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[musicaleCA]

NightScream42 wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

NightScream42 wrote...

So what exactly bothers you about the ending anyway? From what I took from the ending it paves the way for Mass Effect 4. Being based much further in the future with the child that was with the Stargazer being the new main character of the game. Since correct me if I'm wrong isn't Mass Effect 3 supposed to be Shepards last one? But not generally the end of the series itself?

I don't really see how it does this. Even if the relays didn't explode in a particularly horrifying way, by incinerating the systems they're in, you're still left with an inferred holocaust, and a definite galactic dark age. Just think of what would happen to our society if you smashed every boat, plane, train, and truck, demolishing all the roads and railroads in the process. The economy would collapse in a day. Food would be unavailable within days, a week at the outside in the least densly populated areas. Planets that depended on intergalactic trade to sustain their populations would require mass suicide of portions of the population. Without the mass relays...that'd be an awefully small game universe, by comparison.

It didn't destroy the systems it just destroyed the Mass Relays. And depending when exactly Mass Effect 4 is based timewise who can really say what kind of technology will exist in the next games overall lore and whatnot.
Yes it took away the current way of life but it didn't end it. The way they ended it has many ways it can be viewed on what they could possibly do in 4. If people were smart enough to realize it. It may not be the best ending of a game of all time but it's certainly not the worst of all time either.

Okay, I see what you're getting at. Time can solve most problems, yes. It's still a deus ex machina ending though, and that's just sloppy and lazy writing. If you're going to use something incredibly implausible in your story's universe, you need to introduce the device/mechanism before it's used. The ending has been compared to Deus Ex: HR, but even in that game, the end was at least understandable and made sense, because the AI was already introduced as such, and the evidence to be manipulated/destroyed was also introduced earlier, and hinted at. There wasn't any hinting done for the Godchild...

But, we digress. >.>

[Lichtgestaltt]

Syrellaris wrote...

Dolphin FFetus wrote...

Lichtgestaltt wrote...

I had this question going on in my head for a couple of days now.

Having played WOW extensively in the past, I am much more used to the way Blizzard handles their fan base. Sure that is a mmo and they want to keep subscribers. But Blizzard employees actively stay in touch on the forums in either language. They communicate with their fan/gamers on a daily basis.
Prior to WOW I played the FFXI MMO, and Square never stayed in contact with their gamers.

So I am very convinced if such an outcry would ensure in the new Diablo III, Blizzard would scramble to fix it. And communicate from day one.
Though with the intensive alpha/beta testing they invite their gamers beforehand, it propably would never happen.

Would be interesting to see if I am the only one who expected a quick respond from BW like I am used to from Blizzard.

Am I just naive to think this way or does blizzard really have a different business model?

 Blizzard truly does care about its customer base, has (generally) excellent tech support and developers try their best to listen to the userbase. EA/Bioware tends to fall on the exact opposite of the spectrum. I'm not going to say Blizzard is perfect, but compared to this company they really are. I love Mass Effect, ending aside, and enjoyed Dragon Age, but I can't think of a company that views the opinions of its own consumers so low. I find it upsetting after being spoiled by Blizz and Valve.

Actually far from it in the early days. Blizzard during the development and release of world of warcraft really only listened to there United States players. Leaving the european players in the dark. They created the illusion that patches and changes in the game also came from european players, which later on was debunked and blizzard was faced with some furious backlash.

it was after that they hired more International Community representatives that started doing some communication with the european branch of there game. There tech support at that was also far from ideal as it was mostly fans coughing up solutions and helping others.

Altough, yes they did very much so improve to the point that it is very well done right now.

Thank you for both your answers. It is kind of reassuring to know that companies can change, in regard to
Syrellaris post.
Though if I were in BioWares shoes right now, I would take this as an opportunity to bond with my fans not alienate them.

[MapleJar]

Holding the line!

http://tinyurl.com/6u755o5

Modifié par MapleJar, 18 mars 2012 - 01:52 .

[Cloud Windfoot Omega]

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

imageine the marketing.  if they changed it by using the indictination

then they put out a dlc after thats FREE (i would not buy it god damn, thye owe me a finished product as they promised  it would have an end)

imagine how much hype that would generate   falsifying us into an end that they could take credit for.  if everything that happned turned out to be indoctination  then just think about how awesome it can be.

 if ou chose the red you are free right at the start where you rejoin your crew

but if not. you open  to the kid telling you you did a good job and you are now a part of the system or something.  but there are still problems, control system is not working  right and you have to  eliminate them for the crucible to work right.

so you have to fight though waves,  but as you do sometihng does not feel right.

it turns out that you  never left earth and are accually  shooting allience.   (possibly your own team)  somewhere though the battle you gain control. 

then the real ending starts

You should toss that up at the suggestion thread.
Just incase.

would they let spoilers?

