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[Syrellaris]

Solotalento wrote...

Regarding the Goliath Weekend and the "community" challenge with 1 mio Brute kills. Since there is no counter of any kind, after the weekend they can tell us anything they want...

What do you think would happen if the challenge was won/lost regarding the PR?

I myself find it hard to trust Bioware regarding the final score. They could change it to whatever suits their needs/PR better.

I would really like to stop people from thinking that these types of events are held to sustain damage or to distract you all from the endings.

These so called conspiracies are just getting laughable at this point. As someone in the goliath thread itself stated.

wolfstanus wrote...

Meruvian wrote...

Delpinolikespotatoes wrote...

I won't fall for this. No multiplayer nor singleplayer untill the ending is fixed.

I agree. Could not bring myself to play it anyway, as the endings would be in the back of my mind.

Cry directly in a jar I'll go drink it at the bar.


How
is a 3 day get the community together to play for 3 days supposed to
distract you from the endings? Do you guys have such bad ADD that you
think it would work? Or is it that the "knee jerk" reaction you are
having has not worn off and you are lashing out at everything they do? 

Hold the line guys they shalt not distract is with.... OH MY GOD SHINY!

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Ouch. This hurts even me. Strongest negative review I've read.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10181353

Damn... They just got literatured!!!

Yet the review says its a great game overal, until the ending. And then the end result is a 2.5 out of 5. Not really a worthwile review in such a case.

The game is great. I'm not worried about that. It's the ending that matters here. The more outsiders that know about this the better.

[Sentr0]

garf wrote...

No Closure

No Sense

No Future

No Choice...

No Money. Hold the Line.

I like this too

[kzao88]

Carnage752 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Ouch. This hurts even me. Strongest negative review I've read.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10181353

Damn... They just got literatured!!!

Carnage that made me lol

[beserker7]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

I see exactly where you're coming from, but I don't think it will do much damage on the protest. Once the weekend "event" is over, people will just be reminded that there's nothing else to do on the game -- since SP is pretty much dead and you can only level up to a certain extent on MP. If anything, the biggest antagonist is simply time. The longer we get no response, the less emotion and will to fight; however, I hope Bioware knows that the longer the wait, the more concrete the feeling of betrayal is. In a month, many will have given up on ME and Bioware.

Your last couple sentences are spot on. Lets say they do nothing and stand by the 3 similar horrific dark death end of galaxy choices they gave us for the ME Universe at the end of ME3. Fine, ME3 ends how Mac, Casey and Bioware want it to, but just let them try and sell another game or license Mass Effect to someone.

I can personally guarantee they will have lost my money and likely the money of hundreds of thousands of customers. I will never by a product that Mac Walters and Casey Hudson are attached too again, unless they make amends for this sick careless treatment of the ME universe and franchise.

Hold the Line.

[atghunter]

MartinPenwald wrote...

Bioware's damage control is really stuck between a rock and a hard place:

On the one hand, they obviously need to wait and see how the entire situation develops. While there already is a great deal of demand for (happy) endings DLC, I'm not sure whether it is enough for Bioware to act on it. Taking it slowly gives them more time to assess the players' response, and the more people ask for it, the more reasonable (from a business perspective) it is for Bioware to deliver.

On the other hand, the longer they wait with "proper" and "committed" responses, the more likely it becomes that people give up on the ME universe and sell ME3 off to Gamestop and co, hurting Bioware's bottom line in the long run, not only from used-games sales, but also because those people obviously won't put any money towards purchases of DLC.

Great post.  This is spot on.  Even if the short term response eventually "outlasts" the disenfranchised consumers, buyers remember.  Its the difference between short term damage control and a long term disconnect with x% of your customers.

No matter how this turns out, no matter what side you're on, the voices here count.  Hour by hour, day by day they count.  Whether it is a short term revision of a product like most want or a modern-day corporate morality tale of things to be wary of in the future, you joined with others to be heard!

Hold the Line
 
 

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

Regarding the Goliath Weekend and the "community" challenge with 1 mio Brute kills. Since there is no counter of any kind, after the weekend they can tell us anything they want...

