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[Xellith]

Bioware wont get a penny from me. Never again.

[Spherexius]

As a responsible consumer, I will never, EVER, accept paid DLC as a solution to the complete and utter lack of an ending to a trilogy I've invested a lot of time and money into.

Any and all of the brand loyalty I've had for Bioware _and_ EA through the years will be gone in an instant, and that is not something that will be easy to repair. They should include that in their calculations and see if it still comes out positive.

[Bunzmaster]

They haven't even fixed the face importing problem. Get on it Bioware!!!

I imagine Bioware will need to have some official statement regarding the ending and this whole situation before the PAX East gaming convention. Otherwise, whomever is there from BW will get swarmed and bombarded with questions.

HOLD THE LINE!!

[Hirdas]

I finaly finished the game and for me it was good game up untill you reach the beam. I honestly am so dissapointed and confused about what they try to do there. I want explanations and an ending like normal games have. For me there is no end to the game.

[Peete]

marshkoala wrote...

Where is PAX East?
Please tell me it's somewhere near Nevada!

@Razorsteel
Had the same feeling when I came here thinking I somehow messed up ME3 and wanted help and saw all the uproar....lol

It's in Boston

EDIT it's about as far away from Nevada you can come and still remain in the US.

Modifié par Peete, 18 mars 2012 - 04:08 .

[Peete]

Hirdas wrote...

I finaly finished the game and for me it was good game up untill you reach the beam. I honestly am so dissapointed and confused about what they try to do there. I want explanations and an ending like normal games have. For me there is no end to the game.

Join the fleet.

[marshkoala]

@Peete
Thanks so much for the reply!

I wish I could go!!!!!

[stargatefan1990]

the Shepard story better not continue to Mass Effect 4 Because we were promised it was a Trilogy another mass effect game after or before Shepard? yeah sure but if Mass effect 4 is in the pipeline to continue Shepard's story i am done

[zsom]

cyrrant wrote...
The reaction to DA2 was not this universal, it was also more structural in nature.  Everyone here loves 99% of the game, how it played, and all that, and DLC of the same quality would be welcomed if the endings are fixed.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I respectfully disagree.  For many of us, the entire game and the two previous were ruined by the ending, and we are distraught at the possibility of having to live with the extremely sub-par one we got.  This was a series I was going to hold up to my future kids as the epitome of how video games were "in my day".  I can't do that any more, because of how bad the ending is.

If there are enough of us (and there are), BW/EA will see that an improved ending will greatly benefit themselves and us.  There have even been calls to fix the reviews that were bombed should Bioware fix the endings.  We don't hate them, we just want them to make it right.
...

While DA2 had a group supporting it the other faction had a rage that more than made up for its lack in numbers... If anything it should show you that it doesn't need to be an overwhelming majority inflaming the forums to kill DLCs for everyone.

The problem is that demanding a fix is way easier than delivering one that satisfies the majority. There isn't even a concesus here on the forum about what is expected:
- free DLC vs. for money
- retcon vs. alternative ending
- happy ending vs. sad ending

Even if they decide to create a new ending it will not please everyone. Oh and don't even dream about salvaging the bombed reviews... people are way easier to mobilze for a negative cause than for a positive one. That ship has sailed. Not to mention that good reviews months after the initial release aren't worth the bytes they are stored in.

[joekickass666]

alot of good info on here. The more info I get on the epic failure of the ending of ME3 and what it would take to properly fix it with DLC, the more I realize that this is gonna take alot of time. There is no way to quick fix it.

in it for the long haul

hold the line

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Xellith wrote...

Bioware wont get a penny from me. Never again.

Good. 

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

joekickass666 wrote...

alot of good info on here. The more info I get on the epic failure of the ending of ME3 and what it would take to properly fix it with DLC, the more I realize that this is gonna take alot of time. There is no way to quick fix it.

in it for the long haul

hold the line

Yes remember this people.  All this stuff takes time and if we give up we will be a joke,don't let that happen.  If we don't let they get away with the spin and don't touch anything they or EA make they will give us what they told us we would get in the end.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[The Divine Avenger]

razgriz127 wrote...

We are starting to break through. IGN just added a entry on their wiki about the ME3 ending controversy.

http://www.ign.com/w...3/Controversies

Word is starting to get out there. Keep spreading the word and...

