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[Gudmoore]

Enichan wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

I think you can interpret the choices as broadly as you like really. Much like the ME3 ending itself. ;D

If we're actually talking about in game choices, my biggest ones would be choosing to humanize EDI and uplift the Geth and choosing to believe synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully. A choice which the ending doesn't take into account whatsoever.

It could also be taken out of game; our choices not to play more ME3, multiplayer, singleplayer, whatever, our choice not to buy DLC, our choice to voice our discontent, it matters because it means we're holding the line. And if it didn't matter, well, why would we all be here?

I find it pretty amusing how the above paragraph, our belief and hope-against-hope that we can make a difference, and really a sort of empowered idealism mirrors much of Mass Effect's story. Well, right up til the end, anyway. Let's hope our ending turns out better.

Which was falsely advertised as having personalized journeys. Interpretation is all good, but not when it seems like a company is using it as a cop-out for a lazily made ending.

[Syrellaris]

Enichan wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

I think you can interpret the choices as broadly as you like really. Much like the ME3 ending itself. ;D

If we're actually talking about in game choices, my biggest ones would be choosing to humanize EDI and uplift the Geth and choosing to believe synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully. A choice which the ending doesn't take into account whatsoever.

It could also be taken out of game; our choices not to play more ME3, multiplayer, singleplayer, whatever, our choice not to buy DLC, our choice to voice our discontent, it matters because it means we're holding the line. And if it didn't matter, well, why would we all be here?

I find it pretty amusing how the above paragraph, our belief and hope-against-hope that we can make a difference, and really a sort of empowered idealism mirrors much of Mass Effect's story. Well, right up til the end, anyway. Let's hope our ending turns out better.

I was under the impression she or he meant game choices haha. As Far as I can tell your choices you made in ME1, effected the choices and story of ME2, other then the arachni queen. Choices you make in Mass effect 3, are reflected upon inmediatly as war assets. or thats the way I took it atleast.

Take the quarian and geth situation as you said, if you saved them both, they are living together. The geth are helping the quarians to gain a better immune system and place to live. tali tells you so. What else did you or others, wanted to see in the ending regarding that?

That they lived happily ever after? That it went wrong?

btw, im just curious

[cyrrant]

atghunter wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

Good Morning Syrellasis,

Glad to see you stopped back by.  I've noticed you engaged with folks on a number of civil topics.  hope you got some rest.


My two cents as to decisions and the ending.  I think it's pretty well settled in both camps atm that the endings are vastly stock with some minor variance accounted for by war assets which can be skewed wildly by doing multiplayer.  The vast nature of 2.95 of the mass effect games was in large contingent on decisions.  The endings rejected this established paradigm and simply gave players virtually identical choices with no significant dialogue and no impact of of those decisions.

While you may see variance in the nuances, I don't.  Still glad you're sharing your thoughts.  

 

This this this this this

atghunter for Marauder Shields 2012

Our choices should matter: Hold the Line!

[Kioux]

After a long time of thinking - I decided today to cancel my SWTOR subscription. It wasn't out of malignity but every time I looked at the shortcut on my desktop, I felt something twist in my stomach. So far I had been willing to wait for larger patches to fix my personal issues with the endgame content, but "endgame", heh, yeah I think that traumatized me a little.

I wish I could support Bioware in one way, I don't want them to go down but at the same time, I don't want to support what they have done, so I act within my possibilities.
I know it is not of importance to anyone here, but I just needed to get that out of my system.

For Tuchanka, for Thessia, for Palaven, for Earth!

[Versus Omnibus]

Hold the line, folks!! We are making a difference!! Just keep letting Bioware/EA know that!!

[Jamie9]

Syrellaris wrote...

Enichan wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

I think you can interpret the choices as broadly as you like really. Much like the ME3 ending itself. ;D

If we're actually talking about in game choices, my biggest ones would be choosing to humanize EDI and uplift the Geth and choosing to believe synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully. A choice which the ending doesn't take into account whatsoever.

It could also be taken out of game; our choices not to play more ME3, multiplayer, singleplayer, whatever, our choice not to buy DLC, our choice to voice our discontent, it matters because it means we're holding the line. And if it didn't matter, well, why would we all be here?

I find it pretty amusing how the above paragraph, our belief and hope-against-hope that we can make a difference, and really a sort of empowered idealism mirrors much of Mass Effect's story. Well, right up til the end, anyway. Let's hope our ending turns out better.

I was under the impression she or he meant game choices haha. As Far as I can tell your choices you made in ME1, effected the choices and story of ME2, other then the arachni queen. Choices you make in Mass effect 3, are reflected upon inmediatly as war assets. or thats the way I took it atleast.

Take the quarian and geth situation as you said, if you saved them both, they are living together. The geth are helping the quarians to gain a better immune system and place to live. tali tells you so. What else did you or others, wanted to see in the ending regarding that?

