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[RagingCeltik]

Check out this youtube video uploaded on June 6th, 2011 and tell me something isn't really, really, fishy about the source of inspiration for Bioware.

Modifié par RagingCeltik, 18 mars 2012 - 10:25 .

[Sarah Aran]

http://www.vandal.ne...-60000-dolares/

Here's the link to the main article, which is at the top this page http://www.20minutos.es/tecnologia/

In a nutshell, the language is all very neutral and primarily informative, with little editorializing. It also has a link to the Child's Play effort.

[Cody]

The Final Few wrote...

Google "space winter"

Look familiar?

o_0. Wow....it might me a coincidence but...the likeness is...uncanny.

In case some people don't know what we are talking about...

[IndustrializedTaco]

The Final Few wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

darkreed wrote...

I have been catching up with this thread, and something dawned on me.

In the Mass Effect games, we, the players have been put into situations due to plot that we have to build a rag-tag allience to defeat a great threat.

Now, the player base have taken that idea expressed in the games and now using that to band together to try and change something that they do not like and in a sense that is forced on to us.

In an ironic sense, EA/BW has cause this problem by the ideas and ideals that are expressed within their games. The idea of choice. We can be silent and just accept things, or we can follow in what we believe, and stand together as a united voice.

Hold the line!

I think I said it in a different thread.

I bet the EA people are pulling their hair right now thinking " Why did Mass Effect have to teach them strength though unity?"

Strengh through unity. Exactly my point.

We are better than most goverments... We can all agree on something.

[The Final Few]

CodyMelch wrote...

The Final Few wrote...

Google "space winter"

Look familiar?

o_0. Wow....it might me a coincidence but...the likeness is...uncanny.

In case some people don't know what we are talking about...

At least it wasn't whoever photosopped Tali's face. We probably would have gotten the original image with some MS Paint stick figures.

[IndustrializedTaco]

CodyMelch wrote...

The Final Few wrote...

Google "space winter"

Look familiar?

o_0. Wow....it might me a coincidence but...the likeness is...uncanny.

In case some people don't know what we are talking about...

That's mad creepy yo..

[Carnage752]

CodyMelch wrote...

The Final Few wrote...

Google "space winter"

Look familiar?

o_0. Wow....it might me a coincidence but...the likeness is...uncanny.

In case some people don't know what we are talking about...

That is beyond coincidence.

[Reidbynature]

Syrellaris wrote...

atghunter wrote...

lambej wrote...

I just spent 30 minutes figuring out how to register my game here just so I can post.

I also want to say I'm all for sad endings. Heck, I picked the suicide option in DA1 even though there were "happier" endings. I was of course was quite sad, but the end made sense within the game, and I didn't wish I chose something else. In fact, I thought it was a great ending, and I got a little misty eyed.

ME3 however, the ending makes NO SENSE whatsoever. It throws away all convention, and seems thrown together in 5 minutes. There are so many flagrant plot holes, it's obviously a complete punt.

I've bought every game from Bioware since BG1 (I'm old) and if this isn't resolved I'll probably never buy another. I can't believe the game studio I know and love would see fit to ship something like this.

Grab a banner, join the conversation and be welcome!

Oh, and you'll need to know who Marauder Shields is.

May I ask you (and anyone else) to read the following.

http://w11.zetaboard...opic/7688087/1/

This forum post in that board is very well thought out and cleaned out of a lot of rubble in the appropriate BSN thread. Presenting all the evidence in a neat row.

I am really curious what you think (and stay civil people) about this Theory.

Not a fan of the Indoc conspiracy theory.  The "it was all a dream" just devalues the only ending we got.  Plus it feeds into some people's beliefs that this was all a master plan by Bioware to releaese a full game with a bizarre ending only to deliver the 'real ending' via DLC.  Apart from not everyone having access to DLC it just devalues any tacked on ending just by not being part of the final package itself.

I also don't think why some people would think this would be a masterstroke by EA/Bioware's PR dept.  If they were to do this and keep it secret then it would still look like they added a new ending just to please outraged fans because of the bizarre ending.  That plan ends in them losing face and looking like they had to make it up to the fans and if they did then reveail ah it was a joke after all this is what we really planned then they looked like douches for holding out the real ending for DLC.

