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[Neo_Bahamut_19]

Several things need to happen for me to ever buy another Bioware product:

1: Free DLC that retcons the ending or makes new options available.
2: Allow people to continue doing missions post ending like in the previous game if they did indeed survive.
3: Give the From Ashes DLC to everyone for free, and make quality (not some stupid armor and weapons only crap) to replace the From Ashes DLC for those that purchased it or got it with the collectors edition.


Why? The ending was lackluster to say the least. So bad in fact that I refuse to finish my game that I'm about 60% of the way through due to the fact that the endings are so horrid that I cannot bear to witness them. I've never before, in my entire life, had the ending to something EVER deter me from finishing something. It's always been a goal to get to the ending, even more so when I know what's to come and I like it. Not only did you screw up one ending either, you managed to screw up multiple endings. They were all bad.

About From Ashes... That was a disgrace. He could be unlocked in the base files by changing a line of code in the default game files. He functioned properly and had dialog. What the hell did we even download? Don't even lie Bioware, because if you do, you'll only dig a deeper hole. Additionally, he was the absolute most important character in the series other than Shepard by far. In one game he managed to impact the lore of the entire universe than anyone else stretched across all three games besides Shepard. He also had more, at least from what I could tell, dialog than anyone else in the crew. That includes both non-mission and mission dialog. How do I know this? I replayed plenty of the missions with other squad mates in order to hear what they had to say out of curiosity. He consistently said more than anyone else, regardless of who he was paired with. He was blatantly more flushed out than any of the other squad mates in the game. There is no way in hell that he was not in development long before release. Oh, and lets not forget the "leaked concept art" from how long ago? Spring/beginning of summer last year? Well within the development window, even if you include the "3 month release window" BS that you guys go on and on about. The only reason I got this guy is because I got the game half off with the Battlefield 3 promotion. The point still stands though, you cut prime content out of the game in order to sell it as day 1 DLC and a hook to attempt to reel more people into buying your Collectors Edition. It's a disgusting practice that I'd expect of the likes of Activision published games, but not you... Until now.

Bioware, you disgust me.

Modifié par Neo_Bahamut_19, 18 mars 2012 - 04:30 .

[zsom]

BrotherFluffy wrote...
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But with the current endings, the only thing you can really speculate about is: How long do you think it will be before the Krogan on Earth just say "screw it" and start eating everybody?

I say two weeks.  

Hah but there were no krogans on Earth before the final battle, so it's safe to assume that they were all in operation Hammer (or battalion or whatever). But Hammer was decimated in the assault on the reaper so I don't think there are a lot of krogans left. Maybe a hundred but not a thousand. And there are millions of humans still alive... you didn't see a single non-english soldier in the camp so these were probably just the UK forces.

The turians and the quarians will probably starve in a few months, I don't think the volus or the elcor survived in large numbers, so that leaves the asari and the humans to settle Earth.

[Hsien]

I reckon the Rachni will eat everyone in the end.......

[Pheonix57]

tl;dr

[Enichan]

Still not sure why anyone thinks any of the fleets in orbit survives when the shockwave clearly takes apart the Normandy, even at the edge of the blast. Which is another thing that bugs me, Shepard taking out the allied fleets.

[GholaHalleck]

cardboardarmor wrote...

redknight38 wrote...

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">2) ]Repeat the message[/color][color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]as often as you can[/color]. Self-explanatory. However, it can't just be "I hate the ending" or "hold the line." You'll have to keep repeating your simple, bullet-pointed list of complaints. Groups like the IRA don't repeat long treatises (as I've been seeing on the boards) on their complaints. Nobody will read that. Keep it simple and keep it consistent. 

Guys the slogan is cool and all but tells me nothing about the 'cause' and does everything to paint it as being populated by meme-spouting bandwagon-jumping johnny-come-latelys who all showed up to the protest because they care just enough to be seen like they care.

Can something be done about this?

1. We were promised our choices would affect the ending.

2. It has been proven beyond all doubt that this is a fabrication. One ending tweeked in tiny ways 16 times does not equal 16 distinct endings.

3. Until we are given those endings, in a suitible fashion, they will not recieve one red cent from us.  

Hold the Line.

Modifié par GholaHalleck, 18 mars 2012 - 04:37 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

GholaHalleck wrote...

cardboardarmor wrote...

redknight38 wrote...

