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[Jamie9]

Siegdrifa wrote...

My opinion on 1 leader for the movement.

I'm getting worry about the bad press the movement can get because some isolated evil people would insulte rather than express themself in civil way.

The mass effect retake movement was full of "naive" (i mean it in a good way) people that have no idea how "comunication" and PR works, and their genuin enthusiam can back stab them quiet easly.

Having 1 official voice could help to keep the integrity of the movement by officialy condamning the isolate uncivil case in the account of all people to don't want those bad influences break they work and hope.

It could be also more easy for Bioware to get in touch with a major party of the insatisfied fan (i assume everybody are Bioware fan first and doesn't wish to fight them, but support them, and Bioware could return the favor may be...) and have key points about the claim of this movement if they are willing to "spare" a little room for the fan.

At the moment, the movement seems to be doing fine as a group, but I agree that if it starts to lose its way, a leader may be necessary. It would have to be someone very dedicated, and fairly versed with PR and how BioWare would work.

For instance, I am very dedicated, but my knowledge of PR was almost non-existant before this movement. This makes me a good leader for morale, but a terrible leader for the movement.

(not meant to seem big-headed, just an example I am using)

In a way, I was very naive on how this would work, before others began to enlighten me, so your words ring very true.

[Siegdrifa]

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

My opinion on 1 leader for the movement.

I'm getting worry about the bad press the movement can get because some isolated evil people would insulte rather than express themself in civil way.

The mass effect retake movement was full of "naive" (i mean it in a good way) people that have no idea how "comunication" and PR works, and their genuin enthusiam can back stab them quiet easly.

Having 1 official voice could help to keep the integrity of the movement by officialy condamning the isolate uncivil case in the account of all people to don't want those bad influences break they work and hope.

It could be also more easy for Bioware to get in touch with a major party of the insatisfied fan (i assume everybody are Bioware fan first and doesn't wish to fight them, but support them, and Bioware could return the favor may be...) and have key points about the claim of this movement if they are willing to "spare" a little room for the fan.

It is not a good idea to have a leader. This is a community of equals expressing their genuine distaste for how a favorite video game series was handled in the closing minutes. A leader is very easily made a target. It is not hard to communicate with the community. If anything, we spread the word. 

What bother me is when every time a random troll act against Bioware in a uncivilled way, it's the opportunity of the detraktor to state "this just how bad you are, he is one of them"...
I like civil discution and can agree to desagree, but i hate when some people can have a sneaky agena and put all the crap of other on your hands.

[Versus Omnibus]

Legion211 wrote...

Operation Goliath. Kill 1,000,000 Brutes worldwide.

Total Mission Failure.

Hold the Line.

Do you have a link for that? If true, that shows our cause is working!!

[RockyRoberts]

I guess you could say that ed87...the amount of love on the ME forums is hard to evade


...Yes I will hold.
The Line.

[Carnage752]

Legion211 wrote...

Operation Goliath. Kill 1,000,000 Brutes worldwide.

Total Mission Failure.

Hold the Line.

We were too busy.

Holding the line.

[Oddlyotter]

This thread moves wayyyyyy too fast.

[Enichan]

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

[cinderburster]

BrotherWarth wrote...

cinderburster wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

Welp, personally, I love DA2. And yet, I loath the ending of ME3.

The difference being that, while there is no account for taste (some liked DA2, some didn'tm because of that), the ending of ME3 had nothing to do with taste: the public opinion is a universal reaction towards the ending.

I'm in the same boat as you.  DA2 didn't offend me in the slightest.  Were there some problems?  Yes.  Was the ending basically a choice between two outcomes?  Yes.

DA2 has one ending. It doesn't matter who you side with, it's the same in the end.

I'll give you that.  I say "two outcomes" because in the canon of your personal Hawke, either he sided with the mages or he didn't.  While the overall outcome is the same, the choice still affects it slightly.  Whether you keep your sister or not, for instance.  Whether Anders attacks you or not.  Whether Fenris attacks you or not.

Modifié par cinderburster, 18 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Almostfaceman]

This is a great place to spam it, if we want to get organized there's a group here.

If you want to mail in your comments on the game there's an address and an email address here.

There's a great "Hold the Line" video here.

There's some fantastic reviews here and here in case you get tired of constantly writing over and over again to the folks who feel to make their own thread about why they like the game.   

