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[Carnage752]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

Every war has it's traitors

I'm a little surprised at how Ms. Merizan is handling things really. I mean it's a little confusing. she is sympathetic to the gamers, but at the same time she is working for the company at fault. It's kind of a cluster **** if you think about it.

This convinces me more and more it's not up to the writers, but the economists. This is all about money now, and the more we cost them, the better.

[Fulgrim88]

Scoob wrote...

Well at least the guys on twitter are listening:



and so are some of the devs:

Yeah, Twitter's got to be the most reassuring thing these days, when it comes to customer <-> Dev communication. Even though much of it is copy past response, some stuff seems to get through.

Then again, Twitter staff is especially trained for the fast moving, everchanging nature of Internet Movements. It's what Twitter is all about.
So we need to keep up the pressure

[Qwd666]

The Final Few wrote...

Google "space winter"

Look familiar?

This MUST be a joke! I start to think the ending was made by someone elses (writers from EA??), because they wanted to be a part of this awesome trilogy... 

[IndustrializedTaco]

Scoob wrote...

Well at least the guys on twitter are listening:



and so are some of the devs:

I at least like how they are listening to us. We have come a far way in about 10 days. Hold the line!

[IndustrializedTaco]

Carnage752 wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

Every war has it's traitors

I'm a little surprised at how Ms. Merizan is handling things really. I mean it's a little confusing. she is sympathetic to the gamers, but at the same time she is working for the company at fault. It's kind of a cluster **** if you think about it.

This convinces me more and more it's not up to the writers, but the economists. This is all about money now, and the more we cost them, the better.

Well there is no shortage of motivation...

[RazorrX]

Syrellaris wrote...
May I ask you (and anyone else) to read the following.

http://w11.zetaboard...opic/7688087/1/

This forum post in that board is very well thought out and cleaned out of a lot of rubble in the appropriate BSN thread. Presenting all the evidence in a neat row.

I am really curious what you think (and stay civil people) about this Theory.

I think the ending *could* be a case of indoctrination.  Many things fit if you want to look at it that way.

I also think the ending *could* be the dying dream of Shepard as you bleed out on earth and that last panel is your dying breath.  I have a thread where I pretty much explain why i think this works, and it also fits with a comment made by Mac Walters in this video  at roughly 1:34 in that anything that comes after ME3 would be "kind of boring, just looking at a devestated wasteland".  And thus the Reapers actually won this cycle and the Stargazer was an alien telling about "The Shepard" that was learned about from the Time Capsules that Liara seeded.

I think Bioware made the ending purposely that way to be honest.  What I would love to see is for them to say "Here is actually what happened in the ending..." but I do not thik they will do that.  That is why the sheet said "Endless speculation" because some will take it as you saved everything some that it is indoctrination and some that you failed (my take) and the reapers won.

[mrderp27]

Torhagen wrote...

New answer from the producer of mass effect 3

http://www.joystiq.c...ss-effect-3-ev/

Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending;

LOLWUT

[The Almighty Ali]

darkreed wrote...

I have been catching up with this thread, and something dawned on me.

In the Mass Effect games, we, the players have been put into situations due to plot that we have to build a rag-tag allience to defeat a great threat.

Now, the player base have taken that idea expressed in the games and now using that to band together to try and change something that they do not like and in a sense that is forced on to us.

In an ironic sense, EA/BW has cause this problem by the ideas and ideals that are expressed within their games. The idea of choice. We can be silent and just accept things, or we can follow in what we believe, and stand together as a united voice.

Hold the line!

I think I said it in a different thread.

I bet the EA people are pulling their hair right now thinking " Why did Mass Effect have to teach them strength though unity?"

[Versus Omnibus]

Carnage752 wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

I just love the cloak and dagger diplomacy at work by Jessica Merizan here, trying to negotiate with disapointed fans in backchannels.

It´s almost like a political stand off where two countries that can´t talk offically needs to use backchannels ha ha.

Every war has it's traitors

At least she's trying.

It's a quote from Mass Effect man. And ya this is good she is asking those questions. Should that mean we should relax? No. We can take hope and give her feedback though.

No, we can't relax. We've gained too much ground now.

HOLD THE LINE!!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Tyrannis Vos wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LucidStrike wrote...