[color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">2) ]Repeat the message[/color][color=rgb(170, 170, 170)"> ]as often as you can[/color]. Self-explanatory. However, it can't just be "I hate the ending" or "hold the line." You'll have to keep repeating your simple, bullet-pointed list of complaints. Groups like the IRA don't repeat long treatises (as I've been seeing on the boards) on their complaints. Nobody will read that. Keep it simple and keep it consistent. 

Guys the slogan is cool and all but tells me nothing about the 'cause' and does everything to paint it as being populated by meme-spouting bandwagon-jumping johnny-come-latelys who all showed up to the protest because they care just enough to be seen like they care.

Can something be done about this?

1. We were promised our choices would affect the ending.

2. It has been proven beyond all doubt that this is a fabrication. One ending tweeked in tiny ways 16 times does not equal 16 distinct endings.

3. Until we are given those endings, in a suitible fashion, they will not recieve one red cent from us.  

Yeah that says it all.

Hpld the line for as long as it takes people.

[ed87]

McAllyster wrote...

Next stage of PR diversion:

http://i44.tinypic.com/25u0dbc.jpg

So Bioware started advertise: "look, how many multiplayer games in ME3".

Wow, that didnt take long

[Michotic]

GholaHalleck wrote...

1. We were promised our choices would affect the ending.

2. It has been proven beyond all doubt that this is a fabrication. One ending tweeked in tiny ways 16 times does not equal 16 distinct endings.

3. Until we are given those endings, in a suitible fashion, they will not recieve one red cent from us.  

This. If we give BioWare more money, we are saying it's alright to use these tactics. Set expectations they have no intention of living up to, as long as they get our money.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

ed87 wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Next stage of PR diversion:

http://i44.tinypic.com/25u0dbc.jpg

So Bioware started advertise: "look, how many multiplayer games in ME3".

Wow, that didnt take long

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Don't let them get away with it.  In a month or two most multiplayer shooter fans will move on to the enxt big online game and if they want money they will need us.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[cardboardarmor]

Jamie9 wrote...

- Our choices should matter
- The ending is unsatisfactory
- We will support BioWare in an ending DLC

Something like this? End every post with bullet points along these statements? Somebody should make an "official" list.

'Our choices should matter' is a good tagline, I believe. Better yet, meld both (green space magic! ): "Our choices should matter: hold the line".  It invites a curious passer-by to ask questions like 'what choices are being asked to matter?' 'who are these people asking for enfranchisement and why are they so determined?'  and perhaps the most important question to be asked in regards to anything:

'Why?'

The problem inherent in distilling the laundry list of issues the fanbase have with the endings is, as with redknight's reference to the IRA, that it will be divisive.  Everyone came here with a core idea but it was colored and subtly twisted by our own personal hang-ups and wants: when you don't represent someone's particulars, they'll feel marginalized and disconnected from the whole.

Why did we all show up here to harp about what it is we're harping about?  What, in the end, most closely fits that core idea before we all attached our own wants to it?  And can we ultimately set aside those wants in order to drive home that core concept?

[cyrrant]

This is a great blog post, and I normally don't put any real stock in them except as extra coverage that we need, but in this case, he hits the nail on the head.

A little excerpt:

"The critical mistake BioWare made was to confuse their fans’ investment in the characters with interest in the fate of the universe as a whole. The ending is supposed to be hopeful — the Reapers are no longer a threat, and organic life can flourish. But by attempting to wrap up the story arcs before the final battle, and then sketching out the conclusion with broad strokes in which everyone’s fate is left unresolved, they’ve betrayed a colossal misunderstanding of how the audience was engaged with the story."

cruiseelroy.net/2012/03/the-ending/


Hold the Line

Modifié par cyrrant, 18 mars 2012 - 04:44 .

[beccathelion]

God, Forbes is absolutely carrying our torch up the mountain. LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[abadomen]

Just wanted to add my voice that I am unhappy with the ending, but I am willing to pay for any DLC that changes said ending.

[cyrrant]

cardboardarmor wrote...
'Our choices should matter' is a good tagline, I believe. Better yet, meld both (green space magic! ): "Our choices should matter: hold the line".  It invites a curious passer-by to ask questions like 'what choices are being asked to matter?' 'who are these people asking for enfranchisement and why are they so determined?'  and perhaps the most important question to be asked in regards to anything:

I like this.  Are there other variations you might have in mind?  I always type "Hold the Line" at the end of all my posts just because it means more to me that way than if it's just passively in my signature.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Hold the line for as long as it takes people and we will win.