There are so much ideas up there that you'd never know if they pick your idea and whatnot, that would be something we'd see if they release a DLC to continue the story forward.

where is the tread

can i ask again where the suggestion thread is

[Solotalento]

heres a german vote

www.gamestar.de/index.cfm

What did you think of the ending in Mass Effect 3?

Blue - Very Good, exactly what I was hoping for
Red - different from what I expected, but good
Green - It was okay, but could be better
Orange - Im more disappointed than not
Teal - The ending ruined the whole series for me
Grey - are you crazy, I didnt even finish the game yet

[The Divine Avenger]

Lyons6 wrote...

I have told five of my friends and while they want to buy it have decided to hold off to see if Bioware rectifiy this mess. Until then I will hold the line and not play the SP or MP.

Same here I have also told some of my friends & they too are holding off buying the game, at some point Bioware/EA  will have to see that we will not back down. We are NOT the Vocal Minority or the game would not have come down in price so soon, we will NOT relent we SHALL stand firm we SHALL HOLD THE LINE.

[NightScream42]

musicaleCA wrote...

NightScream42 wrote...

musicaleCA wrote...

NightScream42 wrote...

So what exactly bothers you about the ending anyway? From what I took from the ending it paves the way for Mass Effect 4. Being based much further in the future with the child that was with the Stargazer being the new main character of the game. Since correct me if I'm wrong isn't Mass Effect 3 supposed to be Shepards last one? But not generally the end of the series itself?

I don't really see how it does this. Even if the relays didn't explode in a particularly horrifying way, by incinerating the systems they're in, you're still left with an inferred holocaust, and a definite galactic dark age. Just think of what would happen to our society if you smashed every boat, plane, train, and truck, demolishing all the roads and railroads in the process. The economy would collapse in a day. Food would be unavailable within days, a week at the outside in the least densly populated areas. Planets that depended on intergalactic trade to sustain their populations would require mass suicide of portions of the population. Without the mass relays...that'd be an awefully small game universe, by comparison.

It didn't destroy the systems it just destroyed the Mass Relays. And depending when exactly Mass Effect 4 is based timewise who can really say what kind of technology will exist in the next games overall lore and whatnot.
Yes it took away the current way of life but it didn't end it. The way they ended it has many ways it can be viewed on what they could possibly do in 4. If people were smart enough to realize it. It may not be the best ending of a game of all time but it's certainly not the worst of all time either.

Okay, I see what you're getting at. Time can solve most problems, yes. It's still a deus ex machina ending though, and that's just sloppy and lazy writing. If you're going to use something incredibly implausible in your story's universe, you need to introduce the device/mechanism before it's used. The ending has been compared to Deus Ex: HR, but even in that game, the end was at least understandable and made sense, because the AI was already introduced as such, and the evidence to be manipulated/destroyed was also introduced earlier, and hinted at. There wasn't any hinting done for the Godchild...

But, we digress. >.>

Well Mass Effect 3 still has DLC on the way that could introduce it. But I think it'd be a little strange for them to come up with something so quickly unless of course the technology is learned from the reaper ships themselves if you take the control ending. And I just had a breakthrough on this. The destruction ending choice destroys the reapers thus truely setting everyone back. But with the control ending bam reaper technology. And perhaps the Synthesis ending also grants reaper technology.

Modifié par NightScream42, 18 mars 2012 - 02:02 .

[Relwyn]

Solotalento wrote...

heres a german vote

www.gamestar.de/index.cfm

What did you think of the ending in Mass Effect 3?

Blue - Very Good, exactly what I was hoping for
Red - different from what I expected, but good
Green - It was okay, but could be better
Orange - Im more disappointed than not
Teal - The ending ruined the whole series for me
Grey - are you crazy, I didnt even finish the game yet

Participants: 16502

Again, this is (for Germany alone) a huge sample size, and it's a good chance that many of those in the grey block will end up in the teal/cyan one. The more people complete the game however -the more accurate the polls will be.

Modifié par Relwyn, 18 mars 2012 - 01:58 .

