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[Deflagratio]

I'm in full "hold the line" mode now. I'd gladly have played Mass Effect 3 as many times as I played Mass1 and 2 (5+ over their lifetimes).

Now, I can't stand looking at it. Every amazing moment in the game is underscored by the "It doesn't matter because of the ending" fact.

I'm engaged in discussion with a lot of people who were on the fringes of buying it as well, saying it will just cause pain when you reach the ending.

[RazorrX]

Luyza wrote...

Razorsteel wrote...

Enichan wrote...

Question: does the SWTOR account cancellation request a reason for your leaving the game? As in, can I tell them that I'm cancelling because of the ME3 ending?

Yes you can.

You even get an e-mail asking you to participate in a  survey. There you can tell them again. Twice, as I did.

Our choices should matted: Hold the line!

LOL and then you will get an email saying that your companion is missing you!   (at least I did)

The Line is being Held.

[RockyRoberts]

Savber100 wrote...

As I read the posts here, I felt a tingle of hope.

Never before have I seen so many fans so passionate about a series while strongly holding a beloved developer accountable to their actions.

Bioware should be proud. Many fans could have easily just went with the flow of apathy.

Well done ALL! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!

I wholeheartedly agree, Bioware should be proud, as the OP has been edited to reflect: they've made us care with the story they've given us so far, don't sell that story short for whatever reason behind this ending....

[DarthSliver]

I just got done reading the first post with all the edits and such and I will say all that stuff said in the first post was great. I do hope we get them to do something despite that I understand why they went the direction they did go with the ending, well besides the part with Joker randomly running from the Relay. I was just playing Mass Effect 1 again for the second time since I first played on the 360 when the game was first released. I will say this now but I think some of the lines between Sovereign and Shepard hint at why Bioware choose to do the ending they did in ME3. I dont agree with the ME3 endings but after playing ME1 and being able to better piece the series together in away you sorta see reason behind their ME3 chosen ending.

Now I do hope there will be something done about the ending and maybe turning the original ending into one of the endings you can possible get instead of the only one you can get. It would have to be easily accessible and I dont know how it would work either but I see if they do listen and do make it that we would at least have to work at activating said ending to work over the ones they intended.

Modifié par DarthSliver, 18 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Jedifan421]

I just want to say once again, even though I'm not really invested in this personally because I'm done with BioWare and EA, I really am amazed on how quickly and succinctly this movement has come together and stated its goals. It's truly amazing. I really hope that for all your sakes, BioWare does change the ending with DLC. For me though, I'm done. Can't wait for Assassin's Creed 3, Diablo 3, Half Life 3 and other exciting games from a lot of different companies coming out soon.

[Luiginius]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

thoreauscabin wrote...

EA/Bioware are probably laughing so hard at this little "movement" because they know once they announce their next DLC or big game you're all going to forget about ME3's ending and open your wallets.

I guarantee it.

We'll see when that time comes.

Good businessman would see this as an opportunity. Win win for everyone. That is if there are no egos involved.

Modifié par Luiginius, 18 mars 2012 - 07:35 .

[Carnage752]

Legion211 wrote...

Something that may be worrying for a few of you is that BioWare has been VERY quiet about this. That may be their strategy, sacrifice the game's profits - hell, the whole franchise, and wait out the user-base.

Hold the line.

They are probably assessing the situation according to ATG. We didn't expect a quick response, but we expect a response.

[Humanwreck]

Just shelfed the game. I have a shelf of over 70 Xbox 360 games and I still have like 10 of the ones I´m playing going to play sitting next to my xbox for easy access. This must be a record for me shelfing a game a good game at that. Usually when I shelf a game it means I don´t want to play it now or even the immediate future. This one was a hard one to do because I really do want to play it only if the ending wasn´t so damn zombifiengly bad.

I´m not going to be getting any DLC before this is corrected. Even the free ones are going to be left alone.

No closure, No money!
Hold the line!

[Promchek]

Legion211 wrote...

I'm not a troll. I just don't see what the big deal is with this. If you look at the bigger picture, it's just a video game. Not a life and death situation.

then, what do you care? You don't see the point? Fine for me.

But i see. For me the motivation is simple: I don't want to get more crap, so i will not defend crap. I am already getting too much... so in words of Picard in First COntact: "The line must be drawn here, this far and noth farther..." And we will be here holding it, since we do care.

