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[Enichan]

animadpig wrote...

Return your ME3 to the store! This is the most strong protest you can do to Bioware and EA.

Bought it on Origin, so can't.

Um, so guys, I'm starting to find the indoctrination theory more and more plausible. Does this mean I've gone from the anger stage into the denial stage of mourning?

[Optimus J]

Enichan wrote...

I have a practical question. So far I've donated to Child's Play, replied to the suggestions thread, and cancelled my SWTOR account, and I'm not playing any ME of any flavour until further notice. But what else can I do, besides keep posting here every now and again?

Then post now and again.

I know it's easy for me to not play ME games anymore, since the end was so bad that the contamination was able to retroactively make everything SUCK. All those awesome decisions lost all their meaning.

[mumwaldee369]

Mighty_BOB_cnc wrote...

I was actually looking at the stock trends on Google today. EA's stock is up, and BioWare's trading symbol is "private."

It's down hard over the last 4 months though and it fluctuates several percent per day.  Hardly stable.  Gamers could buy in and then apply pressure as stock holders, or short sell to punish wayward execs.

[Michotic]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Hey Guys!

I just registrated ME 3 so I could post here.
I've been around the forum for some time now but merely as spectator. This will be my first post.

First of all, I find it great that so many people care about the franchise I I came to adore over the course of the three games. Frankly, I've never been so crazy about a series of videogames (with the exception of the Fallout Series).
I would count myself in with the older gamers around here in the forum since I'm actually old enough to have bought and play Bioware games since BG1. I always adored their games and played every single one of them more then a few times. Just loving them. And I do love ME 3. The gaming experience I had on my first playthrough (which I finished just yesterday) was amazing. Walking in on every former member of my crew (couldn't bear to loose either one of them), seeing them playing minor, major and every parts in between, contributing to the mission. The sound effects and ingame-videos are some of the best I ever had the pleasure to experience. The contributions made to the already vast, but dense lore revealed amazing facts: EDI being the rogue Luna A.I., Legion being first geth to take up arms against their creators after asking the soul question, stuff like that. The whole game felt like it was the last stand the universe could take before total extinction, I was motivated all the time. I felt sick when Mordin sacrificed himself because "somebody else could have gotten it wrong", proud when Wrex called my Shepard "brother", sick and ultimately relieved when Grunt tore his way through rachni husks, sad when Shepard prayed with Koylat in front of Thane's dead body, glad that Liara finally said those three words to my Shepard when he needed them because he was only one step away from getting insane and incredibly vengeful when I started "Priority: Earth". Finally I could take up my arms to stick it to the reapers and the illusive man. THe whole felt like relieving, I was glad Shepard finally made and took all possible precautions over the course of many hundred hours of a space odyssey. I was ready to blow the reapers back to darkspace, break the cycle, deak high-fives with Garrus while having a rnycol with Wrex and Grunt, then take Liara and ride into the sunset.

But then everything turned out to be insanely different in a unbelievable manner in a matter of 5 minutes. What the hell was going on? Weird spacechild god-A.I. babbling nonsense without my Shepard having the opportunity of a renegade interrupt to "blast that virtual ass into actual dust", just stupidly asking question like some imbecile. Weird black tentacles roaming my screen, voices from everywhere. After I realized that my choices were very limited with insanely stupid consequences without regarding ANYTHING of all the preparation work I had done except EMS due to being indoctrinated, hallucinating or going insane, I reluctantly walked towards the weird device and destroyed the reapers. After the following scenes not giving the slightest feeling of achievement of success a weird old man appears in front of a scene which appears to be copy and pasted from google images telling his grandson stories of some "Shepard". After that credits roll with the polite invitation to buy future dlc.... WHAT THE HELL?? What just happened? I couldn't figure it out. I'm still dazzled by this experience and I'm still not sure if I should believe what I saw. This couldn't be it, could it? This is how James Shepard, Spacer and War Hero, Hero of the Citadel, Defender of Saren, Defeater of the Collectors, the man who blew up and entire solar system should end? And what about everyone else? Why is everybody trapped in the Sol System? Where did my companions go, what happened to them?

Man, I was disappointed like hell. I've never felt so burnt out after a game. No sense of accomplishment whatsoever. Still can't get over it.
I'm sorry this post became such a wall of text, but I wanted to explain and describe my experience of the ending so many people are disappointed about. Now I'm one of them. Now I need to get in the line and hold it.
I think it's really great what you people accomplished until now, never thought something like this was possible. I'll try and contribute by getting the word out. But I think you guys will be glad to hear that in Germany and the Netherlands (where I reside) the issue has already hit serious media. Here's the link to an article by the german newspaper "Die Zeit": www.zeit.de/digital/games/2012-03/mass-effect-3-ende-protest

So, I'm going to stuff it now, already is too much text.
Keep it you guys!