That they lived happily ever after? That it went wrong?

btw, im just curious

"Our choices should matter: Hold the Line" encompasses pretty much everyone in our cause, so I thought it fitting. Our opinions on what the endings should be differ, but we all generally agree that our choices should matter.

It directly refers to in-game choices, but yes, also to our choices as consumers.

Our choices should matter: Hold the Line.

[katness]

I can finally post! I had to wait 24 hours to get my chance. I don't want to repeat what everyone else is saying, but I agree that my most favorite game series was destroyed in 10 minutes at the hands of it's creators.

I'm sure there's a creator/God child analogy in there somewhere....

I'm not going to demand a new ending, but I am hoping for one. I still think Bioware is a good company and can make this right. I have close friends and even family that work in game companies and I have some insight to the situation which makes me a little sympathetic with Bioware.

I just can't believe that no one at the company didn't raise their hand and say, "Um, yeah, people are going to be angry with the ending." but, maybe they had more knowledge than we do and didn't realize how it felt for those of us in the dark...

But, as a dissatisfied customer that feels she got an incomplete product that I paid $80 for, I am HOLDING THE LINE. I refuse to play anything EA or Bioware until this is fixed. This isn't blackmail, just an excercise in my consumer rights.

[Sirawersome]

Hold the line

[Lmaoboat]

I hated the endings, but I don't see a point in demanding a new one, because unless Bioware truly feels they did it wrong, I do not think they will be able to provide a satisfactory ending. I think if they made an ending they didn't believe in just to appease us, then it would clearly show.

[Carnage752]

Kioux wrote...

After a long time of thinking - I decided today to cancel my SWTOR subscription. It wasn't out of malignity but every time I looked at the shortcut on my desktop, I felt something twist in my stomach. So far I had been willing to wait for larger patches to fix my personal issues with the endgame content, but "endgame", heh, yeah I think that traumatized me a little.

I wish I could support Bioware in one way, I don't want them to go down but at the same time, I don't want to support what they have done, so I act within my possibilities.
I know it is not of importance to anyone here, but I just needed to get that out of my system.

For Tuchanka, for Thessia, for Palaven, for Earth!

It all makes a difference. I'm proud of you, every sacrifice made will help us get what we want sooner. Then we can all rejoice .

We want more variety in endings! Hold the line!

[Radwar]

Wow, great thread! I was going to play some multiplayer today but I've decided to boycott ME3. Hold the line!

[Versus Omnibus]

katness wrote...

I can finally post! I had to wait 24 hours to get my chance. I don't want to repeat what everyone else is saying, but I agree that my most favorite game series was destroyed in 10 minutes at the hands of it's creators.

I'm sure there's a creator/God child analogy in there somewhere....

I'm not going to demand a new ending, but I am hoping for one. I still think Bioware is a good company and can make this right. I have close friends and even family that work in game companies and I have some insight to the situation which makes me a little sympathetic with Bioware.

I just can't believe that no one at the company didn't raise their hand and say, "Um, yeah, people are going to be angry with the ending." but, maybe they had more knowledge than we do and didn't realize how it felt for those of us in the dark...

But, as a dissatisfied customer that feels she got an incomplete product that I paid $80 for, I am HOLDING THE LINE. I refuse to play anything EA or Bioware until this is fixed. This isn't blackmail, just an excercise in my consumer rights.

Welcome sister!! We're happy to see you holding the line!!

[Carnage752]

katness wrote...

I can finally post! I had to wait 24 hours to get my chance. I don't want to repeat what everyone else is saying, but I agree that my most favorite game series was destroyed in 10 minutes at the hands of it's creators.

I'm sure there's a creator/God child analogy in there somewhere....

I'm not going to demand a new ending, but I am hoping for one. I still think Bioware is a good company and can make this right. I have close friends and even family that work in game companies and I have some insight to the situation which makes me a little sympathetic with Bioware.

I just can't believe that no one at the company didn't raise their hand and say, "Um, yeah, people are going to be angry with the ending." but, maybe they had more knowledge than we do and didn't realize how it felt for those of us in the dark...

But, as a dissatisfied customer that feels she got an incomplete product that I paid $80 for, I am HOLDING THE LINE. I refuse to play anything EA or Bioware until this is fixed. This isn't blackmail, just an excercise in my consumer rights.

Every voice counts. Welcome to the line

[Boceephus]

Radwar wrote...

Wow, great thread! I was going to play some multiplayer today but I've decided to boycott ME3. Hold the line!

Welcome to the cause, thank you for trying to make ME3 what it deserves to be. Hold the line.

[Bachuck]

 

Carnage752 wrote...

@Bachuck whats the time for?

So people can know when I've updated my OP with new material. Since I add each new entry in chronological order, it makes it easier for newbies to find.