[RazorrX]

Syrellaris wrote...

RazorrX wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...
May I ask you (and anyone else) to read the following.

http://w11.zetaboard...opic/7688087/1/

This forum post in that board is very well thought out and cleaned out of a lot of rubble in the appropriate BSN thread. Presenting all the evidence in a neat row.

I am really curious what you think (and stay civil people) about this Theory.

I think the ending *could* be a case of indoctrination.  Many things fit if you want to look at it that way.

I also think the ending *could* be the dying dream of Shepard as you bleed out on earth and that last panel is your dying breath.  I have a thread where I pretty much explain why i think this works, and it also fits with a comment made by Mac Walters in this video  at roughly 1:34 in that anything that comes after ME3 would be "kind of boring, just looking at a devestated wasteland".  And thus the Reapers actually won this cycle and the Stargazer was an alien telling about "The Shepard" that was learned about from the Time Capsules that Liara seeded.

I think Bioware made the ending purposely that way to be honest.  What I would love to see is for them to say "Here is actually what happened in the ending..." but I do not thik they will do that.  That is why the sheet said "Endless speculation" because some will take it as you saved everything some that it is indoctrination and some that you failed (my take) and the reapers won.

I would have to admit I never read the appropriate BSN thread regarding it, however it was pointed out to me with this thread. I read it and I must say it sounds very believable.

The best thing about the Indoctrination theory is that it leaves an opening for a more complete ending.  It would not 'hurt' Bioware to take this route in a DLC as they would have given those who did not want to buy DLC and enjoyed the existing ending a complete ending (Most pro gaming reviews take it that way), while also appealing to those who did not like the ending with *more*.

I do admit my take (the reapers won) pretty much kills the franchise for anything post ME3. 

[Luiginius]

Very comprehensive video from Joe.

[Cody]

RagingCeltik wrote...

Check out this youtube video uploaded on June 6th, 2011 and tell me something isn't really, really, fishy about the source of inspiration for Bioware.

Sweet jumping jeebus...it uses the same pic as I posted. Changes colors between Red, Blue and Green. Is called starchild...and the lyrics explain the friggin ending. Wtf.

[RazorrX]

I actually currently have "Space Winter" as my desktop background. *shrug* cool picture actually.

[RagingCeltik]

Sarah Aran wrote...

http://www.vandal.ne...-60000-dolares/

Here's the link to the main article, which is at the top this page http://www.20minutos.es/tecnologia/

In a nutshell, the language is all very neutral and primarily informative, with little editorializing. It also has a link to the Child's Play effort.

Use translate.google.com if you want to read the site in English.

[Syrellaris]

[not quoting everything , the people that I am talking to will know who they are haha]

Well I remember bioware saying that Mass Effect 3 would be the last Shepard game, but not neccesarily the final mass effect game. it could be they have planned a few DLC releases regarding some more background information and character depth though. Altough that the game would continue, but this time from a different character. Why else did they introduce the Captain to the game so late and he survived.

Though this still does not make sense of the normandy crash landing, but it could perhaps mean the normandy was never there to begin with.

[Gespenst]

I think the ending *could* be a case of indoctrination.  Many things fit if you want to look at it that way.

I also think the ending *could* be the dying dream of Shepard as you bleed out on earth and that last panel is your dying breath.

If the indoctrination ending were true then they forgot half of it! The part where you break free (depending on CHOICES) and actually see an ending that doesn't ruin the whole franchise by its existence.

However I think if I were them I'd jump on the chance, say "yes, it was true all along. And now here's some free* DLC where you see a satisfying conclusion and epilogue and Harbinger actually gets a line"

* I say free because, although it would be worth money to me to fix the series I can't see them selling people on buying the ending.

[elsunga]

I know it was mentioned earlier but it is good to remember few things:

This will take some time. Be patient. Do not expect we can win in a few days.
Do not be naive. Even if we "win" it will be some kind of compromise.
Stay strong and do not be tempted. If you would be able to resist play multiplayer you will increase our message to BW/EAC.
And always be polite and civil.


