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Hydralysk wrote...
Just for a bit of humour, this skit seems like it fits perfectly for the agrument that you can't change art. Is there anything John Cleese isn't relevant in?
Midasmistake wrote...
I have to admit that I'm a little worried about this getting out of hand. I've been a Bioware fan for a long time, I bought most of their games and my faith and love for this company was the reason I became a game design major. I have to say that like everyone here I felt betrayed with the ending, and my view of Bioware had already been tarnished with the released of DA2 and DA:O DLC. But now I'm more worried for the actual employees, writers and artist that worked on ME3. I cannot help but feel bad for them. They worked hard on this series and they love it as much as we do or even more since this is their vision and creation. I know I feel bad after a day of bad critiques I cannot even begin to imagine a week of thousands of people criticizing my work. IDK just wanted to give my view on the matter. Lets just hope this gets resolved in a timely manner and that in the long run we don't hurt the company we love.
Midasmistake wrote...
I have to admit that I'm a little worried about this getting out of hand. I've been a Bioware fan for a long time, I bought most of their games and my faith and love for this company was the reason I became a game design major. I have to say that like everyone here I felt betrayed with the ending, and my view of Bioware had already been tarnished with the released of DA2 and DA:O DLC. But now I'm more worried for the actual employees, writers and artist that worked on ME3. I cannot help but feel bad for them. They worked hard on this series and they love it as much as we do or even more since this is their vision and creation. I know I feel bad after a day of bad critiques I cannot even begin to imagine a week of thousands of people criticizing my work. IDK just wanted to give my view on the matter. Lets just hope this gets resolved in a timely manner and that in the long run we don't hurt the company we love.
Panicomatic wrote...
Zhijn wrote...
Panicomatic wrote...
No matter how long I think about it I just can't wrap my head around how they sent ME3 out the door thinking that the ending to the game is production worthy. All of this could have been avoided if they had spent more time developing the ending. I wonder how adversely the ending really is affecting their return on investment? I guess there is a silver lining though; Child's play donations are at about $64K right now.
EA's march fiscal. Thats why. Out of time.
Deadlines. =(
You're right, as depressing as that is. Now the situation is so much more... complicated.
Modifié par Tyrannis Vos, 18 mars 2012 - 08:49 .
InsaneNarwhal wrote...
Midasmistake wrote...
I have to admit that I'm a little worried about this getting out of hand. I've been a Bioware fan for a long time, I bought most of their games and my faith and love for this company was the reason I became a game design major. I have to say that like everyone here I felt betrayed with the ending, and my view of Bioware had already been tarnished with the released of DA2 and DA:O DLC. But now I'm more worried for the actual employees, writers and artist that worked on ME3. I cannot help but feel bad for them. They worked hard on this series and they love it as much as we do or even more since this is their vision and creation. I know I feel bad after a day of bad critiques I cannot even begin to imagine a week of thousands of people criticizing my work. IDK just wanted to give my view on the matter. Lets just hope this gets resolved in a timely manner and that in the long run we don't hurt the company we love.
If they feel that way, they're not paying attention. Everyone here loved 99% of the game, save the ending. The ending that unfortunately makes the rest of their play time feel irrelevant. They should be proud to have such vocal and passionate fans. Especially since the forums are still alight with jokes and phrases from the games themselves.
Beti88 wrote...
My passionate hatred for the endings has been replaced by utter sadness at this point.
I fear that if we don't get results soon most of us will grow tired of this and our numbers (and more importantly, our voice) will diminish at an alarming rate.
Modifié par Utopianus, 18 mars 2012 - 08:57 .
thoreauscabin wrote...
snips*
Why don't you explain some specifics instead of a smug reply? Not a great way to win over neutrals.
Pathetic.
Modifié par Kinoru, 18 mars 2012 - 08:54 .
Midasmistake wrote...
I have to admit that I'm a little worried about this getting out of hand. I've been a Bioware fan for a long time, I bought most of their games and my faith and love for this company was the reason I became a game design major. I have to say that like everyone here I felt betrayed with the ending, and my view of Bioware had already been tarnished with the released of DA2 and DA:O DLC. But now I'm more worried for the actual employees, writers and artist that worked on ME3. I cannot help but feel bad for them. They worked hard on this series and they love it as much as we do or even more since this is their vision and creation. I know I feel bad after a day of bad critiques I cannot even begin to imagine a week of thousands of people criticizing my work. IDK just wanted to give my view on the matter. Lets just hope this gets resolved in a timely manner and that in the long run we don't hurt the company we love.