I would like to caution everyone on the issue of trolling. If someone comes into the thread and insults you or the movement with little to no explanation as to why, it's best to ignore that person. Responding is a waste of your time and energy and protests, boycotts and the like are long, energy draining battles. Save and channel your valuable energy into something productive, even if that means getting off your computer and enjoying other aspects of your real life.

If you truly feel the need to reply to said person, use what some people have been using:

Thats great!  What did you like about the Retake MassEffect Movement?

And move on. Trolls are experts at derailing threads and their only purpose is to see just how riled up they can get you. Don't fall for it. Truth is we will continue to be assaulted with insults. Take no offense. They're just words on a screen. Keep your heads up; maintain your civility and hold the line with as much dignity as you can.

[cyrrant]

I'm a little curious as to things like this video: 

www.youtube.com/watch

It gives me tingles but how effective do we think rallying points like this will be?  Is this effective advertisement?  I think it might be a little too shallow and not explain enough, but it has a decent enough hook, I think.  Someone help me out here.

[Razorsteel]

Remember Marauder Shields, Hold The line.

[Archon-god]

So long as we , the community, hold out, and don't give in to them,to time and to depression, there's a chance that we'll get the ending we want and deserve. You know..."Hope dies last".

[vigna]

Bachuck wrote...

 

Carnage752 wrote...

@Bachuck whats the time for?

So people can know when I've updated my OP with new material. Since I add each new entry in chronological order, it makes it easier for newbies to find.

I would like to caution everyone on the issue of trolling. If someone comes into the thread and insults you or the movement with little to no explanation as to why, it's best to ignore that person. Responding is a waste of your time and energy and protests, boycotts and the like are long, energy draining battles. Save and channel your valuable energy into something productive, even if that means getting off your computer and enjoying other aspects of your real life.

If you truly feel the need to reply to said person, use what some people have been using:

Thats great!  What did you like about the Retake MassEffect Movement?

And move on. Trolls are experts at derailing threads and their only purpose is to see just how riled up they can get you. Don't fall for it. Truth is we will continue to be assaulted with insults. Take no offense. They're just words on a screen. Keep your heads up; maintain your civility and hold the line with as much dignity as you can.

I prefer "We are listening to your feedback!".  has a ring to it.

[Enichan]

Syrellaris wrote...

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Take the quarian and geth situation as you said, if you saved them both, they are living together. The geth are helping the quarians to gain a better immune system and place to live. tali tells you so. What else did you or others, wanted to see in the ending regarding that?

That they lived happily ever after? That it went wrong?

btw, im just curious

So we've established that synthetics and organics can live in peace, and my Shepard wholeheartedly believes in this, to the point of risking the Geth becoming as dangerous as reapers by letting Legion upgrade them, right?

Now the Crucible Starchild comes up and tells me that synthetics will always destroy organics in the end. And I'm given no way to dispute this, to argue it, nothing. All my Shepard can do suddenly, despite her intense belief in the Starchild being wrong, is just nod her head and go "hurrr, well okay!". It doesn't make sense, it's inconsistent with the character, it breaks immersion, it's illogical and thus incredibly jarring.

And I don't understand why Bioware would give me the choice to set up my Shepard that way, and then not give me the choice to keep her consistent at the end, just giving in to some random AI's assertion that synthetics will always destroy organics.

And my issue with that whole shpiel doesn't even end there. Because the reapers have been killin' mah doods the entire game. Damnit, I cried irl and everything! Several times! I want to make them pay for everything they did!

Except now, even if I get over my Shepard acting out of character and agreeing with the Starchild, my choices are synthesis or control. Why? Because if I choose the "destroy the reapers" ending, I turn on EDI and the Geth, and I can't do that while feeling consistent with my earlier choices. I don't wanna control the reapers either, cause I'm very anti-TIM. That leaves me with synthesis, which lets the reapers get away with what they did.

End result; cognitive dissonance. No consistency with my earlier choices whatsoever, no more investment in how the ending plays out, and all because of a character that pops up at the end in which I'm not invested at all, the Starchild.

I think that qualifies to say, my choices didn't matter.

(sorry for the wall of text, but there's no way to explain how deeply the betrayal of my earlier choices runs without tapping deep into the thematics of the game)

Modifié par Enichan, 18 mars 2012 - 06:08 .

[Phattee Buttz]

Just want to say this is my favorite thread on the Citadel. Er, on the forums I mean.

[Syrellaris]

atghunter wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

Good Morning Syrellasis,

Glad to see you stopped back by.  I've noticed you engaged with folks on a number of civil topics.  hope you got some rest.


My two cents as to decisions and the ending.  I think it's pretty well settled in both camps atm that the endings are vastly stock with some minor variance accounted for by war assets which can be skewed wildly by doing multiplayer.  The vast nature of 2.95 of the mass effect games was in large contingent on decisions.  The endings rejected this established paradigm and simply gave players virtually identical choices with no significant dialogue and no impact of of those decisions.

