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[Samuel_Valkyrie]

We want:


1: a variety of endings, the choice amongst these based on previous choices 
2: Our crew, and the species of our fleet, to have a role to play in those endings
3: The variety of endings to scale from happy to sad and bittersweet, with a multitude of options in between
4: if the present finale is kept, to explain any discrepancies between it and the rest of the game.

Modifié par Samuel_Valkyrie, 18 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Valk72 wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

ed87 wrote...

McAllyster wrote...

Next stage of PR diversion:

http://i44.tinypic.com/25u0dbc.jpg

So Bioware started advertise: "look, how many multiplayer games in ME3".

Wow, that didnt take long

Don't let them get away with it.  In a month or two most multiplayer shooter fans will move on to the enxt big online game and if they want money they will need us.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Exactly, we will see how many multiplayer games ME3 will have in 2 or 3 weeks... I for one will not play Mutli or buy DLC until the ending are fixed. Like you, i should Hold The Line as long as necessary.

yes good job! I thank everyone who is doing this.  To those who say this is hopeless i would like to point something out.  I have been a Doctor Who fan since 95. back then it was some old show that was know for bad SFX if it was known at all. Everyone said it was there was no way the show would ever come back because the show had died in the first place because the BBC didn't like it but fans on the internet came together and for years we did things like wirte the BBC,buy the DvDs and the audios. Guess and the show came back against all odds and it was a hit because we helped spread the word.

I am seeing ME fans come together in the exact same we. As long as we don't give up we will win.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Kilshrek]

Jamie9 wrote...

The short phrase before "Hold the Line" really sums up the cause, and allows people to jump on board. They can then choose whether to read the longer posts and get more involved.

We need one we can agree on, and then we need to get people to say it (if they want to of course).

"Our choices should matter: Hold the Line"

"Multiple endings: Hold the Line"

"A reason to replay: Hold the Line"

We could even use more than one, and people could use the one they feel most strongly with. Though one suggests more unity...

What do you guys/gals think?

I like that our choices should matter. It was the mantra before ME 3 came out.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[FREEGUNNER]

cyrrant wrote...

zsom wrote...
While DA2 had a group supporting it the other faction had a rage that more than made up for its lack in numbers... If anything it should show you that it doesn't need to be an overwhelming majority inflaming the forums to kill DLCs for everyone.

The problem is that demanding a fix is way easier than delivering one that satisfies the majority. There isn't even a concesus here on the forum about what is expected:
- free DLC vs. for money
- retcon vs. alternative ending
- happy ending vs. sad ending

Even if they decide to create a new ending it will not please everyone. Oh and don't even dream about salvaging the bombed reviews... people are way easier to mobilze for a negative cause than for a positive one. That ship has sailed. Not to mention that good reviews months after the initial release aren't worth the bytes they are stored in.

I fail to see what you're suggesting we do, then? ANY ending would be better than what is in there right now, in my opinion.

There's nothing to do. The damage has already been done.

It's like plinkett's summary of the star wars prequels: "they will never go away, they can never be undone."

[Bachuck]

Lugaidster wrote...

@OP, at least put time-zone in the time-stamp. Not everyone that visits is in the States. Or put it in UTC.

Sorry. I wasn't thinking at 5:40 in the AM. 

Would this be the proper way of listing it?

UPDATED 3/18/12 @ 1:02 PM, UTC/GMT -4 hours

Modifié par Bachuck, 18 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[Hallows Gaze]

I've never seen so many people get so damn angry over something so utterly meaningless. Hold the line. For ****s sake. ****ing grow up.

[Panicomatic]

Man I do love the RSA video that Eric posted at the end of his article.

[vigna]

Zero.Gee wrote...

Why do I have a sense of a Stand Alone Complex right now?

Hold the line to prevent chaos.

[Marcin K]

Bachuck wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

@OP, at least put time-zone in the time-stamp. Not everyone that visits is in the States. Or put it in UTC.

