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[Syrellaris]

Carnage752 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I understand feeling suspicious, but there's a lot of CERTAINTY in the way some folks identify everything anyone from BioWare says as a rouse. You may well SUSPECT that Jarrett was just doin' damage control, but you don't in fact KNOW that.

Fact is, they haven't released any concrete evidence for a DLC, just reassurance. That should be alarming from the get go. So we WILL be suspicious. Thanks for your opinion however.

No offense, as I do understand your point. However don't you think a week or 10 days at this point is a little early for DLC talk let alone Reassurances around them.

[Aligalipe]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Aligalipe wrote...

I' ve created a thread for this so those who judge us because we demand something could see but I think this place is better for this:

Bioware can do whatever they want with their product. I saw this sentence in a lots of places. And I genuinely agree with that. Its true. Actually everybody knows this is true. Now there is the question why do we want the changed. What right do we have? It's suprising I know but "some" of the Bioware supporters didn't figure it out yet or don't want to figure it out, that we have our rights to demand. But I guess things that are obvious to us, is not obvious to others so its understandable. 
EA/Bioware has the right to do anything with their game, they can send an army of Giant Space Hamsters, they can do anything. This is their right. But that doesn't mean we don't have our rights too. Just like Bioware can do anything with their game. We have the option to not to buy their products. There are thousands of people who are very picky about which game the should pay money for, because sadly video games aren't actually cheap. Bioware has to satisfy their customers, if they want to profit from the product which they can do whatever they want with.

We tell them that we won't buy their future products if it isn't good, this means they are losing the fanbase which can always support them in their bad days. And they losing it in their good days. Again Bioware can do anything they with ME3 and with its future DLCs but we have the right to NOT to buy it. Now its in their hands. And do not forget one thing: For every 1 gamer, in every gaming forum who likes the endings, there are 10(if not more) who hates the endings. So people please stop telling us that Bioware can do whatever they want with their products, because we have the right to not buy it. That means their right doesn't mean anything.

I know I' ve repeated myself multiple times, but I learned that if I don't repeat myself multiple times people tend to remember only the half of the things I wrote. Just the clarify something; I don't hate Bioware, actually this isn't about Bioware exactly, this is simply about our rights. This case is true with every gamer-developer relations.

Never forget your power my fellow customers, WE have the Power!

What will happen may be in their hands, but whatever they decide, we will have the last say.

And I know We will hold the line!

That was great.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Thanks, I usually don't post long posts like that, but people kept telling us we don't have any right to demand really angered me. 

[darkreed]

I have been catching up with this thread, and something dawned on me.

In the Mass Effect games, we, the players have been put into situations due to plot that we have to build a rag-tag allience to defeat a great threat.

Now, the player base have taken that idea expressed in the games and now using that to band together to try and change something that they do not like and in a sense that is forced on to us.

In an ironic sense, EA/BW has cause this problem by the ideas and ideals that are expressed within their games. The idea of choice. We can be silent and just accept things, or we can follow in what we believe, and stand together as a united voice.

Hold the line!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Carnage752 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I understand feeling suspicious, but there's a lot of CERTAINTY in the way some folks identify everything anyone from BioWare says as a rouse. You may well SUSPECT that Jarrett was just doin' damage control, but you don't in fact KNOW that.

Fact is, they haven't released any concrete evidence for a DLC, just reassurance. That should be alarming from the get go. So we WILL be suspicious. Thanks for your opinion however.

Also we have a whole thread showing how much they lied in the past,why should we trust them now?  Trust is not a right trust has to be earned and if someone loses mine they have to work hard to win it back. I trusted them and lost $80,that will never happen again.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Carnage752]

Baineblade wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Baineblade wrote...

I have to be honest with you all. I can't hold the line anymore. I want to advance, and I want to keep advancing. I take a lot of my philosophy from many people throughout history, and one of those people was the man who made the following quote:

"Now there's another thing I want you to remember. I don't want to get any messages saying that "we are holding our position." We're not holding anything. Let the Hun do that. We are advancing constantly and we're not interested in holding onto anything except the enemy. We're going to hold onto him by the nose and we're going to kick him in the ass. We're going to kick the hell out of him all the time and we're going to go through him like crap through a goose!" -General George S. Patton, Commanding Officer, Third Army Group, United States Armed Forces Europe.

In many ways sitting on the defensive is all well and good, you always have the advantage against the attack, but you apply constant and unrelenting pressure upon your enemy, their defenses will become moot, begin to crumble, and soon they'll either be in full retreat, or will surrender. At this point, we can no longer just "hold the line". We MUST as a matter of survival and to bring about an eventual end to this internet conflict, advance, and keep building the pressure, keep forcing the issue into the light, at no point should we, as Patton himself stated, report in that we're holding our position. Let EA and Bioware do that.