I understand feeling suspicious, but there's a lot of CERTAINTY in the way some folks identify everything anyone from BioWare says as a rouse. You may well SUSPECT that Jarrett was just doin' damage control, but you don't in fact KNOW that.

Fact is, they haven't released any concrete evidence for a DLC, just reassurance. That should be alarming from the get go. So we WILL be suspicious. Thanks for your opinion however.

No offense, as I do understand your point. However don't you think a week or 10 days at this point is a little early for DLC talk let alone Reassurances around them.

Sure, it is early. There is no harm in getting our discontent out there though. In fact, the sooner the better. I think that we may not have even had the chance of a fix or talking if we all waited two months to voice our opinions. It just wouldn't be taken as seriously.

BE LOUD, BE POLITE. HOLD THE LINE.

Well said. Add to that never give up. Don't let the press be right about us.  Show them we are smarter then they are and that we can not be brushed aside.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Miateila]

Queue Lowered Expectations song...

The Old Republic is in my bottom 10 games of all time, and is the second worst MMO I've ever paid money for (and below most free to plays). I deeply regret having pre-ordered copies, and luckily was able to cancel them before the first billing cycle. It is one of the worst games I've ever played, almost on the scale of pre-patch Outpost or Criticom.

Mass Effect 3 is pretty OK. It's got uninspired gameplay, but decent graphics, and it plays reasonably well. The story line is absurd and poorly planned, and overall is more like a fanfiction than what one would expect from a commercial video game. That having been said, the game was fun enough to play through that I'll probably play through it again, and at least they got rid of the ridiculous lock picking/hacking minigames.

That having been said, there is only one reason you do the "online pass," and that is because you recognize the fact that the game itself sucks, and people are going to be taking it back to GameStop or Best Buy, who are going to be selling used copies. You're recognizing the fact it can be cleared and the user can be "done with it" from GameFly and similar services.

Just saying, if the game is good, it's not going to go back to GameFly, GameStop or Best Buy, it's going to hang around and wait for the DLC, etc. If you're seeing games going back, then that's a sign there's an issue with your game.

Just saying.

[Versus Omnibus]

Hold the line, men!! Hold the line!!

[Sarah Aran]

Just a quick note here. As someone who's spending time in Spain at the moment, the RetakeME3 movement is being picked up here as well by mainstream spanish internet media.

[Vade Katana]

Going to bed lads. Dont let up and keep up the pressure.

* puts on a pair of novelty open eye glasses and holds the line!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

As Porkins once said:Stay on Target!

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Versus Omnibus]

Sarah Aran wrote...

Just a quick note here. As someone who's spending time in Spain at the moment, the RetakeME3 movement is being picked up here as well by mainstream spanish internet media.

Great, the more exposure then better!! Can you provide links?

[The Almighty Ali]

mrderp27 wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

New answer from the producer of mass effect 3

http://www.joystiq.c...ss-effect-3-ev/

Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending;

LOLWUT

It's more or less the same thing as he said last time, My take on it. More PR talk.
And if we wanted a inspiring and uplifting ending then showing what happens when so much diversity band together against one cause and win would be a much better ending.

[Tyrannis Vos]

If you guys have a GameFAQs account, I suggest bumping this thread/adding to the conversation. I posted it with links to this thread and links to the document explaining the woes of the endings (click banner in my sig for more on that). People are also adding more to my post!

www.gamefaqs.com/boards/995452-mass-effect-3/62284104

We need to spread the info. We need to keep the pressure on.

[Gespenst]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...


•  Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged

Well, I've heard (second link in my signature) that they were working towards one end (remember Haestroms sun?) for the entire series (there would have only been two outcomes but it was the mother of all Paragon/Renegade choices) and then at some point they scrapped that and we got ... what we got.

An endgame sequence that feels so ... wrong I honestly thought it was a hallucination and a twist and ending that were just... I can't think of a nice way to say stupid.

If we'd gotten the ending they'd planned at the start or if the Crucible had just been another reaper trick and you just pounded the reapers flat and the only thing that mattered in the end was your EMS (if you didn't unite the galaxy you'd lose, if you got about half you'd win but die etc) I would have hoisted Mass Effect on my shoulders and paraded it about as one of the greatest franchises there ever was or ever will be...

But we didn't. There was no satisfaction to be had. We got a bunch of stuff that's so odd and so much of a disappointment that you'd swear it had to be fake in-universe.

