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[wepeel_]

Harbing3r wrote...

Here's an article that perfectly illustrates that something went wrong:

www.oxm.co.uk/37677/mass-effect-3-citadel-is-bigger-than-ever-endings-will-be-more-sophisticated/

Apologies if someone has already posted (I saw this on Twitter)

Hold the line!

Ah yes, the source of the classic quote: "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you
can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

That in itself goes a long way to illustrate why we are disappointed. Hold the line.

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

Rock on atghunter

[lasertank]

Hold the line!

[vigna]

Carnage752 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Noatz wrote...

If a concise list of bullet points is what is needed to help convey the message, I'll make some suggestions.

Two of the major complaints are: 'our choices don't matter' and 'the ending goes against the series' themes'. I would interpret choice as being a theme of the series, both through the intrinsic narrative structure and as a component of "free will". Therefore these can be combined into a single sentence.

We want:

- An ending consistent with the themes defining the Mass Effect franchise.

or

- An ending consistent with the themes of choice and unity which define the Mass Effect franchise.

Other complaints centre around the plot holes and lack of closure

We want

- An ending consistent with the established rules and events of the Mass Effect universe and story, which goes on to provide meaningful resolution to its story elements.

The idea is twofold here:

1. To condense the (often very well articulated) walls of text posted by users in regard to this issue into easily digested soundbites that anyone reading can then process in order to understand the exact nature of the problem (and perhaps then come to agree with it).

2. To add reasoning as to why these issues are a serious problem to the franchise. Asking for consistency implies existing inconsistency, which is ultimately the problem here - what lies at the root of this ending and what makes it bad. If the statement can convey this instantaneously to someone reading it for the first time, the chances of agreement will go up.

Of course some people will always disagree fundamentally, but much of this does spring from an improper understanding of what the issues are. How many times have you thought something is stupid until you actually read up on it?

I hope this helps the cause.

Hold the line.

We will leave that up to our leader on facebook to decide. he made some pretty good points on the charity page.

Leader? Bah,,,,,, why is everyone looking for a leader?

To coordinate and update us on developements and actions to further our agenda. In short, structure and coordination. Any movement requires that.

do it how you want---leaving it to one person is  a risk. I'll leave it at that. Should be a group thing or consensus. IMO

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

wepeel_ wrote...

Harbing3r wrote...

Here's an article that perfectly illustrates that something went wrong:

www.oxm.co.uk/37677/mass-effect-3-citadel-is-bigger-than-ever-endings-will-be-more-sophisticated/

Apologies if someone has already posted (I saw this on Twitter)

Hold the line!

Ah yes, the source of the classic quote: "It's not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you
can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C."

That in itself goes a long way to illustrate why we are disappointed. Hold the line.

Hold the line no matter how long it takes.

[Lil One]

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

[vigna]

Great post ATG.

[Syrellaris]

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

[Crellis]

Holding the line. Hoping for a better tomorrow and an update on the dlc

[InsaneNarwhal]

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

Every major decision you have made throughout the course of the all three games that could affect how the time after the Reapers could play out, assuming you do stop them.

[Bachuck]

Marcin R wrote...

Bachuck wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

@OP, at least put time-zone in the time-stamp. Not everyone that visits is in the States. Or put it in UTC.

Sorry. I wasn't thinking at 5:40 in the AM. 

Would this be the proper way of listing it?

UPDATED 3/18/12 @ 1:02 PM, UTC/GMT -4 hours

yep GMT measurement will be proper

Thank you.

[Carnage752]

Guys if, no, WHEN we accomplish our goals, we are getting loud, and spilling some drinks on the Citadel!

[Carnage752]

@Bachuck whats the time for?

[Enichan]

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

I think you can interpret the choices as broadly as you like really. Much like the ME3 ending itself. ;D

If we're actually talking about in game choices, my biggest ones would be choosing to humanize EDI and uplift the Geth and choosing to believe synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully. A choice which the ending doesn't take into account whatsoever.

It could also be taken out of game; our choices not to play more ME3, multiplayer, singleplayer, whatever, our choice not to buy DLC, our choice to voice our discontent, it matters because it means we're holding the line. And if it didn't matter, well, why would we all be here?