I thank you for your post and support good sir (or madam )!

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[Hydralysk]

Enichan wrote...

I have a practical question. So far I've donated to Child's Play, replied to the suggestions thread, and cancelled my SWTOR account, and I'm not playing any ME of any flavour until further notice. But what else can I do, besides keep posting here every now and again?

You can also tell any of your local or nationwide mediaoutlets about our movement. There's always a chance they'll bite, and even if they don't listen to one they might get curious if they're notified by more people.

[Optimus J]

Enichan wrote...

animadpig wrote...

Return your ME3 to the store! This is the most strong protest you can do to Bioware and EA.

Bought it on Origin, so can't.

Um, so guys, I'm starting to find the indoctrination theory more and more plausible. Does this mean I've gone from the anger stage into the denial stage of mourning?

NOT SAYING to do that. Since I'm not doing that while we still holding the line.
BUT you CAN return via origin. Go to you buying history, select ME3, show details and there will be a RETURN button over the PRINT RECEIPT.

[vigna]

Enichan wrote...

animadpig wrote...

Return your ME3 to the store! This is the most strong protest you can do to Bioware and EA.

Bought it on Origin, so can't.

Um, so guys, I'm starting to find the indoctrination theory more and more plausible. Does this mean I've gone from the anger stage into the denial stage of mourning?

hudson has clearly stated that the end is the intended end. he admits they have more "shepard" in teh works, but Indoct is just a fanatsy that fits logically.

[cyrrant]

I am reminded of something just now.  IGN recently put a poll up on their facebook (www.facebook.com/ign) which everyone should vote on.  In addition, rumor's going around that that vicious Colin Moriarty video calling us names has been removed and is nowhere to be found.  Anything think this is the prophecied shift in the related news media to a more neutral stance so they don't come out on the losing side of this debacle?

If so, we should keep up the pressure.  Everyone go vote on that facebook poll, but save your strength and don't over-exert.  Tomorrow could be the MOST important day to the movement, as the workweek begins and Bioware checks in to see how effective their PR was over the weekend.

DON'T LET THEM GET AWAY WITH IT.  Tomorrow, post here on the BSN, on Facebook, anywhere you can to show just how potent Retake Mass Effect has become.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[OneWithTheAssassins]

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Let me rephrase.
Who is up to take actual action on Bioware and let our acual voices be heared by them at PAX East instead of posting "Hold the line" no matter how grand it is and HOPEING Bioware will see?
PAX East Platoon social.bioware.com/group/7049/

You do this. You will lose.

The minute someone barges into that panel acting like an unruly protestor negates your whole movement. Just a fair warning.

I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

[Luiginius]

FreakyProphet wrote...

Here's an update from international game retail chain Game in Sweden: they recently sent out an offer to all subscribers to their email news channel to buyback the game at very near the original retail price from anyone who feels like they've already had enough of it. If that's not a clear statement and warning to Bioware, and IMO even more, EA, to stop ****ing around and get their **** together, I don't know what is.

Indeed, I consider Electronic Arts, much more than Bioware, to be the main culprit in this drama. I have seen many smaller game development studios that used to possess a strong creative vision and to put pride in their work, after being acquired by EA, suddenly starting to churn out nothing but bull**** excuses for games on a regular basis. A long-time fan of the old Ultima series of RPGs, I remember with particular bile EA:s acquisition of Origin Systems (the development studio that made the Ultima games) which eventually led to the death of the company and the franchise, and it wasn't a pretty demise either. What has Bioware produced since switching to EA as publisher? ME2 (good, although certainly designed to cater to a much larger audience than the original ME), DA2 (rushed, with a forced style of gameplay and ending, also designed to cater to action-oriented gamers as much as hardcore roleplayers, unlike its predecessor), SWToR (can't really comment on the quality of this product as I've not tried it nor intend to as things currently stand), and now ME3 (no comment needed). It seems obvious to me that EA has a very unfortunate (and, in the long term certainly nonprofitable) habit of forcing several practices on the game studios they deal with, the 2 most fatal being:

1. Design to cater to as large an audience within the global gaming community as possible, even at the cost of selling out a franchise's very soul and everything that defined it. In every single instance I have witnessed where EA suddenly takes over an existing franchise this pattern has been painfully obvious. Hardcore RPG:s become more action-oriented at the expense of roleplaying elements. This happened to the Ultima series upon EA:s acquisition of Origin Systems, and it happened to the Mass Effect franchise beginning with ME2 (which although admittedly being an excellent game, was noticeably more FPS and less RPG than the original Mass Effect).