[Olin011]

In brief - we want a proper closure that does justice to the trilogy.

My bullet points (too long, but we can try to make them more concise):

- want to know what happened to my squadmates (even in the form of text). There should be vaious outcomes depending on Shepard's previous choices / squadmate's loyalty / who we took with us to the final mission.
- want the Normandy esacping through relay scene explained / deleted as it makes no sense - is not a poper consequence of the previous actions of Shepard and her/his squdmates. Remember the last time we saw them they were all (apart from Joker) fightinig on the streets of London.
- want an alternative endings to the "3 colors scene" or want the existing choices to be elaborated upon in the form of text / additional cutscenes.
- want text / cutscenes showing the situation on earth including the members of other speices that were left there
- more variety of outcomes denpending on the War Assets collected (so the SP choices really matter).

[x-Killision-X]

       How is it that Damage Control with PR is never, "lets fix this". It's alway "how do we get out of the mess WE got ourselves in, while blaming others". This entire mess could/would be avoided if Bioware held true to their word and "Did right by their fans", and not just release NO ANSWER responses. I gotta assume that Bioware, EA, and their PR department know how dangerous word of mouth can be and it's getting worse with time an non-answers. Whenever ME3 comes up in a conversation, i don't hear praise about the game like I did before it's release. This bad press is like cancer, you catch the problem early and you can make it go away, you wait to long and you are screwed. You can release as many scripted PR responses you want, because I will always listen to user/customer feedback. Why, because they are not on your payroll, PR is. 

[Valk72]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

ed87 wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Next stage of PR diversion:

http://i44.tinypic.com/25u0dbc.jpg

So Bioware started advertise: "look, how many multiplayer games in ME3".

Wow, that didnt take long

Don't let them get away with it.  In a month or two most multiplayer shooter fans will move on to the enxt big online game and if they want money they will need us.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Exactly, we will see how many multiplayer games ME3 will have in 2 or 3 weeks... I for one will not play Mutli or buy DLC until the ending are fixed. Like you, i should Hold The Line as long as necessary.

[Luiginius]

cyrrant wrote...

This is a great blog post, and I normally don't put any real stock in them except as extra coverage that we need, but in this case, he hits the nail on the head.

A little excerpt:

"The critical mistake BioWare made was to confuse their fans’ investment in the characters with interest in the fate of the universe as a whole. The ending is supposed to be hopeful — the Reapers are no longer a threat, and organic life can flourish. But by attempting to wrap up the story arcs before the final battle, and then sketching out the conclusion with broad strokes in which everyone’s fate is left unresolved, they’ve betrayed a colossal misunderstanding of how the audience was engaged with the story."

cruiseelroy.net/2012/03/the-ending/


Hold the Line

Great analysis. If only they would have remembered what Ron Moore thought of in the shower when contemplating how to end BSG- "It's about the chraracters, stupid".  Stupid meaning himself.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

x-Killision-X wrote...


       How is it that Damage Control with PR is never, "lets fix this". It's alway "how do we get out of the mess WE got ourselves in, while blaming others". This entire mess could/would be avoided if Bioware held true to their word and "Did right by their fans", and not just release NO ANSWER responses. I gotta assume that Bioware, EA, and their PR department know how dangerous word of mouth can be and it's getting worse with time an non-answers. Whenever ME3 comes up in a conversation, i don't hear praise about the game like I did before it's release. This bad press is like cancer, you catch the problem early and you can make it go away, you wait to long and you are screwed. You can release as many scripted PR responses you want, because I will always listen to user/customer feedback. Why, because they are not on your payroll, PR is. 

Yeah everyone I have talked to about ME3 has not given me the chance to bring up the ending they always say something like "is the ending as bad as they say?" and when i tell them yes they decide not to buy it because they know what a huge me fan I am so if I am saying it ruined the series it must be bad.