The statement is just a symbol. We have been on the offensive for quite awhile.

"On the offensive" to a limited point, so far the BSN forums have been flooded, the story is only now getting headline news coverage, and people are only just beginning to build the momentum up more and more.  The pressure in truth needs to be increased near ten fold.  Mailing campaigns, word of mouth, all the recent suggestions of getting the word out, need to be increased ten fold.  Email every tech gaming website out there, show them what's going on, how large the community actually is, get the message out there, and more will come.  
Yet, be reasonable, dont make assumptions that just because people are starting to come round that we're winning.  This battle is FAR from finished and it's barely begun, start cranking out flyers and going to your local game stores, ask the manager to read it over and if you can post it in their window or at their front desk.  If they don't want you to do such, then thank them for their time and look elsewhere to get the message out.  Facebook and Child's play have been good starts, but the message hasn't gone out as far as most would hope.

Don't worry, our movements are already starting to crank into full gear. The letter movement starts tommorow, and twitter campaigns are being launched every other day. This might take time, but it WILL be won.

[Aligalipe]

darkreed wrote...

I have been catching up with this thread, and something dawned on me.

In the Mass Effect games, we, the players have been put into situations due to plot that we have to build a rag-tag allience to defeat a great threat.

Now, the player base have taken that idea expressed in the games and now using that to band together to try and change something that they do not like and in a sense that is forced on to us.

In an ironic sense, EA/BW has cause this problem by the ideas and ideals that are expressed within their games. The idea of choice. We can be silent and just accept things, or we can follow in what we believe, and stand together as a united voice.

Hold the line!

What an Irony Thanks Bioware, you support us by not supporting us!

Modifié par Aligalipe, 18 mars 2012 - 09:56 .

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I understand feeling suspicious, but there's a lot of CERTAINTY in the way some folks identify everything anyone from BioWare says as a rouse. You may well SUSPECT that Jarrett was just doin' damage control, but you don't in fact KNOW that.

Fact is, they haven't released any concrete evidence for a DLC, just reassurance. That should be alarming from the get go. So we WILL be suspicious. Thanks for your opinion however.

No offense, as I do understand your point. However don't you think a week or 10 days at this point is a little early for DLC talk let alone Reassurances around them.

Your absolutely right. But if they are indeed trying to nip this in the bud before this reaches critical mass, we have to be ready. Better safe than sorry

[RagingCeltik]

thrashmental wrote...

So last year around christmas I did not take any days off from work even though I needed the rest.
I always planned to take a whole week off with ME3 to rest my body and decompress. Enjoy my favorite universe that I've been a part of from day one.

I'm playing the game, I'm loving it.
I've never actually laughed out loud or really cried because of things happening in Mass Effect.
Don't get me wrong, I've felt sad and happy all through the two first games.
But somehow this third installment really stepped up the story, characters and writing to move me in a way I never thought possible.
And Kai Lang, when he got away with the prothean data I so desperatly needed.
I've never been so mad, so hungry for revenge even though I played paragorn I wanted to make him pay dearly.
Garrus actually made me feel better, like a real friend.
And Ashley, so beautiful and strong.
I could go on and on... but let's move on.
I invest in my story, my shepard. The first of many I believe, 'cause I have so many saved from previous games. I want to play out every story, every scenario and every ending. Good or bad...

However (!) the ending came, and man I was completely destroyed. I've never felt so helpless.
No matter what I do, I doom the galaxy, I doom the mass effect universe. Shepard dies, I die...

I have no will, no urge, no point, no reason to play this game or ME 1 & 2. It all ends the same way.
In a bleak, forced, futile, crushing way.

I'm very unhappy, this week was supposed to be a happy week. Now I'm actually depressed, I feel apathy. Nothing really matters right now in my life. Work is just work, friends and family don't understand this pain. They never invested this much time and money into something like Mass Effect.

All I have deep deep down in the void that is my heart. Is one star, a shimmering star of hope that they will fix the ending. Please...

I am a tired, beaten up young man of 27 years old. Holding the line, leaning on all of you for support. You give me strength, I will never give up because of you my fellow gamers, and dare I say... friends.

It helps to know I wasn't the only one that got depressed after this betrayal of an ending.   And why not?   The ending says to player,  "You don't matter," and "Everything you've done and will do is invalid and meaningless."

Hell of a way to reward brand loyalty. 

Maybe we should get some grief counselors to help us through this.

Modifié par RagingCeltik, 18 mars 2012 - 09:59 .

[VAIOMANIAC]

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

[Optimus J]

Carnage752 wrote...

Don't worry, our movements are already starting to crank into full gear. The letter movement starts tommorow, and twitter campaigns are being launched every other day. This might take time, but it WILL be won.

Of course it will be won... Pockets will start to starve sooner or later. There is no other exit from this ****storm (Udina's words are funny) than to attend our demands.