Hold the line.

[Fulgrim88]

This guy sums up some ~57 grave logical flaws with the ending. Oh my

https://docs.google....?pli=1&sle=true

What a sad way to kill your own Lore.
The only way I can see this being done is removing the Star Child altogether.

It does give some fuel to the Indoc Theory though, seeing how some surreal elements seem almost too intentional

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 18 mars 2012 - 10:44 .

[mutio]

Just wanted to post this video here:


I think that guy explains the major flaws all calm and quite well.

Hold the line people!

[Lil One]

CodyMelch wrote...

RagingCeltik wrote...

Check out this youtube video uploaded on June 6th, 2011 and tell me something isn't really, really, fishy about the source of inspiration for Bioware.

Sweet jumping jeebus...it uses the same pic as I posted. Changes colors between Red, Blue and Green. Is called starchild...and the lyrics explain the friggin ending. Wtf.

I know, it's crazy!

I like the music, though.

[Lil One]

Whoops, double post!

Modifié par Lil One, 18 mars 2012 - 10:39 .

[Fallenfromthesky]

Gespenst wrote...

Fallenfromthesky wrote...


•  Finally the biggest upset the ending simply felt hasty and unfinisged

Well, I've heard (second link in my signature) that they were working towards one end (remember Haestroms sun?) for the entire series (there would have only been two outcomes but it was the mother of all Paragon/Renegade choices) and then at some point they scrapped that and we got ... what we got.

An endgame sequence that feels so ... wrong I honestly thought it was a hallucination and a twist and ending that were just... I can't think of a nice way to say stupid.

If we'd gotten the ending they'd planned at the start or if the Crucible had just been another reaper trick and you just pounded the reapers flat and the only thing that mattered in the end was your EMS (if you didn't unite the galaxy you'd lose, if you got about half you'd win but die etc) I would have hoisted Mass Effect on my shoulders and paraded it about as one of the greatest franchises there ever was or ever will be...

But we didn't. There was no satisfaction to be had. We got a bunch of stuff that's so odd and so much of a disappointment that you'd swear it had to be fake in-universe.

If the "indoctrination" theory had turned out to be right and the choices actually represented Shepard either giving into indoctrination or fighting it and then s/he just went on to press the I win button I could even have accepted that (as long as the relays didn't blow up, that's another thing that just makes no sense).

Edit: ^ That was yours? That's some good work there. I hope you don't mind but I added a link to it in my signature earlier today.

Spread the word shout it from rooftop if you have to but correct the spelling mistake I just noticed I made. as for the view I have no specilist training I'm just a Mass Effect fan gifted with logic and an undying love for the whole series 

Hold The Line 

[MatronAdena]

what I do think is funny in a very sad way is that the community " and a smaller one" managed to go through and rip apart the flaws in revelations when it came out,- yet the thought never crossed anyone's mind that the exact same thing would happen on a larger scale with the game itself...the flagship of the franchise as a whole, the reason the books came to be in the first place.

[atghunter]

Heading out for a bit. Tried to get Marauder Shields to run my errands, but he's still trying to save ME3 players the world over.

I will get back to the inbox when I return! Great discussions going on btw (the Space Winter picture posts really caught my eye).

Stay strong no matter what side you take, stay civil, share your ideas, use your voice and follow your conscience!

[MajorUhlan]

Just watched Joe's video, and while it could have been more concise, he made all the right points, outlined massive holes, and I love the sequence showing all three Red, Blue, Green ending cinematics.

Dirty pool, old man. Dirty pool.

[IndustrializedTaco]

CodyMelch wrote...

RagingCeltik wrote...

Check out this youtube video uploaded on June 6th, 2011 and tell me something isn't really, really, fishy about the source of inspiration for Bioware.

Sweet jumping jeebus...it uses the same pic as I posted. Changes colors between Red, Blue and Green. Is called starchild...and the lyrics explain the friggin ending. Wtf.

ARE YOU SERIOUS!!!!!1!1!!
The song wasn't even that good.
M. Shields died for this?

Modifié par beetlebailey123, 18 mars 2012 - 10:43 .