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[Hydralysk]

Carnage752 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Just gonna ask this again, if there's anyone here with the skills/time to create some sort of Retake Mass Effect community site I think it would really help our cause. Not something fancy, just a place where we can outline our mission statements and post the old and new articles as they come out and also a link to our Child's Play donation page. This way we don't need to rely on someone having links handy to see how we're progressing.

I think this would go a long way to consolidate our movement under one banner.

Facebook is working on that. Don't worry, we will get the call when we are needed.

Of course facebook is, I swore to myself never to make a facebook account but hearing this has me sorely tempted. I really wish I could blame Bioware for this........so I will! 

For shame Bioware, for shame.

[Carnage752]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

It seems to me that some parts of Mass Effect 3 have a slight hint of being unfinished and slapped together at the last minute. most of it is wonderful just a few little things

• Tali's face gaff (Waited 5 years and got a stock model photo. A shame but forgivable)
• Multiplayer problems mentiond above
• Character Face import issues (Don't know if this affects anyone else but I couldn't carry my Shepards face over had to reconstruct it sort of cheapened my experience as it wasn't quite my Shepard.)
• Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged

[*]One thing at a time guys.
[*]Crap yoou got me bulleted!!

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

"Truth DLC confirmed false"

https://twitter.com/...035997151232000

[Legion211]

And Synthesis is a joke. It's basically the same thing as "control the Reapers", except for a different colored wave and people have tech fused on their skin somehow. The Reapers leave spontaneously, Shepard is vaporized, and the Relays are shut down. So basically, you only get two endings - both of which are herridible.

Holding the line.

[Hydralysk]

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

"Truth DLC confirmed false"

https://twitter.com/...035997151232000

I think most people in these forums have realized by now the ending is not a giant marketing move, Bioware just messed up the ending HARD.

[ed87]

Guys, lets not call people trolls?

I like the idea of calling out trolling behaviour such as "youre clearly trolling", but to label them as a troll is essentially name-calling.

[Salyut]

Malchat wrote...

I was ready to wash my hands of this whole thing but talking with a few folks here and reading through this fascinating thread, I've come around.

I want to be part of this movement and add a small voice. Not just for this game but to make a point to the gaming industry at large about their business practices.

Please continue this analysis - it really has a galvanizing effect.

I hope I'm not the only one archiving these posts in case censorship becomes a factor to contend with.

Thanks! Good to have you on board

[Lil One]

Almostfaceman wrote...
<snip>
There's some fantastic reviews here and here
in case you get tired of constantly writing over and over again to the
folks who feel to make their own thread about why they like the game. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/tongue.png[/smilie] [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie] [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

Had not seen the second one.  Must say that the first minute of it reflect my personal feelings very well.

    ...etc...  Then...

[ahandsomeshark]

Legion211 wrote...

I'm not being insulting. I used "get a life" in a context that was not trying to be derogative or insulting. I apologize.

And why am I here? I'm trying to open your eyes. Petitioning a company to change an ending isn't going to do anything. Do you really think they will change the ending? Do you know how bad that will make the company look?

Please, wasting time and effort on this "hold the line" is unneeded. Isn't there more constructive ways to pass the time?

This isn't really true. The easiest way to get something to change is through $$$$. Spreading awareness to different numbers they use to gauge their $$$ and convincing people to stop spending their money makes a big difference. If some ten thousand people suddenly stop playing any games on origin that's likely to make a difference.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Malchat wrote...

I was ready to wash my hands of this whole thing but talking with a few folks here and reading through this fascinating thread, I've come around.

I want to be part of this movement and add a small voice. Not just for this game but to make a point to the gaming industry at large about their business practices.

Please continue this analysis - it really has a galvanizing effect.

I hope I'm not the only one archiving these posts in case censorship becomes a factor to contend with.

Thank you for joining us.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Fallenfromthesky]

Carnage752 wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

It seems to me that some parts of Mass Effect 3 have a slight hint of being unfinished and slapped together at the last minute. most of it is wonderful just a few little things

• Tali's face gaff (Waited 5 years and got a stock model photo. A shame but forgivable)
  
• Multiplayer problems mentiond above
  
• Character Face import issues (Don't know if this affects anyone else but I couldn't carry my Shepards face over had to reconstruct it sort of cheapened my experience as it wasn't quite my Shepard.)
  
• Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged

[*]One thing at a time guys.

[*]Crap yoou got me bulleted!!

I am the bullet point ninja BOOM.

Im just say that maybe BW will adress some of these issues before they even consider the ending just to try and placate some fans.

Hold the Line

[atghunter]

Optimus J wrote...