[musicaleCA]

Solotalento wrote...

heres a german vote

www.gamestar.de/index.cfm

What did you think of the ending in Mass Effect 3?

Blue - Very Good, exactly what I was hoping for
Red - different from what I expected, but good
Green - It was okay, but could be better
Orange - Im more disappointed than not
Teal - The ending ruined the whole series for me
Grey - are you crazy, I didnt even finish the game yet

Damn...that's well over half. O.O (I choose not to count the one's who didn't finish, since they aren't in a position to judge.)

More evidence like that and PR spin will get harder and harder for BW

[Fidget6]

Jarrett Lee wrote...

the fan reaction is difficult to watch, after all the hard work basically. 

For what it's worth, I fully support and sympathize with you guys. 

[The Almighty Ali]

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

imageine the marketing.  if they changed it by using the indictination

then they put out a dlc after thats FREE (i would not buy it god damn, thye owe me a finished product as they promised  it would have an end)

imagine how much hype that would generate   falsifying us into an end that they could take credit for.  if everything that happned turned out to be indoctination  then just think about how awesome it can be.

 if ou chose the red you are free right at the start where you rejoin your crew

but if not. you open  to the kid telling you you did a good job and you are now a part of the system or something.  but there are still problems, control system is not working  right and you have to  eliminate them for the crucible to work right.

so you have to fight though waves,  but as you do sometihng does not feel right.

it turns out that you  never left earth and are accually  shooting allience.   (possibly your own team)  somewhere though the battle you gain control. 

then the real ending starts

You should toss that up at the suggestion thread.
Just incase.

would they let spoilers?

There are so much ideas up there that you'd never know if they pick your idea and whatnot, that would be something we'd see if they release a DLC to continue the story forward.

where is the tread

can i ask again where the suggestion thread is

http://social.biowar...ndex/10098213/1

There you go.

[Kilshrek]

Solotalento wrote...

heres a german vote

www.gamestar.de/index.cfm

What did you think of the ending in Mass Effect 3?

Blue - Very Good, exactly what I was hoping for
Red - different from what I expected, but good
Green - It was okay, but could be better
Orange - Im more disappointed than not
Teal - The ending ruined the whole series for me
Grey - are you crazy, I didnt even finish the game yet

Kaputt gave teal away. But it's heartening to see that wherever you go, dislike for the endings are in the majority.

Now, coming back to the thread, we may see a Bioware announcement as early as tomorrow, Monday (19/3 or 3/19 to the Americans), but some seem to think it will be after the month is out.

Either way remember that obfuscation and thread derailment remain very viable ways to get the thread shut down and provoke emotional response, thus further discrediting the movement.

Don't get sucked in, rein others in if you can help it, and hold the line. This can't be said enough times.

[lanep25]

Make your voice heard! Go vote in the polls! Hold the line!

http://social.biowar.../index/10133310

[TheRealMithril]

In any case, if it comes down to money (too expensive to fix) I'll happily chip in to get a fixed ending, as long as they admit mistake. Because I have every understanding that it costs a lot of money. But that is my feelings on the matter.

[Cloud Windfoot Omega]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Cloud Windfoot Omega wrote...

imageine the marketing.  if they changed it by using the indictination

then they put out a dlc after thats FREE (i would not buy it god damn, thye owe me a finished product as they promised  it would have an end)

imagine how much hype that would generate   falsifying us into an end that they could take credit for.  if everything that happned turned out to be indoctination  then just think about how awesome it can be.

 if ou chose the red you are free right at the start where you rejoin your crew

but if not. you open  to the kid telling you you did a good job and you are now a part of the system or something.  but there are still problems, control system is not working  right and you have to  eliminate them for the crucible to work right.

so you have to fight though waves,  but as you do sometihng does not feel right.

it turns out that you  never left earth and are accually  shooting allience.   (possibly your own team)  somewhere though the battle you gain control. 

then the real ending starts

You should toss that up at the suggestion thread.
Just incase.

would they let spoilers?

There are so much ideas up there that you'd never know if they pick your idea and whatnot, that would be something we'd see if they release a DLC to continue the story forward.

where is the tread

can i ask again where the suggestion thread is

http://social.biowar...ndex/10098213/1

There you go.

thankies

[acidic-ph0]

I love your updates This is like the "Cerberus Daily News" for the retake ME3 movement. Thank you very much for updating these posts, they really help bring some drastically needed organization to our cause!

