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[jimbo32]

Posting to comment on cokohpuffs41's economics post that's been edited into the OP.

cokohpuffs41 wrote...
....(snipped)
Let's suppose that EA/Bioware really does listen to the public outcry and appease fans with new, high quality endings via DLC (and perhaps, if EA/Bioware really wants to get in the good graces of their fans, they'll release a supplimental disc for those who do not have online access on consoles -- of course, at a reasonably higher price than the DLC since they still have to manufacture and distribute the hard content).  Unfortunately, if they indeed make the ending DLC high quality, we will most likely have to pay for their efforts/expenses, no matter what we do or say...but most of the passionate fans "holding the line" will gladly shell out a bit of extra cash to get the closure we wanted to our beloved trilogy.

After releasing this content, not only will fans be appeased, but their credibility as a massive company who not only listens to their fans/consumers, but also reacts to the feedback will be heightened.  This will lead to better press not only for the game itself, but for the company's image as a consumer-minded entity.

The part I take issue with is bolded and underlined. I don't think that's true *at all*. Rather than "gladly shell out a bit of extra cash", what I would do is grudgingly shell out my cash, and then never buy another EA product again. When a final game in a series ships with an "ending" (and I use that term loosely) that resolves little, makes no sense in the context of established in-game canon, and completely betrays the character of the main protagonist, none of us should have to pay extra to have those things fixed. They made a decision to include the current content, and that decision turned out to be a poor one.

Giving them more money to repair their own mistake will not be something that I do "gladly", and if I ending up having to do so, they will have lost me as a customer just as surely as if they hadn't made a fix in the first place.

(Edited for formatting. God, the auto-formatting on these forums is awful)

Modifié par jimbo32, 19 mars 2012 - 01:07 .

[c3pu2]

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Let me rephrase.
Who is up to take actual action on Bioware and let our acual voices be heared by them at PAX East instead of posting "Hold the line" no matter how grand it is and HOPEING Bioware will see?
PAX East Platoon social.bioware.com/group/7049/

You do this. You will lose.

The minute someone barges into that panel acting like an unruly protestor negates your whole movement. Just a fair warning.

I wasn't going for unruly.
I was meaning that we would sit there as a group like any other person and ask questions about the ending. Leting them know we're not the minority.

Intentions are noble.

But try to control a group of angry nerds and geeks dressed up in costume at a panel. It is...difficult.

...We have Marauder Shields and "Hold The Line" t-shirts.

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

plus there sure as hell going to be a cople people going just to make trouble i say we dont go at all and make it official so if people do go and make trouble our ass is coverd

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Michotic wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

I am only returning my copies of the mass effect series only when I now that BioWare or EA, or both, are never going to fix this crapfest. Otherwise, if I do and they fix this, I will have to re-buy the game to finally enjoy it. 
Hold The Line

I'm at this point as well. I'm not happy with BioWare, but I'm not going to return my purchases yet. However, if they don't do anything to fix this 'situation', I'll be getting rid of these games, along with any chance of me purchasing another of their products.

Don't get rid of the games!
I know the last ten minutes ruin the games for some but even if we don't get what we want, what we need. It was about the journey and the characters we grew to love that kept us playing then after five years. Sooner or later, you'll end up regreting selling those memories.

[clanogrady]

http://theparanoidga...ign=zergnet.com

This is linked?/taken from another thread. Not sure if already posted here.

[cyrrant]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Don't get rid of the games!
I know the last ten minutes ruin the games for some but even if we don't get what we want, what we need. It was about the journey and the characters we grew to love that kept us playing then after five years. Sooner or later, you'll end up regreting selling those memories.

If you can return the game for a full refund, you may as well.  It's just money in your pocket you can use to re-buy the game when the endings get fixed, and you do your duty of sending the message to BW that the ending was not acceptable and you won't be a part of what they've done.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[ArmyKnifeX]

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

[Ender99]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Is there anyone here from Boston who can go to PAX to help represent up?

I would, but I live a little too far away for it to be feasible. As it is, I will go with you in spirit to hold the line!

[Drasoini]

The important part is to keep the questions at PAX East civil, polite, and in all things, focused. Let the rabble rousers or the plants have their say, then pull a red t-shirt guy and tell them that they're wrong with -facts-. Don't get angry or vitriolic, stand up to them with the collected information from across the ME fanbase, bring in the docs showing how their ending was both completely left field and stolen from a rather engaging band's song (See prior posts in this thread). Never, EVER resort to swearing or name calling, fight any attempt at deflection, just use the facts. And you will come out on top.

[hex23]

No offense but it kinda doesn't matter if you go to PAX with an "official" Retake Mass Effect group. Trust me that will be covered regardless, and probably by people who aren't as polite as you guys.