Atghunter, that is the probable flow of the situation, in a PR universe. But the goal of a company is not to have entries of how awesome it was in history books. Is to succeed and make money.

And no matter the PR outcome projections are coming for them, having good reviews and the favors of the press generates revenues only for the said press and not the company. In which I insist on the key I'm pressing since the start:

When the time comes to weight those actions in the company budget it will be HEAVY, and no executive will give a damn about how the press depict the guy that is responsible for the red numbers.

We already had the panic button pushed ONCE, when their prices dropped to generate a false report of successful sells. That might, AGAIN, look well for people outside the company, but when comes for expanding and allocating R&D money, the executives will face the lower-than-projected numbers, and will find a target for their anger.

And the panic button is in route to be pushed AGAIN. How much time do you think this PR firestorm will be able to hold the wrath of their bosses INSIDE the company, since our actions are reflecting in EA losses each day that situation lingers? The supposed next DLC will be halted or free, because there is no way to sell it.

A good perspective.  To answer, your last question, I don't know.  Give me all the data EA will have on Tuesday and I could read the tea leaves.  Most executives certainly don't make policy decisions based on the PR spin.  They want hard data from accountants, guys crunching the production numbers, and sales analysts.  That said, and its been discussed, long-term fallout is always a consideration in these maneuvers. 

[zsom]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Great news!  I don't have highspeed so I can't play online but how much does TOR cost a month?  If more and more people do this Bioware will be losing a lot of money not just from Mass Effect three but on a month by month basis for the whole company.  We can win if we stick together and don't cave and don't fall for the spin.

You do realize that with this you are screwing over a bunch of people who had nothing to do with ME, right? Even a bunch of players who will now be stranded on a desolate server with no way to transfer their chars to a more heavily populated one. Great news indeed..

[Luiginius]

Many here are already  familiar with this, but for those who aren't.
twitter.com/#%21/HarbyTheReaper

Modifié par Luiginius, 18 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[Enichan]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

It seems to me that some parts of Mass Effect 3 have a slight hint of being unfinished and slapped together at the last minute. most of it is wonderful just a few little things

• Tali's face gaff (Waited 5 years and got a stock model photo. A shame but forgivable)
• Multiplayer problems mentiond above
• Character Face import issues (Don't know if this affects anyone else but I couldn't carry my Shepards face over had to reconstruct it sort of cheapened my experience as it wasn't quite my Shepard.)
• Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged

Oh yeah, I forgot to add the face import bug. Mostly because it was fixed by the community in an at least relatively satisfactory way.

[Syrellaris]

[quote]Carnage752 wrote...

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]atghunter wrote...

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]Solotalento wrote...

snip


    
While I believe Goliath was probably always planned (and things like the SW weekend were not IMO), it is just as logical that Goliath was a firewall promotion which could be repurposed.  PR folks are paid to plan for contingencies, not just respond to crisis.  To not design long-term sales campaigns forecasting success and failure scenarios would have been illogical. 
 
[/quote]

I can assure you the Star Wars The old Republic weekend was planned. It was announced before mass effect 3 even got released. Subscribers like myself recieved an email about it

[/quote]
And now notice how the advertsising for it has stepped up alot?

Just saying, I've never even heard of it till after the ending crisis started.

[/quote]

I think your looking a slight bit to much for something that maybe is not there. The entire SW:ToR game is done by a completely different team from Bioware. The sales and advertisement department of bioware also have nothing to do with the game releases and or development. There job, as in any other company regardless of product, is to advertise and sell the product.

Which is what they have been doing since the release of SW:ToR.  This weekend deal was planned because they noticed it is a good working strategy that Blizzard / Activision applied to world of warcraft, there is no harm in it.

They also advertise a lot more due to a big Content patch (1.2) is upcoming and they want to draw players back into SW:ToR.

This is also the reason why i have been stating that people here on the mass effect boards are trying a little to hard to find reasons to back up there claims for mass effect 3 to the point it perhaps is just getting slightly out of hand.

[atghunter]

Jedifan421 wrote...

I just want to say first of all that I'm a long time BioWare fan since the first KOTOR game and EA fan since the early 2000's and have been until now. I'm also a first time poster on these great forums after registering 24 hours ago. First, I'd like to say that I honestly enjoyed the hell out of 95% of Mass Effect 3 with everthing from the big to little moments of the story to the much improved combat to the improved planet scanning with the exception of stuff like Tali's face revealed and some of the romances and journal system and Chobot's weak voice acting.

And then I saw the ending.