What do you think would happen if the challenge was won/lost regarding the PR?

I myself find it hard to trust Bioware regarding the final score. They could change it to whatever suits their needs/PR better.

I would really like to stop people from thinking that these types of events are held to sustain damage or to distract you all from the endings.

These so called conspiracies are just getting laughable at this point. As someone in the goliath thread itself stated.

wolfstanus wrote...

Meruvian wrote...

Delpinolikespotatoes wrote...

I won't fall for this. No multiplayer nor singleplayer untill the ending is fixed.

I agree. Could not bring myself to play it anyway, as the endings would be in the back of my mind.

Cry directly in a jar I'll go drink it at the bar.


How
is a 3 day get the community together to play for 3 days supposed to
distract you from the endings? Do you guys have such bad ADD that you
think it would work? Or is it that the "knee jerk" reaction you are
having has not worn off and you are lashing out at everything they do? 

Hold the line guys they shalt not distract is with.... OH MY GOD SHINY!

Sylarris, quit intentionally trying to troll here. You don't have to like our opinions, but you can sure as hell be civil about them.

[Xellith]

someone on the Retake IRC said that his entire guild on Star wars MMO (like 100 ppl) all cancelled subscription at the same time lol.

[Boceephus]

Solotalento wrote...

Regarding the Goliath Weekend and the "community" challenge with 1 mio Brute kills. Since there is no counter of any kind, after the weekend they can tell us anything they want...

What do you think would happen if the challenge was won/lost regarding the PR?

I myself find it hard to trust Bioware regarding the final score. They could change it to whatever suits their needs/PR better.

I think it's safe to say that if 5 people played or 5 million played, they'd say it was a rousing success and hand out mediocre MP weapons so everyone forgets about this silly "ending thing".

The hope is, if enough people hold the line and abstain from MP this weekend, they'll say it's a rousing success publicly, but privately they'll know something not right in the state of fandom.

[ReavousX]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Ouch. This hurts even me. Strongest negative review I've read.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10181353

Damn... They just got literatured!!!

Yet the review says its a great game overal, until the ending. And then the end result is a 2.5 out of 5. Not really a worthwile review in such a case.

I think it's incredibly worthwhile.  Many, many Mass Effect fans are fans because of the story, characters, and other elements of literature that make ME, and the RPG genre shine.  

Mass Effect 3's ending throws it all out the window.  In the closing chapter of the trilogy, they stopped writing at the level at which they are known for, added in some colors, space magic, and a crash landing to keep fans curious.  It was incredibly weak, in my opinion, and tarnishes my entire experience.  

[Syrellaris]

snip

[/quote]
Sylarris, quit intentionally trying to troll here. You don't have to like our opinions, but you can sure as hell be civil about them.

[/quote]


I am being civil, but conspiracy theories regarding a simple event are just getting laughable. This was btw not a troll attempt in anyway, but thanks for thinking that.

[Carnage752]

atghunter wrote...

MartinPenwald wrote...

Bioware's damage control is really stuck between a rock and a hard place:

On the one hand, they obviously need to wait and see how the entire situation develops. While there already is a great deal of demand for (happy) endings DLC, I'm not sure whether it is enough for Bioware to act on it. Taking it slowly gives them more time to assess the players' response, and the more people ask for it, the more reasonable (from a business perspective) it is for Bioware to deliver.

On the other hand, the longer they wait with "proper" and "committed" responses, the more likely it becomes that people give up on the ME universe and sell ME3 off to Gamestop and co, hurting Bioware's bottom line in the long run, not only from used-games sales, but also because those people obviously won't put any money towards purchases of DLC.

Great post.  This is spot on.  Even if the short term response eventually "outlasts" the disenfranchised consumers, buyers remember.  Its the difference between short term damage control and a long term disconnect with x% of your customers.

No matter how this turns out, no matter what side you're on, the voices here count.  Hour by hour, day by day they count.  Whether it is a short term revision of a product like most want or a modern-day corporate morality tale of things to be wary of in the future, you joined with others to be heard!

