note I love the game the ending included.

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Thank you for keeping this updated. I am checking in every couple of hours for more news. :)

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I just watched the CNN video. Wow, I had no idea it would reach a news channel at all. I wouldn't mind if CNN brought this up again in the next week or so.

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Thank you for everyone who made it to the OP. your analysis and comments have been most informative.

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Hi all.

I just finished the game and though I don’t mind the choices,
seeing as the games had other choices were the victory had some sacrifice or
con to it. The least they could have done is tell or show us what effect the
choice had on the galaxy. What happened to the crew and the other people that
helped on earth? Is the fleet in orbit or did the blast wave kill then all? All
we get at the end is some old fart and his grandchild talking about “the Shepard”
(Like WTH). At least they did not give us an “it was all a dream ending”.

Even the Deus Ex :HR endings gave you some closure with the
voice over at the end.

I can’t believe that this half complete ending is what they
decided to put into the game. All it needed was a text scroll or a voice over.
If they do fix it, it better be a free update like I don’t know a patch maybe.

The rest of the game was so good.  :)
Cheers all and keep holding the line. 

Modifié par JohannRSA, 18 mars 2012 - 12:42 .


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NIce update thanks!