Modifié par Xandurpein, 18 mars 2012 - 08:59 .
If we've put over 100 hours into mass effect, and been willing to raise over 60k in charity in such a short time, I don't see us disbanding anytime soon.Beti88 wrote...
My passionate hatred for the endings has been replaced by utter sadness at this point.
I fear that if we don't get results soon most of us will grow tired of this and our numbers (and more importantly, our voice) will diminish at an alarming rate.
Utopianus wrote...
Hi there, all. I'm new to the forums, but not new to the game, I suppose. Having watched quite a major proportion of the first two ME games and have the rest filled out by rants by my friend, a die-hard ME fan, I had been convinced that ME is indeed the most unique and certain very fun and captivating game for the past decade, and made my first ever pre-order of a game, that of ME3 Collector's Edition - importing a character from my friend's ME1~2 game which I had been a backseat driver in creating, thus I was emotionally invested. Having shut myself out of all things ME related so I don't get spoiled and having now finished the game I was left floundering for answers - not ones for the questions and choices that were never there at the last 10 minutes, but how could such a stellar performance of a game and franchise possibly end on such a bad note. That's when I stumbled across this thread, and having lurked for a while, decided that I should let you guys know that I fully support your cause, though I will declare that I am of the opinion that the game has already been ruined and that even if a DLC was released to fix it, there would not be the same feeling of satisfaction at the end as compared to if the game had not originally had the bad climax. However as I allowed myself to be exposed to more "spoilers" after finishing the game, and finding out about the controversy surrounding the day-one DLC and the less than satisfactory response from BioWare regarding the anticlimatic ending, I have come to believe what you guys are doing is great, so keep it up and Hold The Line!!:happy:
Sorry for the rambling, it's early morning.
EDIT: Just like to add that I had stopped playing SP and MP (I actually quite liked it, but oh well), am never going to buy ME and ME2 because I have lost incentive to play them, and I will probably not bother trying out other BioWare titles such as Dragon Age and Knights of the Old Republic.
Without giving anything away, (directly, as all subsequent links will contain some spoilers) the ending, by which I mean the final five to ten minutes, of Mass Effect 3 is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it – in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible.
Sloppy execution that reuses art assets reveals that it’s a hurried inclusion. The under thought and over pretentious dialogue does nothing but create bizarre, confusing plot holes. It even commits the same sin The Devil Inside did earlier this year, and has the gall to add an advertisement by the producers at the end of the credits, which is frankly insulting.
Far more importantly though, it betrays key themes and values well established by the series thus far. Past player choice impacting the shape of events is negated in favor of an arbitrary and poorly explained “pick your favorite color” moment. Science fiction justification in an otherwise material world is abandoned for magical deism, since quite literally, a god in a machine appears. Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism: each of the choices you’re forced to make results in Shepard committing some level of genocide or another, with the benefits removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics. It even manages to make The Reapers, one of the more imposing forces of antagonism in recent memory, come across as foolish pawns...
Topping all of this is off, the entire affair seems to be a vain attempt at symbolism ala the similarly jarring conclusion to 2001: A Space Odyssey rather than offering even the minutest form of concrete closure. As there is no novel to turn to that explains what they were trying to attain and the steaming mess that exists is as disconnected from sense as it is, the endeavor rings hollow as metaphor.
To quote Roger Ebert for a moment:
“If you have to ask what it symbolizes, it didn’t.”
Modifié par MajorUhlan, 18 mars 2012 - 09:00 .
Graphf wrote...
Jarret Lee wrote:
"These are good people who care deeply about the work they do."
This was taken from a post his talking about how Bioware cares.
1st. LOL
2nd, If they care why do that with the endings making all the choices we've ever made in the game pointless?
3rd. The reveal of Tali's face, the laziest photoshop I have ever seen done. This should have been a monumental reveal and instead it looks like some high-school photoshop job. We should have seen her face in game or not at all.
4th. The size of the squad. why is it smaller? They said because there would be more interaction and depth but that simply isn't true. There is the same level there has always been. There should have been more characters, it would have made more of a difference in who died and lived in ME2. But of course this is just another opportunity for Bioware to cut corners.
Beti88 wrote...
My passionate hatred for the endings has been replaced by utter sadness at this point.