[Salyut]

I was wondering if there's any way of estimating somewhat successfully how much influence we've had so far financially.

There are several post of people who've returned their game/cancelled their SWTOR subs/convinced others not to buy ME3/etc. I've also heard people talk about losing whole guilds in SWTOR because of this. Is there any way of estimating the numbers of subscribes/unsubscribes over the past week compared to before ME3? Or the number of ME3 games returned?

[Syrellaris]

[quote]atghunter wrote...

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]Solotalento wrote...

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While I believe Goliath was probably always planned (and things like the SW weekend were not IMO), it is just as logical that Goliath was a firewall promotion which could be repurposed.  PR folks are paid to plan for contingencies, not just respond to crisis.  To not design long-term sales campaigns forecasting success and failure scenarios would have been illogical. 
 
[/quote]

I can assure you the Star Wars The old Republic weekend was planned. It was announced before mass effect 3 even got released. Subscribers like myself recieved an email about it

[ed87]

When i walk past a game retailer, i will go in and ask to return my copy of ME3 on the PC even if i didnt buy it from them. The answer is always no for the PC version due to online activation, but the reactions are always worth it. Some are surprised, some are not. But im doing my part to make it common knowledge that buyers are not happy with it

[cinderburster]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Welp, personally, I love DA2. And yet, I loath the ending of ME3.

The difference being that, while there is no account for taste (some liked DA2, some didn'tm because of that), the ending of ME3 had nothing to do with taste: the public opinion is a universal reaction towards the ending.

I'm in the same boat as you.  DA2 didn't offend me in the slightest.  Were there some problems?  Yes.  Was the ending basically a choice between two outcomes?  Yes.  But it was very clearly the middle (or precursor to the middle, is DA meant to be a trilogy?) of the story.  I felt that the characters were handled well.  Since it wasn't the grand finale I found giving us two choices at the end to be acceptable.

ME3 now... the reasons the Retake Movement gives for wanting the ending changed (or at the very least clarified in a logical manner) are exactly what I feel.

[Siegdrifa]

My opinion on 1 leader for the movement.

I'm getting worry about the bad press the movement can get because some isolated evil people would insulte rather than express themself in civil way.

The mass effect retake movement was full of "naive" (i mean it in a good way) people that have no idea how "comunication" and PR works, and their genuin enthusiam can back stab them quiet easly.

Having 1 official voice could help to keep the integrity of the movement by officialy condamning the isolate uncivil case in the account of all people to don't want those bad influences break they work and hope.

It could be also more easy for Bioware to get in touch with a major party of the insatisfied fan (i assume everybody are Bioware fan first and doesn't wish to fight them, but support them, and Bioware could return the favor may be...) and have key points about the claim of this movement if they are willing to "spare" a little room for the fan.

[ed87]

RockyRoberts wrote...

Savber100 wrote...

As I read the posts here, I felt a tingle of hope.

Never before have I seen so many fans so passionate about a series while strongly holding a beloved developer accountable to their actions.

Bioware should be proud. Many fans could have easily just went with the flow of apathy.

Well done ALL! KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!

I wholeheartedly agree, Bioware should be proud, as the OP has been edited to reflect: they've made us care with the story they've given us so far, don't sell that story short for whatever reason behind this ending....

Its safe to say that Mass Effect is bigger than Bioware itself

[vigna]

Legion211 wrote...

Something that may be worrying for a few of you is that BioWare has been VERY quiet about this. That may be their strategy, sacrifice the game's profits - hell, the whole franchise, and wait out the user-base.

Hold the line.

that is standard PR strategy after the initial movement started late last week (Thursday/friday 8/9th  I'm guessing?).......Hudson posted a message late Friday, and now they are watching and waiting for this week to see if the masses die down, or if it grows.

Modifié par vigna, 18 mars 2012 - 07:44 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

ed87 wrote...

When i walk past a game retailer, i will go in and ask to return my copy of ME3 on the PC even if i didnt buy it from them. The answer is always no for the PC version due to online activation, but the reactions are always worth it. Some are surprised, some are not. But im doing my part to make it common knowledge that buyers are not happy with it

Good for you.

Hold the line for as long as it takes.

[InsaneNarwhal]

Siegdrifa wrote...