2. Rushing in order to satisfy fiscal bookkeeping, once again at the expense of quality and even the possible cost of selling out the very soul of franchises. Once again I recognize the pattern from DA2 and ME3 in the case of the Ultima series, most notably the concluding chapter of that series, Ultima IX. In this case, EA forced Origin to release an underdeveloped, bug-ridden mess of a game that in the end was such an unworthy conclusion to the franchise that the protests resulting from the release were initially comparable to the RetakeME3 in force. Lacking the coherence and efficient communication that we now have access to, however, the protests quickly lost momentum in that instance, allowing EA to get away cleanly to pull the same ****ing **** all over again on other companies and their fans. They are in my eyes mostly reminiscent of a locust swarm that takes over companies, consumes their very soul and leave them empty husks. They have now gotten to the Mass Effect franchise and are attempting to pull their **** all over again. I have to wonder, though, if they will get away with it this time, for the first time faced with such vocal, coordinated and massive opposition. Indeed, the parallells one might draw to the Reapers vs. the Galactic Alliance of Mass Effect are numerous. I have to wonder if we will allow EA:s tyrannizing of and preying on the games industry to continue or if we will

hold the line

Wou. That's how you keep customers happy.
Whatever the number of people that will eventually return their copies, the information that they have that option solidifies that retailers status as a trustworthy store.

Concerning EA. When you want to please everyone, you end up pleasing no one. I wasn't that concerned with the fewer dialog options this time around with ME3, it sort of fitted to the urgency of the situation. Like:"every day spent means more dead people on earth". However. What will happen to ME4? When there will be entirely new main and supporting characters. Not knowing anyone would really require more dialog and dialog options. 

Hopefully the desire to sell to everyone won't kill the soul of the franchise.

Modifié par Luiginius, 19 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[vigna]

That  IGN guy was a jerk. He went all renegade Shepard. I will never click a link to their site again unless they side with us.

Modifié par vigna, 19 mars 2012 - 12:54 .

[c3pu2]

Enichan wrote...

animadpig wrote...

Return your ME3 to the store! This is the most strong protest you can do to Bioware and EA.

Bought it on Origin, so can't.

Um, so guys, I'm starting to find the indoctrination theory more and more plausible. Does this mean I've gone from the anger stage into the denial stage of mourning?

yea totally just kidding it means your starting to get indoctrinated by ea

[cyrrant]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Let me rephrase.
Who is up to take actual action on Bioware and let our acual voices be heared by them at PAX East instead of posting "Hold the line" no matter how grand it is and HOPEING Bioware will see?
PAX East Platoon social.bioware.com/group/7049/

You do this. You will lose.

The minute someone barges into that panel acting like an unruly protestor negates your whole movement. Just a fair warning.

I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

The entirety of the movement has been downright gentlemanly as far as internet protests go.  I have faith that this will be pulled off in the classiest fashion possible.  Everyone can glare daggers at them, though.  That would probably be fairly disconcerting.

[shephard987]

Optimus J wrote...

Enichan wrote...

animadpig wrote...

Return your ME3 to the store! This is the most strong protest you can do to Bioware and EA.

Bought it on Origin, so can't.

Um, so guys, I'm starting to find the indoctrination theory more and more plausible. Does this mean I've gone from the anger stage into the denial stage of mourning?

NOT SAYING to do that. Since I'm not doing that while we still holding the line.
BUT you CAN return via origin. Go to you buying history, select ME3, show details and there will be a RETURN button over the PRINT RECEIPT.

I am only returning my copies of the mass effect series only when I now that BioWare or EA, or both, are never going to fix this crapfest. Otherwise, if I do and they fix this, I will have to re-buy the game to finally enjoy it. 
Hold The Line

[LinksOcarina]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Let me rephrase.
Who is up to take actual action on Bioware and let our acual voices be heared by them at PAX East instead of posting "Hold the line" no matter how grand it is and HOPEING Bioware will see?
PAX East Platoon social.bioware.com/group/7049/

You do this. You will lose.

The minute someone barges into that panel acting like an unruly protestor negates your whole movement. Just a fair warning.

I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

Intentions are noble.

But try to control a group of angry nerds and geeks dressed up in costume at a panel. It is...difficult.