I find it pretty amusing how the above paragraph, our belief and hope-against-hope that we can make a difference, and really a sort of empowered idealism mirrors much of Mass Effect's story. Well, right up til the end, anyway. Let's hope our ending turns out better.

[ERWERman]

BioWare, I know you probably aren't reading this but please don't ruin this game with a stupid illogical ending!
HOLD THE LINE PEOPLE!!!

[Bachuck]

*edited*

~BaChuck

Modifié par Bachuck, 18 mars 2012 - 06:02 .

[awwnuts07]

Rock on atghunter, rock on.

Are you Marauder Shields' alternate identity?

[cyrrant]

ERWERman wrote...

BioWare, I know you probably aren't reading this but please don't ruin this game with a stupid illogical ending!
HOLD THE LINE PEOPLE!!!

Have faith, man.  They may not read your exact post, but they know that your voice has been added to ours.

Our choices should matter.  Hold the Line

[Michotic]

The longer we remain civil and steadfast, the harder it will be to marginalize us.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[LinkSnake1016]

Thank you for keeping this updated and one of the best threads. I agree that the DLC will mostly be paid content but I don't object to buying it if it'll become available. I feel that if they make a free DLC then they can just extend the ending to appease the upset people but if they actually charge for a DLC then can bring back writers, voice actors, etc to not only extend the ending to give an incredible detailed ending. I don't see them adding additional conversations at the end of the game or detailed results of our decisions and their individual outcomes unless they see some profit in the addtional work that we're requesting them to do. Keep up the support for new DLC!

Hold the Line

[Lasergrid]

Captain Kirrahe didn't survive my PC save (he did on 360, though), but I shall nevertheless say "Hold the line!"

[Deventh]

bump. This needs to stay on the first page.

[InsaneNarwhal]

LinkSnake1016 wrote...

Thank you for keeping this updated and one of the best threads. I agree that the DLC will mostly be paid content but I don't object to buying it if it'll become available. I feel that if they make a free DLC then they can just extend the ending to appease the upset people but if they actually charge for a DLC then can bring back writers, voice actors, etc to not only extend the ending to give an incredible detailed ending. I don't see them adding additional conversations at the end of the game or detailed results of our decisions and their individual outcomes unless they see some profit in the addtional work that we're requesting them to do. Keep up the support for new DLC!

Hold the Line

I believe the thing I've seen most people say is as follows (I agree):
Just a quick DLC that offers closure: Free DLC
A decent ending with conversation, animation, etc that offers closure: People are willing to purchase it

[atghunter]

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

Good Morning Syrellasis,

Glad to see you stopped back by.  I've noticed you engaged with folks on a number of civil topics.  hope you got some rest.


My two cents as to decisions and the ending.  I think it's pretty well settled in both camps atm that the endings are vastly stock with some minor variance accounted for by war assets which can be skewed wildly by doing multiplayer.  The vast nature of 2.95 of the mass effect games was in large contingent on decisions.  The endings rejected this established paradigm and simply gave players virtually identical choices with no significant dialogue and no impact of of those decisions.

While you may see variance in the nuances, I don't.  Still glad you're sharing your thoughts.  

 

[Lil One]

Enichan wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

I think you can interpret the choices as broadly as you like really. Much like the ME3 ending itself. ;D

If we're actually talking about in game choices, my biggest ones would be choosing to humanize EDI and uplift the Geth and choosing to believe synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully. A choice which the ending doesn't take into account whatsoever.

It could also be taken out of game; our choices not to play more ME3, multiplayer, singleplayer, whatever, our choice not to buy DLC, our choice to voice our discontent, it matters because it means we're holding the line. And if it didn't matter, well, why would we all be here?

I find it pretty amusing how the above paragraph, our belief and hope-against-hope that we can make a difference, and really a sort of empowered idealism mirrors much of Mass Effect's story. Well, right up til the end, anyway. Let's hope our ending turns out better.

Was about to reply, but this ^ is much better formulated than what I could come up with. :happy:


As it stands, Mass Effect as a whole has lost its appeal to me, because I have never before invested so much time and emotion into a series of games, and I was looking forward to running through several times.

And that saddens me, because I did enjoy all but the very end.