[Aligalipe]

Carnage752 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I understand feeling suspicious, but there's a lot of CERTAINTY in the way some folks identify everything anyone from BioWare says as a rouse. You may well SUSPECT that Jarrett was just doin' damage control, but you don't in fact KNOW that.

Fact is, they haven't released any concrete evidence for a DLC, just reassurance. That should be alarming from the get go. So we WILL be suspicious. Thanks for your opinion however.

Please read the original post. Especially the quotes from atghunter. Its too early for a straight answer, we all know it.

[Carnage752]

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

Every war has it's traitors

Modifié par Carnage752, 18 mars 2012 - 10:01 .

[Carnage752]

Aligalipe wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I understand feeling suspicious, but there's a lot of CERTAINTY in the way some folks identify everything anyone from BioWare says as a rouse. You may well SUSPECT that Jarrett was just doin' damage control, but you don't in fact KNOW that.

Fact is, they haven't released any concrete evidence for a DLC, just reassurance. That should be alarming from the get go. So we WILL be suspicious. Thanks for your opinion however.

Please read the original post. Especially the quotes from atghunter. Its too early for a straight answer, we all know it.

I know. Doesn't mean we shouldn't be on guard.

[IndustrializedTaco]

I'm surprised at how much coverage this movement has gotten in just a few days. I'm glad, and confident we might just pull this off.

[Scoob]

Well at least the guys on twitter are listening:



and so are some of the devs:

[Tyrannis Vos]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I understand feeling suspicious, but there's a lot of CERTAINTY in the way some folks identify everything anyone from BioWare says as a rouse. You may well SUSPECT that Jarrett was just doin' damage control, but you don't in fact KNOW that.

Fact is, they haven't released any concrete evidence for a DLC, just reassurance. That should be alarming from the get go. So we WILL be suspicious. Thanks for your opinion however.

No offense, as I do understand your point. However don't you think a week or 10 days at this point is a little early for DLC talk let alone Reassurances around them.

Sure, it is early. There is no harm in getting our discontent out there though. In fact, the sooner the better. I think that we may not have even had the chance of a fix or talking if we all waited two months to voice our opinions. It just wouldn't be taken as seriously.

BE LOUD, BE POLITE. HOLD THE LINE.

[Versus Omnibus]

Carnage752 wrote...

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

Every war has it's traitors

At least she's trying.

[stargatefan1990]

Promchek wrote...

thrashmental wrote...

*snip*

However (!) the ending came, and man I was completely destroyed. I've never felt so helpless.
No matter what I do, I doom the galaxy, I doom the mass effect universe. Shepard dies, I die...

I have no will, no urge, no point, no reason to play this game or ME 1 & 2. It all ends the same way.
In a bleak, forced, futile, crushing way.

I'm very unhappy, this week was supposed to be a happy week. Now I'm actually depressed, I feel apathy. Nothing really matters right now in my life. Work is just work, friends and family don't understand this pain. They never invested this much time and money into something like Mass Effect.

All I have deep deep down in the void that is my heart. Is one star, a shimmering star of hope that they will fix the ending. Please...

I am a tired, beaten up young man of 27 years old. Holding the line, leaning on all of you for support. You give me strength, I will never give up because of you my fellow gamers, and dare I say... friends.

you are not alone mate, you are not alone. 

OMG like you stole the words from my mouth and you are not alone not at all

[Carnage752]

Scoob wrote...

Well at least the guys on twitter are listening:



and so are some of the devs:

That's good. We keep holding the line we can put this movement and our pain to bed soon!

[Torhagen]

New answer from the producer of mass effect 3

http://www.joystiq.c...ss-effect-3-ev/

[Panicomatic]

Vade Katana wrote...

Angry Joe's 10 reasons we hate the ending. Well worth a watch if you havent already.



Hold the line.

Great video

[Versus Omnibus]

Scoob wrote...

Well at least the guys on twitter are listening:



and so are some of the devs:

The sooner we get an official response from Bioware the better it will be for everyone.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Carnage752 wrote...

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

Every war has it's traitors

I'm a little surprised at how Ms. Merizan is handling things really. I mean it's a little confusing. she is sympathetic to the gamers, but at the same time she is working for the company at fault. It's kind of a cluster **** if you think about it.

[Carnage752]

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

Every war has it's traitors

At least she's trying.

It's a quote from Mass Effect man. And ya this is good she is asking those questions. Should that mean we should relax? No. We can take hope and give her feedback though.

[stargatefan1990]

Scoob wrote...

Well at least the guys on twitter are listening:



and so are some of the devs:

i am not attacking any Devs personally no way i am very thankful for there Dedication to some Amazing games Mass effect all the way through 1/2/3 are Amazing up until you get hit by Harbinger

Hold the Line!!