Hold The Line!

Exellent if even IGN is admiting that we have a point then we are doing something right, I'm proud to be a part of this movement we shall HOLD THE LINE

[GholaHalleck]

jmarkows wrote...

Already started doing this, and explaining to people exactly why.  Best analogy I have for people who don't want it spoiled or who have no idea what ME even entails is:

At the end of Lord of the Rings, imagine Frodo throws the One Ring into Mount Doom, and we watch the mountain erupt while he standing on the ledge.  Then, the scene cuts to the Shire, where the other members of the fellowship are waking up, and Gandalf discovers he can no longer use magic.

It's a little rough, but the reactions so far have been universally negative.  I'll take refinements to it if anyone has some ideas.

Hold the line.

Imagine star wars. Imagine a starwars where instead of luke going to bespin in empire, he stays on dagobah and becaomes a full fledged jedi. Imagine that on bespin, han is frozen in carbonite, but that vader figures out liea is his kid and starts grooming her as his appentance. 

Cut to RotJ, imagine liea and luke saber fighting. Luke guts liea and in a rage at having to kill his own sister, palpitine twists him to the dark side as well, and palpitine and Luke chop vader into little pieces.

then Han, somehow out of carbonite, blows up the death star instead of lando, killing luke and palpitine.

Now imagine, after all that. that they decided to use the orginal Ewok Dance ending, with luke, leia and han. Toss in the ghost of yoda piggy backing on the ghost of palpitine for good measure.

that's what it's like.

Hold the Line.

Modifié par GholaHalleck, 18 mars 2012 - 04:13 .

[cyrrant]

zsom wrote...
While DA2 had a group supporting it the other faction had a rage that more than made up for its lack in numbers... If anything it should show you that it doesn't need to be an overwhelming majority inflaming the forums to kill DLCs for everyone.

The problem is that demanding a fix is way easier than delivering one that satisfies the majority. There isn't even a concesus here on the forum about what is expected:
- free DLC vs. for money
- retcon vs. alternative ending
- happy ending vs. sad ending

Even if they decide to create a new ending it will not please everyone. Oh and don't even dream about salvaging the bombed reviews... people are way easier to mobilze for a negative cause than for a positive one. That ship has sailed. Not to mention that good reviews months after the initial release aren't worth the bytes they are stored in.

I fail to see what you're suggesting we do, then?  ANY ending would be better than what is in there right now, in my opinion.

[Optimus J]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

joekickass666 wrote...

alot of good info on here. The more info I get on the epic failure of the ending of ME3 and what it would take to properly fix it with DLC, the more I realize that this is gonna take alot of time. There is no way to quick fix it.

in it for the long haul

hold the line

Yes remember this people.  All this stuff takes time and if we give up we will be a joke,don't let that happen.  If we don't let they get away with the spin and don't touch anything they or EA make they will give us what they told us we would get in the end.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Not going anywhere. Can leave this for some days, but will be back at every crappy move that isn't what is right, to point out my opinion.

[Jamie9]

cyrrant wrote...

zsom wrote...
While DA2 had a group supporting it the other faction had a rage that more than made up for its lack in numbers... If anything it should show you that it doesn't need to be an overwhelming majority inflaming the forums to kill DLCs for everyone.

The problem is that demanding a fix is way easier than delivering one that satisfies the majority. There isn't even a concesus here on the forum about what is expected:
- free DLC vs. for money
- retcon vs. alternative ending
- happy ending vs. sad ending

Even if they decide to create a new ending it will not please everyone. Oh and don't even dream about salvaging the bombed reviews... people are way easier to mobilze for a negative cause than for a positive one. That ship has sailed. Not to mention that good reviews months after the initial release aren't worth the bytes they are stored in.

I fail to see what you're suggesting we do, then?  ANY ending would be better than what is in there right now, in my opinion.

Free DLC if not much effort is put in.

Paid DLC if effort is put in.

Both retcon and alternate endings. Both happy and sad. I want to have my choices dictate if Shepard gets a good ending.

[aliengmr1]

After thinking about what I will and won't pay for, I have come to the conclusion that:

1) I will pay for a complete overhaul of the ending. Different mission structure, additional "new" dialog, etc.