Hold the Line
 
 

I want them to confirm they have better endings underway. Afterwards, they can take as much time as they want. We want a well developed ending. That's the whole point of this movement.

[punkenjunki3]

SweetJeeba wrote...

Do people actually take these bioware remarks seriously? Nothing is ever addressed, its just a voice that says a whole lot of nothing. If hearing a bioware employee makes you feel better after he never once addresses the ending Im guessing you do not have much life experience Of course you may just continue to vote for politicians based on their word.

I can assure you that i have plenty of life experience, I spent many years working for "the man" and I saw enough obscurity and agenda's there...... I eventually left to become an engineer at sea. Though im failing to see where this has anything thats going on here, people, of all creeds, countries, occupations and age have posted here in concise thought out arguements that they are dissatisfied with the product. That kind of response is not a "voice of nothing" no matter in what way you look at it.

Like all the major game sites are painting we are not whining fanboys, we are consumers who are not willing to take what is in our eyes an unfinished product, a non-ending to a series so highly regarded. If you or anyone else reading this fall into the category of liking the endings, believe me I am truly happy for you because I wish I could have pulled the closure from it that you have. But I cant, and im sorry.


Anyways I came back to say that I have to stop reading these threads for the weekend, I have work to do before tomorrow and I hope in the comming days we will hear something. And as this has been a downer on my shore leave Im left with the prospect when my time comes to head away again I may trade in all my BW products and return from sea looking for something else that could have filled the void, this marks a day and a half since i stopped playing the game, and i predict it will go on longer still.

Holding the line.

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

I am being civil, but conspiracy theories regarding a simple event are just getting laughable. This was btw not a troll attempt in anyway, but thanks for thinking that.

Let us believe what we want to believe. This doesn't have to concern you at all.

[InsaneNarwhal]

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

snip

[/quote]
Sylarris, quit intentionally trying to troll here. You don't have to like our opinions, but you can sure as hell be civil about them.

[/quote]


I am being civil, but conspiracy theories regarding a simple event are just getting laughable. This was btw not a troll attempt in anyway, but thanks for thinking that.

[/quote]

Everyone is assuming the worst because weekend distractors and free stuff are common tactics by companies to distract upset clients all the time. They're just playing it safe and not playing MP at all as one more way to show how bad the ending ruined the games for them.

[Blubbubble]

garf wrote...

No Closure

No Sense

No Future

No Choice...

No Money. Hold the Line.

All the way

[ticklefist]

Syrellaris wrote...

Solotalento wrote...

Regarding the Goliath Weekend and the "community" challenge with 1 mio Brute kills. Since there is no counter of any kind, after the weekend they can tell us anything they want...

What do you think would happen if the challenge was won/lost regarding the PR?

I myself find it hard to trust Bioware regarding the final score. They could change it to whatever suits their needs/PR better.

I would really like to stop people from thinking that these types of events are held to sustain damage or to distract you all from the endings.

These so called conspiracies are just getting laughable at this point. As someone in the goliath thread itself stated.

wolfstanus wrote...

Meruvian wrote...

Delpinolikespotatoes wrote...

I won't fall for this. No multiplayer nor singleplayer untill the ending is fixed.

I agree. Could not bring myself to play it anyway, as the endings would be in the back of my mind.

Cry directly in a jar I'll go drink it at the bar.


How
is a 3 day get the community together to play for 3 days supposed to
distract you from the endings? Do you guys have such bad ADD that you
think it would work? Or is it that the "knee jerk" reaction you are
having has not worn off and you are lashing out at everything they do? 

Hold the line guys they shalt not distract is with.... OH MY GOD SHINY!

I thought it was being done to encourage people to play. To gather statistics they can use in order to put positive spin on how many people are enjoying the game.

To which I gotta say, if I were a prominent blogger my article's title would be, "Bioware touts player numbers during heavily incentivized publicity campaign."

Modifié par ticklefist, 18 mars 2012 - 06:32 .

[cardboardarmor]

I echo Boceephus' sentiments above. The community/movement should not expect a resounding 'victory', if one is even coming, at PAX. Setbacks to our desired goals, stalling actions from PR damage control, and outright silence should be expected not out of a malicious disregard but because the tactics in play are tried and tested.