Like I said before this board is easily the most mature and calm I've seen when it comes to the ending, Bioware, and "ME3" in general. If Bioware doesn't completely nail their appearance at PAX, I mean pull something incredible out of their hat, it is going to get ugly.

[Michotic]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Don't get rid of the games!
I know the last ten minutes ruin the games for some but even if we don't get what we want, what we need. It was about the journey and the characters we grew to love that kept us playing then after five years. Sooner or later, you'll end up regreting selling those memories.

I won't be selling my memories. I'll always have that. However, I do know that I could not play a series like Mass Effect if the current ending is kept the way it is. I do not want to do it, but I also don't want to hold on to something that just reminds me of how terrible BioWare became.

I agree the journey is important. However, part of the journey is the destination. Both of these factors are what gives me a fulfilling experience. Would I really enjoy a beautiful train ride if I was going to end up at Chernobyl?

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

Ender99 wrote...

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

Is there anyone here from Boston who can go to PAX to help represent up?

I would, but I live a little too far away for it to be feasible. As it is, I will go with you in spirit to hold the line!

Think of it as a roadtrip to a better ending for you.

[LinksOcarina]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

[OneWithTheAssassins]

hex23 wrote...

No offense but it kinda doesn't matter if you go to PAX with an "official" Retake Mass Effect group. Trust me that will be covered regardless, and probably by people who aren't as polite as you guys.

Like I said before this board is easily the most mature and calm I've seen when it comes to the ending, Bioware, and "ME3" in general. If Bioware doesn't completely nail their appearance at PAX, I mean pull something incredible out of their hat, it is going to get ugly.

I understand, I just thought it would be nice for Bioware to see that we're not just a mass of angery words on a computer screen.

[c3pu2]

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

[c3pu2]

and if you do go dont go officially as retake me movement members

[Ytook]

Hi there, I'v never posted on a Bioware forum before and I wouldn't usualy but I felt the need to add some support to this effort, I was wondering if anyone had any directions they could give me as to how I could best support the RetakeME3 campaign as someone who believes the trilogy is 99% fantastic and that 1% is redeemable.

Thanks for spending time on an ignorant (and probably annoying) newbie

[Luiginius]

Hmm, didn't find a way to return ME via origin,
but I was told there was a 50% off deal from over 100 titles.
I wonder why.

Modifié par Luiginius, 19 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[InsaneNarwhal]

Ytook wrote...

Hi there, I'v never posted on a Bioware forum before and I wouldn't usualy but I felt the need to add some support to this effort, I was wondering if anyone had any directions they could give me as to how I could best support the RetakeME3 campaign as someone who believes the trilogy is 99% fantastic and that 1% is redeemable.

Thanks for spending time on an ignorant (and probably annoying) newbie

No one is ignorant or annoying here if you're being civil. =3

[c3pu2]

Ytook wrote...

Hi there, I'v never posted on a Bioware forum before and I wouldn't usualy but I felt the need to add some support to this effort, I was wondering if anyone had any directions they could give me as to how I could best support the RetakeME3 campaign as someone who believes the trilogy is 99% fantastic and that 1% is redeemable.

Thanks for spending time on an ignorant (and probably annoying) newbie

lol you can read the op its realy long but realy eye openning and all the important link r at the end

Modifié par c3pu2, 19 mars 2012 - 01:19 .

[OneWithTheAssassins]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

That IS a fair warning. I remember the OWS fiasco, it got ugly very quickly.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

All I want is the product I was told I was buying. The issue is simple. Are video game companies allowed to out and out to trick people into buying their products? I say no and I hope most people will stand with me as long as it takes to make Bioware make this right. Don't touch any of their or EA's stuff until they do.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[c3pu2]

Luiginius wrote...

Hmm, didn't find a way to return ME via origin,
but I was told there was a 50% off deal from over 100 titles.
I wonder why.

deflection/faux olive branch or some thing like that

[Carnage752]

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

We have a good structure, and I think you underestimate us. We have always urged our movement to remain civil and polite, we have organized letter campaigns and called attention from the media. We have over 60K donated to Child's Play and counting. I think we have done a great job so far.

We stay focused on the ending, and we all share similar mission goals for changes. We are also prepared for the worst if Bioware intends to drag this out.

You seem to be identifying the OMG ENDING SUX BIOWARE EVULLLLL crowd as us. We are not. We approach them with civility and reasonable intentions. We do NOT endorse that ridiculous FTC complaint. We welcome all REASONABLE discussions on why the ending isn't good.

You underestimate us.

[Syrellaris]

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

[Carnage752]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

That IS a fair warning. I remember the OWS fiasco, it got ugly very quickly.

Indeed. We keep it civil and don't stray from our goal, we will be fine.