I fear that if we don't get results soon most of us will grow tired of this and our numbers (and more importantly, our voice) will diminish at an alarming rate.
Modifié par Hydralysk, 18 mars 2012 - 09:01 .
MajorUhlan wrote...
Hello all, Major reporting in and still Holding the Line.
Found a cool article from the California Literary Review about how Mass Effect 3 effectively, in it's final moments, committed "storytelling suicide".
Thought I'd share the link and a snippet:
http://calitreview.com/24673Without giving anything away, (directly, as all subsequent links will contain some spoilers) the ending, by which I mean the final five to ten minutes, of Mass Effect 3 is easily the worst finale I’ve seen compared to the preceding quality that came before it – in any medium. At literally every level, it’s objectively terrible.
Sloppy execution that reuses art assets reveals that it’s a hurried inclusion. The under thought and over pretentious dialogue does nothing but create bizarre, confusing plot holes. It even commits the same sin The Devil Inside did earlier this year, and has the gall to add an advertisement by the producers at the end of the credits, which is frankly insulting.
Far more importantly though, it betrays key themes and values well established by the series thus far. Past player choice impacting the shape of events is negated in favor of an arbitrary and poorly explained “pick your favorite color” moment. Science fiction justification in an otherwise material world is abandoned for magical deism, since quite literally, a god in a machine appears. Unification through altruism and sacrifice is thrown out for pure nihilism: each of the choices you’re forced to make results in Shepard committing some level of genocide or another, with the benefits removed from any relatable emotional touchstone to the intangible space of far flung statistics. It even manages to make The Reapers, one of the more imposing forces of antagonism in recent memory, come across as foolish pawns...
Topping all of this is off, the entire affair seems to be a vain attempt at symbolism ala the similarly jarring conclusion to 2001: A Space Odyssey rather than offering even the minutest form of concrete closure. As there is no novel to turn to that explains what they were trying to attain and the steaming mess that exists is as disconnected from sense as it is, the endeavor rings hollow as metaphor. To quote Roger Ebert for a moment:
“If you have to ask what it symbolizes, it didn’t.”
Hope you enjoy, and as it is hard to keep up with this thread moving so fast, hopefully everything has been going well.
Hold the Line!
edit: formatting
Darkeus wrote...
MajorUhlan wrote...
snip
I linked that a few pages back but thanks for reposting it! This thread moves fast!
i hope you are wrong on this, but it could very well be the case. i am hoping that my experiences here with this movement will counteract any negative feelings I would have about the "original" experience. I hope..... I will have to wait and decide that myself. i want the option though.....Utopianus wrote...
snip . That's when I stumbled across this thread, and having lurked for a while, decided that I should let you guys know that I fully support your cause, though I will declare that I am of the opinion that the game has already been ruined and that even if a DLC was released to fix it, there would not be the same feeling of satisfaction at the end as compared to if the game had not originally had the bad climax. snip
Utopianus wrote...
Hi there, all. I'm new to the forums, but not new to the game, I suppose. Having watched quite a major proportion of the first two ME games and have the rest filled out by rants by my friend, a die-hard ME fan, I had been convinced that ME is indeed the most unique and certain very fun and captivating game for the past decade, and made my first ever pre-order of a game, that of ME3 Collector's Edition - importing a character from my friend's ME1~2 game which I had been a backseat driver in creating, thus I was emotionally invested. Having shut myself out of all things ME related so I don't get spoiled and having now finished the game I was left floundering for answers - not ones for the questions and choices that were never there at the last 10 minutes, but how could such a stellar performance of a game and franchise possibly end on such a bad note. That's when I stumbled across this thread, and having lurked for a while, decided that I should let you guys know that I fully support your cause, though I will declare that I am of the opinion that the game has already been ruined and that even if a DLC was released to fix it, there would not be the same feeling of satisfaction at the end as compared to if the game had not originally had the bad climax. However as I allowed myself to be exposed to more "spoilers" after finishing the game, and finding out about the controversy surrounding the day-one DLC and the less than satisfactory response from BioWare regarding the anticlimatic ending, I have come to believe what you guys are doing is great, so keep it up and Hold The Line!!:happy:
Sorry for the rambling, it's early morning.
EDIT: Just like to add that I had stopped playing SP and MP (I actually quite liked it, but oh well), am never going to buy ME and ME2 because I have lost incentive to play them, and I will probably not bother trying out other BioWare titles such as Dragon Age and Knights of the Old Republic.
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