Sorry. I wasn't thinking at 5:40 in the AM. 

Would this be the proper way of listing it?

UPDATED 3/18/12 @ 1:02 PM, UTC/GMT -4 hours

yep GMT measurement will be proper

[MattFini]

@Hallows, very helpful response, champ.

Here's a tip: a message board poster insulting other message board posters = hard to take seriously.

[Lukeyguy]

Very disappointed in you Bioware.

- Our choices should matter
- The ending is unsatisfactory
- We will support BioWare in an ending DLC

[Carnage752]

Hallows Gaze wrote...

I've never seen so many people get so damn angry over something so utterly meaningless. Hold the line. For ****s sake. ****ing grow up.

That's your opinion. We care about Shepard's story. Don't go picking fights.

[RazorrX]

Hallows Gaze wrote...

I've never seen so many people get so damn angry over something so utterly meaningless. Hold the line. For ****s sake. ****ing grow up.

Thats great!  What did you like about the Retake MassEffect Movement?

[Xivai]

We must hold the line. This topic has grown with a vast swathe of critical information people need to see. Can't wait for more updates.

[xistfirat]

 
http://grudgevision....s-effect-3.html

[Xellith]

I WILL HOLD THE LINE WITH MY DYING BREATH. I mean that seriously. Ive had a cough for like 4 months. Not sure what it is.

[Noatz]

If a concise list of bullet points is what is needed to help convey the message, I'll make some suggestions.

Two of the major complaints are: 'our choices don't matter' and 'the ending goes against the series' themes'. I would interpret choice as being a theme of the series, both through the intrinsic narrative structure and as a component of "free will". Therefore these can be combined into a single sentence.

We want:

- An ending consistent with the themes defining the Mass Effect franchise.

or

- An ending consistent with the themes of choice and unity which define the Mass Effect franchise.

Other complaints centre around the plot holes and lack of closure

We want

- An ending consistent with the established rules and events of the Mass Effect universe and story, which goes on to provide meaningful resolution to its story elements.

The idea is twofold here:

1. To condense the (often very well articulated) walls of text posted by users in regard to this issue into easily digested soundbites that anyone reading can then process in order to understand the exact nature of the problem (and perhaps then come to agree with it).

2. To add reasoning as to why these issues are a serious problem to the franchise. Asking for consistency implies existing inconsistency, which is ultimately the problem here - what lies at the root of this ending and what makes it bad. If the statement can convey this instantaneously to someone reading it for the first time, the chances of agreement will go up.

Of course some people will always disagree fundamentally, but much of this does spring from an improper understanding of what the issues are. How many times have you thought something is stupid until you actually read up on it?

I hope this helps the cause.

Hold the line.

[Carnage752]

Noatz wrote...

If a concise list of bullet points is what is needed to help convey the message, I'll make some suggestions.

Two of the major complaints are: 'our choices don't matter' and 'the ending goes against the series' themes'. I would interpret choice as being a theme of the series, both through the intrinsic narrative structure and as a component of "free will". Therefore these can be combined into a single sentence.

We want:

- An ending consistent with the themes defining the Mass Effect franchise.

or

- An ending consistent with the themes of choice and unity which define the Mass Effect franchise.

Other complaints centre around the plot holes and lack of closure

We want

- An ending consistent with the established rules and events of the Mass Effect universe and story, which goes on to provide meaningful resolution to its story elements.

The idea is twofold here:

1. To condense the (often very well articulated) walls of text posted by users in regard to this issue into easily digested soundbites that anyone reading can then process in order to understand the exact nature of the problem (and perhaps then come to agree with it).

2. To add reasoning as to why these issues are a serious problem to the franchise. Asking for consistency implies existing inconsistency, which is ultimately the problem here - what lies at the root of this ending and what makes it bad. If the statement can convey this instantaneously to someone reading it for the first time, the chances of agreement will go up.