2) I will NOT pay for a "director's cut" style quick fix. Adding cut content, fixing prerendered videos,etc.

[Wearyanna]

Damage controll today for a company in tubulence is always about being one step ahead, being proactive to steer the malcontent in a direction of your choice. Not taking the weekend of or just stay silent, you need to be out there making statements and calming the situation every way you can, using coorporate blogs, Twitter, Facebook and of course if they have something like BSN. That takes effort, that takes a lot of people working weekends and do over time for as long as its needed.

BW has failed in every attempt to do that, relying on old stategies made for a less interactive information climate. This will be shown in brand surveys, fiscal reports etc over time, unless they offer something spectacular to the players something that will make the fans/players/gamers forget about or even forgive the ending fail. That is called saving or managing the brand before you loose to much.

Mark my word time is running out, the media is changing from a coorporate stance to a player stance by the hour, support for EA/BW is getting thinner, they don't want that.
I do feel sad, because a lot of people should be very proud of the work they did within the Mass Effect franchise, for them I take my hat off! Because of this (rightful) debacle they will get no chance to reap the fruits of their hard work to the full extent. That lies as far as I know on Mac Walters and those who didn't stop this last minute idea of a "spectacular" ending.

Wearyanna out

[Michotic]

zsom wrote...
While DA2 had a group supporting it the other faction had a rage that more than made up for its lack in numbers... If anything it should show you that it doesn't need to be an overwhelming majority inflaming the forums to kill DLCs for everyone.

The problem is that demanding a fix is way easier than delivering one that satisfies the majority. There isn't even a concesus here on the forum about what is expected:
- free DLC vs. for money
- retcon vs. alternative ending
- happy ending vs. sad ending

Even if they decide to create a new ending it will not please everyone. Oh and don't even dream about salvaging the bombed reviews... people are way easier to mobilze for a negative cause than for a positive one. That ship has sailed. Not to mention that good reviews months after the initial release aren't worth the bytes they are stored in.

Also note, this game has been out for less than two weeks in some areas, and it was only just released in other parts of the globe. I have my opnions one what I'd like to see, but really, those aren't important now. What IS important is everyone that is dissastisfied with Mass Effect 3 to come together and let BioWare and EA know it.

[cardboardarmor]

redknight38 wrote...

2) Repeat the message as often as you can. Self-explanatory. However, it can't just be "I hate the ending" or "hold the line." You'll have to keep repeating your simple, bullet-pointed list of complaints. Groups like the IRA don't repeat long treatises (as I've been seeing on the boards) on their complaints. Nobody will read that. Keep it simple and keep it consistent. 

Guys the slogan is cool and all but tells me nothing about the 'cause' and does everything to paint it as being populated by meme-spouting bandwagon-jumping johnny-come-latelys who all showed up to the protest because they care just enough to be seen like they care.

Can something be done about this?

[TuringPoint]

In some sense, by taking the stance that everything happening or not happening is related to money and the bottom line, you are encouraging that basic mindset.

In that case... you lose all my sympathy.

[McAllyster]

Next stage of PR diversion:

http://i44.tinypic.com/25u0dbc.jpg

So Bioware started advertise: "look, how many multiplayer games in ME3".

[cyrrant]

cardboardarmor wrote...

redknight38 wrote...

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">2) ]Repeat the message[/color][color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]as often as you can[/color]. Self-explanatory. However, it can't just be "I hate the ending" or "hold the line." You'll have to keep repeating your simple, bullet-pointed list of complaints. Groups like the IRA don't repeat long treatises (as I've been seeing on the boards) on their complaints. Nobody will read that. Keep it simple and keep it consistent. 

Guys the slogan is cool and all but tells me nothing about the 'cause' and does everything to paint it as being populated by meme-spouting bandwagon-jumping johnny-come-latelys who all showed up to the protest because they care just enough to be seen like they care.

Can something be done about this?

Come up with some bullet points.  We need a quick slogan as something people can latch on to, but having our greivances listed out in a concise way that can be presented to the devs is not a bad idea.  Personally I just want them to look back on the other two games they made in the same series and then extrapolate.

[Jamie9]

- Our choices should matter
- The ending is unsatisfactory
- We will support BioWare in an ending DLC

Something like this? End every post with bullet points along these statements? Somebody should make an "official" list.