My opinion on 1 leader for the movement.

I'm getting worry about the bad press the movement can get because some isolated evil people would insulte rather than express themself in civil way.

The mass effect retake movement was full of "naive" (i mean it in a good way) people that have no idea how "comunication" and PR works, and their genuin enthusiam can back stab them quiet easly.

Having 1 official voice could help to keep the integrity of the movement by officialy condamning the isolate uncivil case in the account of all people to don't want those bad influences break they work and hope.

It could be also more easy for Bioware to get in touch with a major party of the insatisfied fan (i assume everybody are Bioware fan first and doesn't wish to fight them, but support them, and Bioware could return the favor may be...) and have key points about the claim of this movement if they are willing to "spare" a little room for the fan.

It is not a good idea to have a leader. This is a community of equals expressing their genuine distaste for how a favorite video game series was handled in the closing minutes. A leader is very easily made a target. It is not hard to communicate with the community. If anything, we spread the word. 

[Carnage752]

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]atghunter wrote...

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]Solotalento wrote...

snip


    
While I believe Goliath was probably always planned (and things like the SW weekend were not IMO), it is just as logical that Goliath was a firewall promotion which could be repurposed.  PR folks are paid to plan for contingencies, not just respond to crisis.  To not design long-term sales campaigns forecasting success and failure scenarios would have been illogical. 
 
[/quote]

I can assure you the Star Wars The old Republic weekend was planned. It was announced before mass effect 3 even got released. Subscribers like myself recieved an email about it

[/quote]
And now notice how the advertsising for it has stepped up alot?

Just saying, I've never even heard of it till after the ending crisis started.

[Carnage752]

Siegdrifa wrote...

My opinion on 1 leader for the movement.

I'm getting worry about the bad press the movement can get because some isolated evil people would insulte rather than express themself in civil way.

The mass effect retake movement was full of "naive" (i mean it in a good way) people that have no idea how "comunication" and PR works, and their genuin enthusiam can back stab them quiet easly.

Having 1 official voice could help to keep the integrity of the movement by officialy condamning the isolate uncivil case in the account of all people to don't want those bad influences break they work and hope.

It could be also more easy for Bioware to get in touch with a major party of the insatisfied fan (i assume everybody are Bioware fan first and doesn't wish to fight them, but support them, and Bioware could return the favor may be...) and have key points about the claim of this movement if they are willing to "spare" a little room for the fan.

Facebook command. Nuff' said. Check it out.

[Drasoini]

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

My opinion on 1 leader for the movement.

I'm getting worry about the bad press the movement can get because some isolated evil people would insulte rather than express themself in civil way.

The mass effect retake movement was full of "naive" (i mean it in a good way) people that have no idea how "comunication" and PR works, and their genuin enthusiam can back stab them quiet easly.

Having 1 official voice could help to keep the integrity of the movement by officialy condamning the isolate uncivil case in the account of all people to don't want those bad influences break they work and hope.

It could be also more easy for Bioware to get in touch with a major party of the insatisfied fan (i assume everybody are Bioware fan first and doesn't wish to fight them, but support them, and Bioware could return the favor may be...) and have key points about the claim of this movement if they are willing to "spare" a little room for the fan.

It is not a good idea to have a leader. This is a community of equals expressing their genuine distaste for how a favorite video game series was handled in the closing minutes. A leader is very easily made a target. It is not hard to communicate with the community. If anything, we spread the word. 

I'm of a mind with Narwhale.  Let us continue to show that the community as a whole is civil, controlled, and focused on one goal.  There's no need for us to show a singular figure, as that would give EA/Bioware someone to target.  Stand strong, stand together.

[Legion211]

Operation Goliath. Kill 1,000,000 Brutes worldwide.

Total Mission Failure.

Hold the Line.

[Carnage752]

Salyut wrote...

I was wondering if there's any way of estimating somewhat successfully how much influence we've had so far financially.

There are several post of people who've returned their game/cancelled their SWTOR subs/convinced others not to buy ME3/etc. I've also heard people talk about losing whole guilds in SWTOR because of this. Is there any way of estimating the numbers of subscribes/unsubscribes over the past week compared to before ME3? Or the number of ME3 games returned?

That would have to come from Bioware itself. Or someone with access to their financial records.