Of course some people will always disagree fundamentally, but much of this does spring from an improper understanding of what the issues are. How many times have you thought something is stupid until you actually read up on it?

I hope this helps the cause.

Hold the line.

We will leave that up to our leader on facebook to decide. he made some pretty good points on the charity page.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Xellith wrote...

I WILL HOLD THE LINE WITH MY DYING BREATH. I mean that seriously. Ive had a cough for like 4 months. Not sure what it is.

Yeah soory about that I didn't know it was your cup of coffe I put the poison in.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[curufinwe03]

Xellith wrote...

I WILL HOLD THE LINE WITH MY DYING BREATH. I mean that seriously. Ive had a cough for like 4 months. Not sure what it is.

You sir, should visit a doctor.

[rvayda141]

Noatz wrote...

If a concise list of bullet points is what is needed to help convey the message, I'll make some suggestions.

Two of the major complaints are: 'our choices don't matter' and 'the ending goes against the series' themes'. I would interpret choice as being a theme of the series, both through the intrinsic narrative structure and as a component of "free will". Therefore these can be combined into a single sentence.

We want:

- An ending consistent with the themes defining the Mass Effect franchise.

or

- An ending consistent with the themes of choice and unity which define the Mass Effect franchise.

Other complaints centre around the plot holes and lack of closure

We want

- An ending consistent with the established rules and events of the Mass Effect universe and story, which goes on to provide meaningful resolution to its story elements.

The idea is twofold here:

1. To condense the (often very well articulated) walls of text posted by users in regard to this issue into easily digested soundbites that anyone reading can then process in order to understand the exact nature of the problem (and perhaps then come to agree with it).

2. To add reasoning as to why these issues are a serious problem to the franchise. Asking for consistency implies existing inconsistency, which is ultimately the problem here - what lies at the root of this ending and what makes it bad. If the statement can convey this instantaneously to someone reading it for the first time, the chances of agreement will go up.

Of course some people will always disagree fundamentally, but much of this does spring from an improper understanding of what the issues are. How many times have you thought something is stupid until you actually read up on it?

I hope this helps the cause.

Hold the line.

Someone came out with a really good set of points for the movement: http://social.biowar...0364/1#10160364

I think that needs to be on our first page, or at least that thread linked to at the bottom of it.

[Jamie9]

rvayda141 wrote...

Someone came out with a really good set of points for the movement: http://social.biowar...0364/1#10160364

I think that needs to be on our first page, or at least that thread linked to at the bottom of it.

The thing is we need a slogan that is short and to the point, but allows you to jump onto larger posts like those ones. We will lose people just by them thinking "tl;dr" and we need all the help we can get.

[Boceephus]

I love the suggestions for what we want. Once these ideas are centralized though, I think it's also important to centralize how we will go about it.

At its most basic level, I thought that the Retake movement involved abstaining from ME3 participation until our concerns were addressed. Some people are just attracted to the meme status of the movement and think "sure, I'll take a new ending" but do absolutely nothing about it.

It was really disappointing to see a handful of people using the Retake sig and then saying how much they're looking forward to winning some trinkets from MP weekend and then they will get back to "holding the line". What the **** do these people think holding the line means?

[InsaneNarwhal]

Hallows Gaze wrote...

I've never seen so many people get so damn angry over something so utterly meaningless. Hold the line. For ****s sake. ****ing grow up.

How mature and civil of you. I would not call the fact that most of the people in this movement "Getting angry over something pointless" since they have invested well over 100 hours of their free time to this game series. Play nice, be civil.

[cyrrant]

Carnage752 wrote...

We will leave that up to our leader on facebook to decide. he made some pretty good points on the charity page.

atghunter advised against electing leaders that become responsible for our cause.  It makes it easier to target the movement.  If people want to put forward suggestions on what our concise bullet points should be, let them.  I have seen nothing but positive contribution here.  Putting the kibosh on community involvement is a sure-fire way to kill the movement.

Our choices should matter: Hold the Line