This sort of PR spin is out dated and thanks to this thread we can see right through it. As long as we don't let ourselves get tired while they are stalling and cave we will win this.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Valk72]

cyrrant wrote...

cardboardarmor wrote...
'Our choices should matter' is a good tagline, I believe. Better yet, meld both (green space magic! ): "Our choices should matter: hold the line".  It invites a curious passer-by to ask questions like 'what choices are being asked to matter?' 'who are these people asking for enfranchisement and why are they so determined?'  and perhaps the most important question to be asked in regards to anything:

I like this.  Are there other variations you might have in mind?  I always type "Hold the Line" at the end of all my posts just because it means more to me that way than if it's just passively in my signature.

I think we need a banner with that slogan, could someone make one ?

[x-Killision-X]

Valk72 wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

ed87 wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Next stage of PR diversion:

http://i44.tinypic.com/25u0dbc.jpg

So Bioware started advertise: "look, how many multiplayer games in ME3".

Wow, that didnt take long

Don't let them get away with it.  In a month or two most multiplayer shooter fans will move on to the enxt big online game and if they want money they will need us.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Exactly, we will see how many multiplayer games ME3 will have in 2 or 3 weeks... I for one will not play Mutli or buy DLC until the ending are fixed. Like you, i should Hold The Line as long as necessary.

Put it up next to Battlefield 3 or (I hate to say it) any call of duty and it does not impress. Nice try tough

Modifié par x-Killision-X, 18 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[Jamie9]

cyrrant wrote...

cardboardarmor wrote...
'Our choices should matter' is a good tagline, I believe. Better yet, meld both (green space magic! ): "Our choices should matter: hold the line".  It invites a curious passer-by to ask questions like 'what choices are being asked to matter?' 'who are these people asking for enfranchisement and why are they so determined?'  and perhaps the most important question to be asked in regards to anything:

I like this.  Are there other variations you might have in mind?  I always type "Hold the Line" at the end of all my posts just because it means more to me that way than if it's just passively in my signature.

The short phrase before "Hold the Line" really sums up the cause, and allows people to jump on board. They can then choose whether to read the longer posts and get more involved.

We need one we can agree on, and then we need to get people to say it (if they want to of course).

"Our choices should matter: Hold the Line"

"Multiple endings: Hold the Line"

"A reason to replay: Hold the Line"

We could even use more than one, and people could use the one they feel most strongly with. Though one suggests more unity...

What do you guys/gals think?

[hardermob5]

MattFini wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

This has been said many times over, in multiple threads. But you can't stop people comming up with theories and grasping straw. It is sort of a panic situation. I can even tell you what Bioware will do. The same as they did with DA2. Do you see alot of complaints at the DA2 site? Not anymore. Bioware if they want can wait for months or a year.

I am not sure what would satisfy me more atm. That Bioware fixed ME3 or that they don't and the company goes down because customers don't like their general business attitude. Either would be a proper ending to my Bioware intermezzo, because after ME3, no matter how it ends, I am out.

You're right to have that concern.  And if you are right, here's what I'm going to do:

MASS EFFECT 3 has been killed in my eyes.  I won't play it again, as is, nor will I go back to parts 1 and 2.  The journey is fun, but it leads to a pool of sh!t, and I just have no diesre to put myself through that.

Effective immediately:  ME3 has been put on my gaming shelf.  If I play any video games this weekend, it'll be SKYRIM, which I'm still working on.  

If I don't hear anything about ME3 this month:  I cancel my pre-order for both waves of action figures.  I don't buy ANY DLC for ME3 that doesn't fix the ending.

Long term:  I write off EA and BioWare.  No more games from either.  No ME4, ME Online, DA III, whatever...

Just not going to happen.

I don't say this out of entitlement.  But rather from a place of preference.  ME3 is awful in its current version.  Game breaking, in my eyes.  My time/money will be spent on things that won't burn me like MASS EFFECT has.  And that's going to cost BioWare at least one customer from now on.

But I suspect it'll be more.

My sentiments exactly.  I am doing the same thing.  I never thought I'd actually ever be writing off Bioware, but it looks like that is going to be the case.   I've cancelled SWTOR for myself and my daughter.  I am not playing Bioware games anymore.  I've signed the petitions.  This PR spin they're doing right now is insulting.
But, I will check periodically to see if they've grown a brain and will release DLC to correct the ending...an actual apology would be nice too, but I'm not holding my breath.
  
For now (and maybe forever), I'm done with them. 

Ray Muzyka, how did you let this happen?  EA paid 800 million for the company you and Greg brought up through the greatness of Baldur's Gate... was it worth it?