[MB957]

thank you OP.

continuing to hold the line.

[Hicks233]

If/When an ending extension/fix is released they have an opportunity to gain some credibility and goodwill. They've certainly made me wary of future products not to mention any desire to purchase additional content for existing titles.

Say EA were to charge £7.50 or so for it. Giving 10% - 20% of the proceeds to the Childs Play charity would be a fantastic gesture. Worthwhile and would make them more favourably seen. We get an ending that fits the advertising and consumer expectation for the game, a worthwhile charity gets donations and EA/Bioware still make some money. It sets a positive precedent.

[Vanni127]

I just finished page 117 of this megathread. Been reading since yesterday. I put down ME3 the day before yesterday because of information pertaining to the endings being crap. Or to put it another way, "99% of the game is GOTY. Then they went full retard in the last 10 minutes."

LIke most, I'd been enjoying the hell out of the journey. Hell I don't think I'm even 1/3 through the game, to be honest. But I just can't bring myself to finish it because I don't want my experience to be so tarnished. I love this series. SO much so that I refuse to have my hopes crushed by what I've been reading.

So yeah, bit long winded...but I'm here like the rest of you to see what happens. I am with you all, brothers and sisters.

We will Hold the Line!

[ed87]

Relwyn wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

heres a german vote

www.gamestar.de/index.cfm

What did you think of the ending in Mass Effect 3?

Blue - Very Good, exactly what I was hoping for
Red - different from what I expected, but good
Green - It was okay, but could be better
Orange - Im more disappointed than not
Teal - The ending ruined the whole series for me
Grey - are you crazy, I didnt even finish the game yet

Participants: 16502

Again, this is (for Germany alone) a huge sample size, and it's a good chance that many of those in the grey block will end up in the teal/cyan one. The more people complete the game however -the more accurate the polls will be.

I like how they color coded the options haha

[GriffinXP]

Returned my PS3 copy of Mass Effect 3 today.
The Best Buy employee asked if I was returning the game because I was finished with it, or if I was doing it in protest. When I told him that the reason I was finished with it and the reason I was protesting it were one in the same, he just said 'Hold the line' before refunding my money.

Hold the line.

[punkenjunki3]

GriffinXP wrote...

Returned my PS3 copy of Mass Effect 3 today.
The Best Buy employee asked if I was returning the game because I was finished with it, or if I was doing it in protest. When I told him that the reason I was finished with it and the reason I was protesting it were one in the same, he just said 'Hold the line' before refunding my money.

Hold the line.

That is awesome. Too awesome for words.

[cyrrant]

Syrellaris wrote...

Paparob wrote...

TheRealMithril wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

It does not make my point invalid. sorry to inform you about that.  If IP voting was used, you would not be able to vote more then once on the poll. The fact that you can shows the poll does not keep track of individual IP's. 

Take away all the duplicate votings and it would be about perhaps 60 / 40.

Actually it does, because (as I mentioned) other polls in even mainstream medias (that are experienced in making polls) that reflect the same thing.

Also, your final assumption is highly speculative at best.

I heard someone say that if you try to vote more than once in the poll it doesn't register more than once and that its a common BSN issue. I dunno, I haven't been here that long. The G4 poll shows only 3.7% of all polled like the ending. 71.6% hated it, 16.4% hadn't completed it and 8.3% weren''t sure what to think of it. Its not good that only 3.7% polled enjoyed the ending.

Edit: Here is the link, scroll down about its on the right handside. http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/

I am not disputing the fact that other polls say that less people liked the ending or anything. I was just saying that the BSN poll (which a lot of people grab to) is inaccurate .

also in G4TV not the gamer site that has that idiot journalist that created that Ipad app?

I really think the more telling statistic is that there are 50k "ending sucked votes" and more than 35k "likes" on the Facebook page.  It's a little harder to stuff the ballot box on Facebook because that process is more involved, which means that, at the very least, 35k of the 50k votes in that BSN poll are completely valid.  That's a pretty large percentage.

[Lil One]

GriffinXP wrote...

Returned my PS3 copy of Mass Effect 3 today.
The Best Buy employee asked if I was returning the game because I was finished with it, or if I was doing it in protest. When I told him that the reason I was finished with it and the reason I was protesting it were one in the same, he just said 'Hold the line' before refunding my money.

Hold the line.

Thanks for sharing that, made me smile.

Hold the line, for the love of the game.