If the "indoctrination" theory had turned out to be right and the choices actually represented Shepard either giving into indoctrination or fighting it and then s/he just went on to press the I win button I could even have accepted that (as long as the relays didn't blow up, that's another thing that just makes no sense).

Edit: ^ That was yours? That's some good work there. I hope you don't mind but I added a link to it in my signature earlier today.

Modifié par Gespenst, 18 mars 2012 - 10:20 .

[vigna]

Torhagen wrote...

New answer from the producer of mass effect 3

http://www.joystiq.c...ss-effect-3-ev/

that is what he said Friday.

[Kondorr]

Adam Robert Thomas wrote...

The gestalt of Mass Effect 3 is an end unjustified by its means, unworthy of defense. During its final moments it commits storytelling suicide, and the taste of decay it leaves in the mouth cripples the otherwise impeccable quality of what came before, poisoning even nostalgia against it.

That is the bittersweet ending of it... those 5 to 10 minutes destroyed my nostalgia towards these games... these characters... BUT I STILL WANT TO SAVE THEM!

Dear BioWare:

Save yourself and  LET US SAVE THEM!

Let us take back the Mass Effect Universe, becouse taking back Earth was clearly not enough!

Modifié par Kondorr, 18 mars 2012 - 10:24 .

[Syrellaris]

RazorrX wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...
May I ask you (and anyone else) to read the following.

http://w11.zetaboard...opic/7688087/1/

This forum post in that board is very well thought out and cleaned out of a lot of rubble in the appropriate BSN thread. Presenting all the evidence in a neat row.

I am really curious what you think (and stay civil people) about this Theory.

I think the ending *could* be a case of indoctrination.  Many things fit if you want to look at it that way.

I also think the ending *could* be the dying dream of Shepard as you bleed out on earth and that last panel is your dying breath.  I have a thread where I pretty much explain why i think this works, and it also fits with a comment made by Mac Walters in this video  at roughly 1:34 in that anything that comes after ME3 would be "kind of boring, just looking at a devestated wasteland".  And thus the Reapers actually won this cycle and the Stargazer was an alien telling about "The Shepard" that was learned about from the Time Capsules that Liara seeded.

I think Bioware made the ending purposely that way to be honest.  What I would love to see is for them to say "Here is actually what happened in the ending..." but I do not thik they will do that.  That is why the sheet said "Endless speculation" because some will take it as you saved everything some that it is indoctrination and some that you failed (my take) and the reapers won.

I would have to admit I never read the appropriate BSN thread regarding it, however it was pointed out to me with this thread. I read it and I must say it sounds very believable.

[Zulmoka531]

Gotta be honest. We "may" have started as a vocal minority, but as more and more finish the game, all over the world I may add, the more I see that folks do not like the ending.

I can go to nearly any video game site and forum I know and the sound resonates. And it's not garbled opinions either, many of the things I see are exactly the same. This is an interesting phenomenon to say the least, whether there is success or failure, or some sort of middle ground.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

mrderp27 wrote...

Torhagen wrote...

New answer from the producer of mass effect 3

http://www.joystiq.c...ss-effect-3-ev/

Still, we wanted to give players the chance to experience an inspiring and uplifting ending;

LOLWUT

It's more or less the same thing as he said last time, My take on it. More PR talk.
And if we wanted a inspiring and uplifting ending then showing what happens when so much diversity band together against one cause and win would be a much better ending.

Yeah I don't know what kind of life he has had but if he finds the ending to ME3 uplifting then he must have the most depressing life in histrory.
Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[The Final Few]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

darkreed wrote...

I have been catching up with this thread, and something dawned on me.

In the Mass Effect games, we, the players have been put into situations due to plot that we have to build a rag-tag allience to defeat a great threat.

Now, the player base have taken that idea expressed in the games and now using that to band together to try and change something that they do not like and in a sense that is forced on to us.

In an ironic sense, EA/BW has cause this problem by the ideas and ideals that are expressed within their games. The idea of choice. We can be silent and just accept things, or we can follow in what we believe, and stand together as a united voice.

Hold the line!

I think I said it in a different thread.

I bet the EA people are pulling their hair right now thinking " Why did Mass Effect have to teach them strength though unity?"

Strengh through unity. Exactly my point.