[Legion211]

No. It's just what I'm assuming, as many people aren't doing the multiplayer. We're too busy holding the line.

Hold the line.

Modifié par Legion211, 18 mars 2012 - 07:48 .

[Jamie9]

Which is why we will dismiss the trolls, ignore them, and then report them. We can't acknowledge them as part of the Line. If we do acknowledge them, lets do it civilly and try to help them understand.

For the most part, people are doing this already, I'm just restating it again, to add my voice.

Our choices should matter: Hold the Line.

[Carnage752]

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

[Carnage752]

Almostfaceman wrote...

This is a great place to spam it, if we want to get organized there's a group here.

If you want to mail in your comments on the game there's an address and an email address here.

There's a great "Hold the Line" video here.

There's some fantastic reviews here and here in case you get tired of constantly writing over and over again to the folks who feel to make their own thread about why they like the game.   

Faceman, top link is donation drive, not actual group. Actual group is here

social.bioware.com/group/7085

[Versus Omnibus]

Legion211 wrote...

No. It's just what I'm assuming, as many people aren't doing the multiplayer. We're too busy holding the line.

Hold the line.

Either way, if that what Operation Goliath was for then it shows that we aren't a "minority". Hold the line, men! Hold the line!

[vigna]

Siegdrifa wrote...

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

Siegdrifa wrote...

My opinion on 1 leader for the movement.

I'm getting worry about the bad press the movement can get because some isolated evil people would insulte rather than express themself in civil way.

The mass effect retake movement was full of "naive" (i mean it in a good way) people that have no idea how "comunication" and PR works, and their genuin enthusiam can back stab them quiet easly.

Having 1 official voice could help to keep the integrity of the movement by officialy condamning the isolate uncivil case in the account of all people to don't want those bad influences break they work and hope.

It could be also more easy for Bioware to get in touch with a major party of the insatisfied fan (i assume everybody are Bioware fan first and doesn't wish to fight them, but support them, and Bioware could return the favor may be...) and have key points about the claim of this movement if they are willing to "spare" a little room for the fan.

It is not a good idea to have a leader. This is a community of equals expressing their genuine distaste for how a favorite video game series was handled in the closing minutes. A leader is very easily made a target. It is not hard to communicate with the community. If anything, we spread the word. 

What bother me is when every time a random troll act against Bioware in a uncivilled way, it's the opportunity of the detraktor to state "this just how bad you are, he is one of them"...
I like civil discution and can agree to desagree, but i hate when some people can have a sneaky agena and put all the crap of other on your hands.

This will continue no matter what. that is the nature of  some people ...especially on the  faceless internet.

[Legion211]

Jamie9 wrote...

Which is why we will dismiss the trolls, ignore them, and then report them. We can't acknowledge them as part of the Line. If we do acknowledge them, lets do it civilly and try to help them understand.

For the most part, people are doing this already, I'm just restating it again, to add my voice.

Our choices should matter: Hold the Line.

^ I hath understood. I hope others will as well.

Hold the line.

[the crazy chikn]

To all those losing hope for the fight to retake ME3, we can't give up!  We need to keep our opinions known and circulating throughout the forums and other social/media sites.  If we give up, then we will see the franchise we know and love fade in to time, and the glory of the series will be forever overshadowed by a series of unfortunate, anti-climactic, and unsatisfying endings. 

The end of ME3 did no justice to the series that should have gone down in history as one of the best sci-fi trilogies in ever, but if we keep up the push, if we keep fighting for the endings we know this series deserves, we may yet see our beloved games adorn the halls of fame!  WE can not give up! 

What would your Shepard do? Would he bow down and accept defeat? Would he let his beliefs be compromised by seemingly undefeatable odds?  Or would he stand up, and fight for what he believes in?  My Shepard would fight until the last breath for his beliefs and I will too.  I refuse to let Shepards story, MY story, end like this! 

If the worldwide outcry of countless  voices fades, then we all will have lost; both EA/BioWare and the unsatisfied consumers.  Please, keep fighting for what you belive in, no matter your position in this struggle, and show EA/BioWare that THEIR loyal fans are fighting for their game and ours.

Show them that it is worth fighting for!

   

[Carnage752]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Legion211 wrote...

No. It's just what I'm assuming, as many people aren't doing the multiplayer. We're too busy holding the line.

Hold the line.