While you may see variance in the nuances, I don't.  Still glad you're sharing your thoughts.  

 

Yeah I kind of new it was mostly the ending differences (colors dont make different endings) and a few inconsistancies, like the crash landing. Which I agree with as well. However I saw plenty of people complain about there choices to not matter. Which I found odd at best, specially considering choices you make during Mass effect 3 come back as War Assets, or keep certain persons alive which then counts as a extra war asset.

I personally never expected to see what would happen to the quarians and geth after I saved them both, in the ending. In fact, I would not even want to see a fairy tail ending like that.

What I personally wanted to see in the ending is indeed some extra choices during the catalyst scene were you could make choices to gain more information regarding his motives. The final word to know if Shepard is either a VI, Reaper synthetic or indoctrinated etc.

I also would like to see people on earth celebrating including the krogan and my squad mates that did survive Habringers death ray. To see the normandy crash land on earth if the players choose the mass relays to be disabled and mostly and fore most, to know what happened to the remaining forces.

After that, the stargazer ending would have made it perfect. Was it a historical story told to a kid? or was it a old shepard telling the tale to his/her grand kid! Get my drift

[Voidster]

hold the line! dont give up. AT least some form of closure and an ending that makes sense. It doesnt have to be happy, i mean were fighting million year old machines. although, id like to see my shep and her LI have blue children. (heh) Please consider fixing this bioware.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Kioux wrote...

After a long time of thinking - I decided today to cancel my SWTOR subscription. It wasn't out of malignity but every time I looked at the shortcut on my desktop, I felt something twist in my stomach. So far I had been willing to wait for larger patches to fix my personal issues with the endgame content, but "endgame", heh, yeah I think that traumatized me a little.

I wish I could support Bioware in one way, I don't want them to go down but at the same time, I don't want to support what they have done, so I act within my possibilities.
I know it is not of importance to anyone here, but I just needed to get that out of my system.

For Tuchanka, for Thessia, for Palaven, for Earth!

thank you.  that is one place we can really hurt them.  The monthly fees for MMOs are big money makers and if even a few thousand people cancel that means a lot of money lost every single month. Investors don't like that.  Thank you for standing with us.  Remember this whole thing will take time to work,Bioware and EA have to see that it will not blow over and that may take a month or two. please everyone stay with this till the end.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[ReavousX]

Syrellaris wrote...

Enichan wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Lil One wrote...

I like "Our choices should matter" myself, so I am running with that, er, holding the line with that!

Btw this might be a little offtopic or in a different direction, BUt I am really curious what choices people are actually referring too.

I think you can interpret the choices as broadly as you like really. Much like the ME3 ending itself. ;D

If we're actually talking about in game choices, my biggest ones would be choosing to humanize EDI and uplift the Geth and choosing to believe synthetics and organics can coexist peacefully. A choice which the ending doesn't take into account whatsoever.

It could also be taken out of game; our choices not to play more ME3, multiplayer, singleplayer, whatever, our choice not to buy DLC, our choice to voice our discontent, it matters because it means we're holding the line. And if it didn't matter, well, why would we all be here?

I find it pretty amusing how the above paragraph, our belief and hope-against-hope that we can make a difference, and really a sort of empowered idealism mirrors much of Mass Effect's story. Well, right up til the end, anyway. Let's hope our ending turns out better.

I was under the impression she or he meant game choices haha. As Far as I can tell your choices you made in ME1, effected the choices and story of ME2, other then the arachni queen. Choices you make in Mass effect 3, are reflected upon inmediatly as war assets. or thats the way I took it atleast.

Take the quarian and geth situation as you said, if you saved them both, they are living together. The geth are helping the quarians to gain a better immune system and place to live. tali tells you so. What else did you or others, wanted to see in the ending regarding that?

That they lived happily ever after? That it went wrong?

btw, im just curious

Throwing in my two cents here.  The big issue here, is that ME3 ends but moments after the climax.  There is no resolution.  The ULTIMATE choice in the game is made, and we don't get to see the results extend past the Normandy crash landing.

Your choices would greatly impact the galaxy at this point.  What happens if the Geth are wiped out?  Are the Krogan going to turn a new leaf, or seek vengeance?  Is Earth beyond repair?  

The various questions change depending on each player's decisions and that ultimate decision made at the climax.  I'm not asking to know what happens 500 years in the future, or even 50...I think I speak for most people when I say I'd simply like to know about the immediate impact felt across the galaxy.

How did those closest to Shepard react to his decision?  That's a big one, considering just how connected the players are to the characters.  

These are things I would expect.  Even if it's done text epilogue style ala DA:O.  

Modifié par ReavousX, 18 mars 2012 - 06:10 .