At first, like some, I thought, okay, these endings weren't THAT bad. But then, I started thinking some more and then some more after that and realized that I felt...so...unsatisfied and let down by the ending. All three of them. All three of the "perfect" endings. Everything has already been said about how the endings basically makes no sense, betray the established themes of all three games and show that your choices, beyond your EMS, don't matter, in this thread that I've read voraciously over the past 2 days and many others.

Because of this, all that I've thought about over the past 5 days since I beat the game has been the endings. I just...couldn't believe BioWare and EA could be so...lazy...I guess is the right word, in a series that certainly doesn't reward you for being lazy and only doing the bare minimum which is what the ending of this game felt to me. A lazy effort. Lazy storytelling. Lazy programming. Everything felt rushed and lazy.

Because of this, I'm sorry to whoever takes offense but I just can't buy another BioWare/EA product again. I honestly can't because at the end of the day, PAID DLC (because don't think for a second EA will let BioWare release free DLC) can't truly fix the ending for me in a meaningful way or get rid of the feelings I have for these companies now and the "betrayal" I guess you can say of promises I felt would be kept. It may be pure capitalism in the works for them to make the ending they did only to make DLC to change it later and/or just DLC for the other parts of the game but that doesn't mean it doesn't still suck.

However, kudos to the OPs of the thread and atghunter and others for their inside knowledge and kudos to the civil discussion and organization going on with websites like Forbes and CNN picking up on the movement and portraying it in a positive light ironically compared to most mainstream gaming journalists. I may not care about DLC at this point because of my own personal feelings but for those who do, know I support this cause and hope you do get some closure.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line!

You and your voice are welcome here! 

Modifié par atghunter, 18 mars 2012 - 08:14 .

[cApAc aMaRu]

Carnage752 wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

It seems to me that some parts of Mass Effect 3 have a slight hint of being unfinished and slapped together at the last minute. most of it is wonderful just a few little things

• Tali's face gaff (Waited 5 years and got a stock model photo. A shame but forgivable)
• Multiplayer problems mentiond above
• Character Face import issues (Don't know if this affects anyone else but I couldn't carry my Shepards face over had to reconstruct it sort of cheapened my experience as it wasn't quite my Shepard.)
• Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged

[*]One thing at a time guys.
[*]Crap yoou got me bulleted!!

There are a lot of people affected by the face import issues, who aren't speaking here because they are afraid of spoilers. Nearly up to 200 pages in the thread

[Syrellaris]

Enichan wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

It seems to me that some parts of Mass Effect 3 have a slight hint of being unfinished and slapped together at the last minute. most of it is wonderful just a few little things


[*]Tali's face gaff (Waited 5 years and got a stock model photo. A shame but forgivable)
[*]Multiplayer problems mentiond above
[*]Character Face import issues (Don't know if this affects anyone else but I couldn't carry my Shepards face over had to reconstruct it sort of cheapened my experience as it wasn't quite my Shepard.)
[*]Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged[/list]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add the face import bug. Mostly because it was fixed by the community in an at least relatively satisfactory way.[/list]

Well bugs happen regardless of platform and or game. It takes time to fix them. I believe it is slightly unrealistic to expect bioware or any game company of that matter to have a fix ready for issues like these in the first week.

[Jamie9]

As I saw a previous member mention, I am also going to archive the OP, and update my archive whenever the OP updates theirs. Keep up the good work and we'll make sure it can't be lost.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Hydralysk wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Hydralysk wrote...

Just gonna ask this again, if there's anyone here with the skills/time to create some sort of Retake Mass Effect community site I think it would really help our cause. Not something fancy, just a place where we can outline our mission statements and post the old and new articles as they come out and also a link to our Child's Play donation page. This way we don't need to rely on someone having links handy to see how we're progressing.

I think this would go a long way to consolidate our movement under one banner.

Facebook is working on that. Don't worry, we will get the call when we are needed.

Of course facebook is, I swore to myself never to make a facebook account but hearing this has me sorely tempted. I really wish I could blame Bioware for this........so I will! 

For shame Bioware, for shame.

The only reason i have a facebook account is because of this.

Hold the line for as long as it takes.

[Carnage752]

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]Carnage752 wrote...

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]atghunter wrote...

[quote]Syrellaris wrote...

[quote]Solotalento wrote...

snip


    
While I believe Goliath was probably always planned (and things like the SW weekend were not IMO), it is just as logical that Goliath was a firewall promotion which could be repurposed.  PR folks are paid to plan for contingencies, not just respond to crisis.  To not design long-term sales campaigns forecasting success and failure scenarios would have been illogical. 
 
[/quote]

I can assure you the Star Wars The old Republic weekend was planned. It was announced before mass effect 3 even got released. Subscribers like myself recieved an email about it

[/quote]
And now notice how the advertsising for it has stepped up alot?