Either way, if that what Operation Goliath was for then it shows that we aren't a "minority". Hold the line, men! Hold the line!

They might just end up lieing about it.

[Hydralysk]

maideltq wrote...

Humanwreck wrote...

I can´t get myself to play the story mode anymore. Yeah the journey really was great and all it had its flaws sure but I think I´ve never felt this empty before and because of a video game for that matter. Sure I have spent countless hours playing multiplayer and it is nice and all, but the more I think of it it´s because I liked the game hell I loved it until the ending and I did shell out 90 euros for the N7 edition of the game so I really want to get my moneys worth.

I did a review for ME 3 half a week ago and gave it 90/100 losing a couple of points on the small annoyances I had with the game(including the unmasking of Tali) and the rest for the ending. But now the ending just eats at me more and more and I can´t find joy in the journey anymore and it actually started to degrade my opinion of even the earlier games. I have to say that I played the first Mass Effect more than I even like to admit. I had 6 different Shepards and all of them went through the story more than once. The same with the second game.

I started my Mass Effect 3 experience with the Shepard that I modeled after me. Sure he isn´t as chubby as I was when I started playing but still he was me as much as he possibly could be. I laughed and cried during the game and when the end came I just stood there looking at my options without really wanting to do anything. I watched the ending video and was just baffled with what I had just witnessed and I still don´t comprehend it. That night when I was laying in my bed unable to sleep I came up with a theory that was actually really close to the (in)famous Indoctrination theory. I know deep inside that believing it is just stupid and will just leave me empty if it doesn´t hold true but my brain no my whole being just doesn´t want to believe that the ending really is the ending.

I don´t know if anyone else has taken this as bad as me as it left me zombified, but if it has I hope that the men and women of Bioware don´t take it too hard because if they do care about us(which I do believe they do. As I´m speaking of the individual not the corporate machine) it must be hard to see that something you´ve created do something like this to people.

This was actually going to be just a few sentences long but it seems that instead of emptyness inside I just have this need to get my story out there. To see that I´m not the only one, I just want my life back to be perfectly honest. Lucky for me I haven´t had any school or work for two weeks because the only thing I have been able to do for the past week has been just trying to make sense of it all.

So please Bioware give me the closure I need even if it isn´t ingame I just have to know.

Hold the line
Sincerely
Jens Olsen

I feel you....don't know...the 3 endings are just.....don't even feel you acomplished anything.

Believe me, that emptiness you felt was the exact same feeling I got.

[Darkeus]

calitreview.com/24673

Interesting article about the game from a literary standpoint. 

Also, don't give up people.  The reason they are using delay tactics is to wear us out.  Time softens anger usually.  You have to keep pushing or they win from biding their time.  This is not the time to give up in despair.  This is the time to keep pushing forward and don't give them a chance to breathe....

Hold the Line, and I hope you are not playing Mulitplayer this weekend....  

Modifié par Darkeus, 18 mars 2012 - 07:54 .

[Carnage752]

the crazy chikn wrote...

To all those losing hope for the fight to retake ME3, we can't give up!  We need to keep our opinions known and circulating throughout the forums and other social/media sites.  If we give up, then we will see the franchise we know and love fade in to time, and the glory of the series will be forever overshadowed by a series of unfortunate, anti-climactic, and unsatisfying endings. 

The end of ME3 did no justice to the series that should have gone down in history as one of the best sci-fi trilogies in ever, but if we keep up the push, if we keep fighting for the endings we know this series deserves, we may yet see our beloved games adorn the halls of fame!  WE can not give up! 

What would your Shepard do? Would he bow down and accept defeat? Would he let his beliefs be compromised by seemingly undefeatable odds?  Or would he stand up, and fight for what he believes in?  My Shepard would fight until the last breath for his beliefs and I will too.  I refuse to let Shepards story, MY story, end like this! 

If the worldwide outcry of countless  voices fades, then we all will have lost; both EA/BioWare and the unsatisfied consumers.  Please, keep fighting for what you belive in, no matter your position in this struggle, and show EA/BioWare that THEIR loyal fans are fighting for their game and ours.

Show them that it is worth fighting for!

   

Bud, I'm not losing it any time soon.

[InsaneNarwhal]

the crazy chikn wrote...

To all those losing hope for the fight to retake ME3, we can't give up!  We need to keep our opinions known and circulating throughout the forums and other social/media sites.  If we give up, then we will see the franchise we know and love fade in to time, and the glory of the series will be forever overshadowed by a series of unfortunate, anti-climactic, and unsatisfying endings. 