The people at the PR offices stake their careers and livelihoods on navigating this situation in a manner acceptable to the people who sign their paychecks. I, for one, wouldn't want to hire a PR department that didn't deliver in times like this: While I am not ascribing to establishing a siege mentality, or us-against-them no-prisoners, we should look to the future remembering a line from the movie, The Siege:

"In this game, the most committed wins."

[atghunter]

FreakyProphet wrote...

atghunter wrote...

atghunter,

Everyone knows we're the OPs. It's okay for you to refer to me by my name as opposed to the very inpersonal "someone else" moniker. 

Done and done.   The real problem is my Commodore 64 won't let me page back when I'm typing and I didn't want to mis-spell your name.  Mea Clupa

Sorry if this quote-reply is a bit out of context, I've been sleeping and am just now catching up on what's been said during my night. I just have to get this out:

You are typing all this on a Commodore 64? I am now convinced: you are God, here to grant us our Salvation.

Just an old gamer who's TRS-80 blew up and I replaced it with a top of the line, state of the art, C-64.

And the only clearly omniscient one I've found around here so far was Marauder Shields.  I'm sorry I shot him.

[Kulthar Drax]

I don't know if anyone has seen this particular forbes article on Mass Effect 3, but thought I would post the link here anyway.

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/

[Carnage752]

cardboardarmor wrote...

I echo Boceephus' sentiments above. The community/movement should not expect a resounding 'victory', if one is even coming, at PAX. Setbacks to our desired goals, stalling actions from PR damage control, and outright silence should be expected not out of a malicious disregard but because the tactics in play are tried and tested.

The people at the PR offices stake their careers and livelihoods on navigating this situation in a manner acceptable to the people who sign their paychecks. I, for one, wouldn't want to hire a PR department that didn't deliver in times like this: While I am not ascribing to establishing a siege mentality, or us-against-them no-prisoners, we should look to the future remembering a line from the movie, The Siege:

"In this game, the most committed wins."

This is indeed more or less a siege. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Hicks233]

Xellith wrote...

someone on the Retake IRC said that his entire guild on Star wars MMO (like 100 ppl) all cancelled subscription at the same time lol.

Wow... It's unfortunate for people that are enjoying TOR but it makes an important statement. Was in a games retailer yesterday and asked whether there'd been many returns of ME3. Oh boy there were. The guy behind the counter was trying to have some fun with them by suggesting they get TOR. The responses couldn't be quoted...

[Carnage752]

Kulthar Drax wrote...

I don't know if anyone has seen this particular forbes article on Mass Effect 3, but thought I would post the link here anyway.

www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2012/03/13/mass-effect-3-and-the-pernicious-myth-of-gamer-entitlement/

We have, but thanks for contributing. You see something that you think is new, feel free to post it.

[Razorsteel]

cardboardarmor wrote...

I echo Boceephus' sentiments above. The community/movement should not expect a resounding 'victory', if one is even coming, at PAX. Setbacks to our desired goals, stalling actions from PR damage control, and outright silence should be expected not out of a malicious disregard but because the tactics in play are tried and tested.

The people at the PR offices stake their careers and livelihoods on navigating this situation in a manner acceptable to the people who sign their paychecks. I, for one, wouldn't want to hire a PR department that didn't deliver in times like this: While I am not ascribing to establishing a siege mentality, or us-against-them no-prisoners, we should look to the future remembering a line from the movie, The Siege:

"In this game, the most committed wins."

True, the coming weeks, months will test our resolve.

[Carnage752]

Hicks233 wrote...

Xellith wrote...

someone on the Retake IRC said that his entire guild on Star wars MMO (like 100 ppl) all cancelled subscription at the same time lol.

Wow... It's unfortunate for people that are enjoying TOR but it makes an important statement. Was in a games retailer yesterday and asked whether there'd been many returns of ME3. Oh boy there were. The guy behind the counter was trying to have some fun with them by suggesting they get TOR. The responses couldn't be quoted...

Give them a pat on the back. Every move, no matter how small, is helpful to the movement.