[hoodie_gypsy]

I'm getting a sense of fatigue and some disarray on the boards tonight. Just wanted to drop in and encourage everyone to stay civil and focused. If we're going to pull this off, getting derailed or overbearing will detract from the overall goal. I'm taking a break from the forums for the rest of the night. If you're not ready to unplug from the bsn just yet, then may I encourage positive and creative posting? Join some of the "favorites" or fan threads and maybe try to refrain from referring to the ending constantly. If you've already posted your official thoughts on the "changes" thread today, perhaps abstain from flooding it with redundancy. The majority of us are here because we love the game, and it's ok to focus on some of the reasons why without feeling like we're betraying a cause.

Just my thoughts. See everyone tomorrow.

[mrderp27]

vigna wrote...

That  IGN guy was a jerk. He went all renegade Shepard. I will never click a link to their site again unless they side with us.

you shouldn't go on IGN, regardless.
IGN sucks

[Captiosus77]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...
I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

Questions at that panel are going to be screened seven ways from Sunday. Given the current climate, I am pretty sure they're going to go out of their way to avoid the ending discussion completely at the PAX panel.

The best case scenario is that they have a concrete announcement about ending changing content that they deliver right at the start of the panel, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

[Irishkev]

Luiginius wrote...

 What will happen to ME4? When there will be entirely new main and supporting characters. Not knowing anyone would really require more dialog and dialog options. 

Hopefully the desire to sell to everyone won't kill the soul of the franchise.

Who is they say that the fight for earth is over if you beleive the induction theroy  then ME4 could be the CONTINUE the fight to TAKE BACK EARTH 
 
I cry because I can see this happen

[Enichan]

Optimus J wrote...

NOT SAYING to do that. Since I'm not doing that while we still holding the line.
BUT you CAN return via origin. Go to you buying history, select ME3, show details and there will be a RETURN button over the PRINT RECEIPT.

I was almost impressed with Origin over Steam. Then I found out that going to my buying history just keeps redirecting me back to the store, so I still couldn't do this even if I wanted to. Funny!

[c3pu2]

Enichan wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

NOT SAYING to do that. Since I'm not doing that while we still holding the line.
BUT you CAN return via origin. Go to you buying history, select ME3, show details and there will be a RETURN button over the PRINT RECEIPT.

I was almost impressed with Origin over Steam. Then I found out that going to my buying history just keeps redirecting me back to the store, so I still couldn't do this even if I wanted to. Funny!

unless they removed the option over the weekend

[Michotic]

shephard987 wrote...

I am only returning my copies of the mass effect series only when I now that BioWare or EA, or both, are never going to fix this crapfest. Otherwise, if I do and they fix this, I will have to re-buy the game to finally enjoy it. 
Hold The Line

I'm at this point as well. I'm not happy with BioWare, but I'm not going to return my purchases yet. However, if they don't do anything to fix this 'situation', I'll be getting rid of these games, along with any chance of me purchasing another of their products.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

Modifié par Michotic, 19 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Let me rephrase.
Who is up to take actual action on Bioware and let our acual voices be heared by them at PAX East instead of posting "Hold the line" no matter how grand it is and HOPEING Bioware will see?
PAX East Platoon social.bioware.com/group/7049/

You do this. You will lose.

The minute someone barges into that panel acting like an unruly protestor negates your whole movement. Just a fair warning.

I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

Intentions are noble.

But try to control a group of angry nerds and geeks dressed up in costume at a panel. It is...difficult.

...We have Marauder Shields and "Hold The Line" t-shirts.

[c3pu2]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Let me rephrase.
Who is up to take actual action on Bioware and let our acual voices be heared by them at PAX East instead of posting "Hold the line" no matter how grand it is and HOPEING Bioware will see?
PAX East Platoon social.bioware.com/group/7049/

You do this. You will lose.

The minute someone barges into that panel acting like an unruly protestor negates your whole movement. Just a fair warning.

I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

Intentions are noble.

But try to control a group of angry nerds and geeks dressed up in costume at a panel. It is...difficult.

...We have Marauder Shields and "Hold The Line" t-shirts.

are there t for real

[LinksOcarina]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Let me rephrase.
Who is up to take actual action on Bioware and let our acual voices be heared by them at PAX East instead of posting "Hold the line" no matter how grand it is and HOPEING Bioware will see?
PAX East Platoon social.bioware.com/group/7049/

You do this. You will lose.

The minute someone barges into that panel acting like an unruly protestor negates your whole movement. Just a fair warning.

I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

Intentions are noble.

But try to control a group of angry nerds and geeks dressed up in costume at a panel. It is...difficult.

...We have Marauder Shields and "Hold The Line" t-shirts.

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.