The end of ME3 did no justice to the series that should have gone down in history as one of the best sci-fi trilogies in ever, but if we keep up the push, if we keep fighting for the endings we know this series deserves, we may yet see our beloved games adorn the halls of fame!  WE can not give up! 

What would your Shepard do? Would he bow down and accept defeat? Would he let his beliefs be compromised by seemingly undefeatable odds?  Or would he stand up, and fight for what he believes in?  My Shepard would fight until the last breath for his beliefs and I will too.  I refuse to let Shepards story, MY story, end like this! 

If the worldwide outcry of countless  voices fades, then we all will have lost; both EA/BioWare and the unsatisfied consumers.  Please, keep fighting for what you belive in, no matter your position in this struggle, and show EA/BioWare that THEIR loyal fans are fighting for their game and ours.

Show them that it is worth fighting for!

   

+2 Paragon

[vigna]

Almostfaceman wrote...

This is a great place to spam it, if we want to get organized there's a group here.

If you want to mail in your comments on the game there's an address and an email address here.

There's a great "Hold the Line" video here.

There's some fantastic reviews here and here in case you get tired of constantly writing over and over again to the folks who feel to make their own thread about why they like the game.   

thanks for that.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

maideltq wrote...

Humanwreck wrote...

I can´t get myself to play the story mode anymore. Yeah the journey really was great and all it had its flaws sure but I think I´ve never felt this empty before and because of a video game for that matter. Sure I have spent countless hours playing multiplayer and it is nice and all, but the more I think of it it´s because I liked the game hell I loved it until the ending and I did shell out 90 euros for the N7 edition of the game so I really want to get my moneys worth.

I did a review for ME 3 half a week ago and gave it 90/100 losing a couple of points on the small annoyances I had with the game(including the unmasking of Tali) and the rest for the ending. But now the ending just eats at me more and more and I can´t find joy in the journey anymore and it actually started to degrade my opinion of even the earlier games. I have to say that I played the first Mass Effect more than I even like to admit. I had 6 different Shepards and all of them went through the story more than once. The same with the second game.

I started my Mass Effect 3 experience with the Shepard that I modeled after me. Sure he isn´t as chubby as I was when I started playing but still he was me as much as he possibly could be. I laughed and cried during the game and when the end came I just stood there looking at my options without really wanting to do anything. I watched the ending video and was just baffled with what I had just witnessed and I still don´t comprehend it. That night when I was laying in my bed unable to sleep I came up with a theory that was actually really close to the (in)famous Indoctrination theory. I know deep inside that believing it is just stupid and will just leave me empty if it doesn´t hold true but my brain no my whole being just doesn´t want to believe that the ending really is the ending.

I don´t know if anyone else has taken this as bad as me as it left me zombified, but if it has I hope that the men and women of Bioware don´t take it too hard because if they do care about us(which I do believe they do. As I´m speaking of the individual not the corporate machine) it must be hard to see that something you´ve created do something like this to people.

This was actually going to be just a few sentences long but it seems that instead of emptyness inside I just have this need to get my story out there. To see that I´m not the only one, I just want my life back to be perfectly honest. Lucky for me I haven´t had any school or work for two weeks because the only thing I have been able to do for the past week has been just trying to make sense of it all.

So please Bioware give me the closure I need even if it isn´t ingame I just have to know.

Hold the line
Sincerely
Jens Olsen

I feel you....don't know...the 3 endings are just.....don't even feel you acomplished anything.

That is why I can't even look at any of my Mass Effect games any more.  I have not felt this gutted since the Star Wars prequels came out,the only reason i own them is because of the Rifftrax.  EA and Bioware do not get another cent of my money until they make this right.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Drasoini]

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

Yes and no, Carnage.  I think what we're seeing here is analogous to a multiplayer match (Bear with me here).  You're an Asari Vanguard, specced into Stasis with a Mantis.  There's a Brute on the field.  You don't focus on the Brute, your weapon and Biotics aren't built for it, you focus on the Marauders, the Cannibals, the Husks.  You lock them down and snipe their foreheads.  You let your team work on the Brute.  You work where your strengths are and not where you're all but useless.  That's how they are handling these situations.  They are picking their fights based on the strengths they and their team possess.