Just saying, I've never even heard of it till after the ending crisis started.

[/quote]

I think your looking a slight bit to much for something that maybe is not there. The entire SW:ToR game is done by a completely different team from Bioware. The sales and advertisement department of bioware also have nothing to do with the game releases and or development. There job, as in any other company regardless of product, is to advertise and sell the product.

Which is what they have been doing since the release of SW:ToR.  This weekend deal was planned because they noticed it is a good working strategy that Blizzard / Activision applied to world of warcraft, there is no harm in it.

They also advertise a lot more due to a big Content patch (1.2) is upcoming and they want to draw players back into SW:ToR.

This is also the reason why i have been stating that people here on the mass effect boards are trying a little to hard to find reasons to back up there claims for mass effect 3 to the point it perhaps is just getting slightly out of hand.



[/quote]
It's all still Bioware/EA. That free weekend could easily be repurposed for PR purposes, note the increase in advertising for it. So could Operation Goliath.

Is it all just a coincidence? Maybe. But better safe than sorry. And our PR expert mr hunter says that repurposement has happened before.

[cApAc aMaRu]

Syrellaris wrote...

Enichan wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

It seems to me that some parts of Mass Effect 3 have a slight hint of being unfinished and slapped together at the last minute. most of it is wonderful just a few little things


[*]Tali's face gaff (Waited 5 years and got a stock model photo. A shame but forgivable)
[*]Multiplayer problems mentiond above
[*]Character Face import issues (Don't know if this affects anyone else but I couldn't carry my Shepards face over had to reconstruct it sort of cheapened my experience as it wasn't quite my Shepard.)
[*]Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged[/list]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add the face import bug. Mostly because it was fixed by the community in an at least relatively satisfactory way.[/list]

Well bugs happen regardless of platform and or game. It takes time to fix them. I believe it is slightly unrealistic to expect bioware or any game company of that matter to have a fix ready for issues like these in the first week.

The face import bug was apparently known before launch, and has stopped a lot of people from playing single-player, myself included. Shepard without the face I made and played is no Shepard at all.

[boyghost]

There's a move in /r/masseffect to get #RetakeMassEffect or #RetakeME3 trending on twitter by 3 PM (PDT) tomorrow afternoon.

I posted earlier, but thought I might bump the message. Here's the blurb we're using:

@masseffect ME3 was outstanding, but the ending is unacceptable. When will new content be made available to address this? #RetakeMassEffect

or @masseffect ME3 was outstanding, but the ending is unacceptable. When will new content be made available to address this? #RetakeME3

Really, the folks at twitter aren't going to give us any other answer than the standard reply they've been giving us, but it would be good to get the exposure that trending brings. REMEMBER TO BE POLITE, RESPECTFUL, and COOPERATIVE. We aren't BioWare's enemies, quite the opposite. We just want the ending that the franchise and we deserve!

Modifié par boyghost, 18 mars 2012 - 08:19 .

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

Enichan wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Enichan wrote...

By the way guys, not to excuse Bioware but part of the reason their PR is tightlipped right now might be because they're having issues on various fronts when it comes to ME3. The whole multiplayer kits getting relocked bug, costing some people in excess of $100 real money, is still out there.

Similarly a lot of people are still experiencing difficulties with the multiplayer in the form of frequent disconnects leading to getting no credits, and just plain not being able to connect to friends. Oh, and I suppose there's the whole "Tali's face" blowout.

I'm not an industry veteran like atghunter, but it seems consistent with what I was taught in my corporate communications classes in college that they probably want to address all major issues simultaneously, rather than one at a time. I may be wrong, but couldn't this factor into it taking so long to have any real response that isn't doublespeak?

The kit relocking bug victims have been complaining about lack of decisive responses for over a week now.

True. But their biggest chastisement is the ending. It should be their biggest concern.

It seems to me that some parts of Mass Effect 3 have a slight hint of being unfinished and slapped together at the last minute. most of it is wonderful just a few little things


[*]Tali's face gaff (Waited 5 years and got a stock model photo. A shame but forgivable)
[*]Multiplayer problems mentiond above
[*]Character Face import issues (Don't know if this affects anyone else but I couldn't carry my Shepards face over had to reconstruct it sort of cheapened my experience as it wasn't quite my Shepard.)
[*]Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged[/list]

Oh yeah, I forgot to add the face import bug. Mostly because it was fixed by the community in an at least relatively satisfactory way.[/list]

Well bugs happen regardless of platform and or game. It takes time to fix them. I believe it is slightly unrealistic to expect bioware or any game company of that matter to have a fix ready for issues like these in the first week.

[*]We know.
[*]DAMNIT IM BULLETED AGAIN