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[Ytook]

Thanks all

[DocDoomII]

c3pu2 wrote...

Luiginius wrote...

Hmm, didn't find a way to return ME via origin,
but I was told there was a 50% off deal from over 100 titles.
I wonder why.

deflection/faux olive branch or some thing like that

It's like when they gave away free ME2 for people who bought DA2.

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

You underestimate us. We will act civilly, and do not endorse ANYONE who is not civil in their argument.s

[Totally Not Swaggacide]

@atghunter
Thank you do much for opening my eyes. I didn't realize I was being played this hard.

[LinksOcarina]

Carnage752 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

We have a good structure, and I think you underestimate us. We have always urged our movement to remain civil and polite, we have organized letter campaigns and called attention from the media. We have over 60K donated to Child's Play and counting. I think we have done a great job so far.

We stay focused on the ending, and we all share similar mission goals for changes. We are also prepared for the worst if Bioware intends to drag this out.

You seem to be identifying the OMG ENDING SUX BIOWARE EVULLLLL crowd as us. We are not. We approach them with civility and reasonable intentions. We do NOT endorse that ridiculous FTC complaint. We welcome all REASONABLE discussions on why the ending isn't good.

You underestimate us.

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

[c3pu2]

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

up they dont seem to understand how these things go

[Thornne]

hoodie_gypsy wrote...

I'm getting a sense of fatigue and some disarray on the boards tonight. Just wanted to drop in and encourage everyone to stay civil and focused. If we're going to pull this off, getting derailed or overbearing will detract from the overall goal. I'm taking a break from the forums for the rest of the night...

As I've said in some other threads, I believe it's fairly clear to most everyone that there is a real problem with the ending, and it is a pretty big problem.  New players are going to be hitting the ending, and they're likely going to have largely the same reactions, in the same proportions, as players who have already finished.

So I suspect this issue is going to get worse for Bioware before it gets better.  Even if all the people who are upset about the ending right now stopped doing anything, there would still be many new people to come in and take their place.  That is what I think the primary goal of Casey Hudson's friday message was -- to try and re-assure those who have yet to finish (or probably more importantly, have yet to buy) ME3.  Basically saying 'look, it's not that bad, and even if you really don't like, don't get all upset (and protest) because we'll do something about it anyway.'

[Syrellaris]

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

You underestimate us. We will act civilly, and do not endorse ANYONE who is not civil in their argument.s

No am I am just handing out a normal warning, it is as that one poster says. You just need 1 bad apple in the bunch to rile everyone up and that would result in plenty of people being removed if not the entire group.

I am not saying people wont act civilly, I am just giving a heads up, that security simply does not play around at any major events. So no need to be defensive, just a friendly warning here for good will

[cyrrant]

Ytook wrote...

Hi there, I'v never posted on a Bioware forum before and I wouldn't usualy but I felt the need to add some support to this effort, I was wondering if anyone had any directions they could give me as to how I could best support the RetakeME3 campaign as someone who believes the trilogy is 99% fantastic and that 1% is redeemable.

Thanks for spending time on an ignorant (and probably annoying) newbie

Welcome to the BSN!  Thank you for coming and you will find the solace you seek here, but it won't shake your burning desire for new endings.  I have a few ideas as to what you could start doing.

Read the first post in this thread, it's long, but worth it, and it will keep your senses sharp as you trudge through ankle-deep PR spin.

After you've done that, there are a bunch of things you could do.

Like the facebook group here: www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3
Donate to Child's Play in support of the cause: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/1

Head out into the BSN and start engaging, but don't tire yourself out.  Tomorrow is a big hurdle, as it is the first day of the work week and the first day that Bioware will be checking in officially on how their weekend PR went.  That is the day to make your voice loudest.  Post here, on facebook, on twitter, anywhere to show that you are holding the line in support of changes to the endings.

Remember, above all, remain civil in all your dealings here on the BSN, it is a core tenet of what we're about.  We all love Bioware and we know they can make it right.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[InsaneNarwhal]

@LinksOcarina

Calm down and be civil. We don't have a formal leadership for this very reason: this is a community of people standing together to voice disappointment and request a change. Nothing more, nothing less. =3

[Hydralysk]

Ytook wrote...

Hi there, I'v never posted on a Bioware forum before and I wouldn't usualy but I felt the need to add some support to this effort, I was wondering if anyone had any directions they could give me as to how I could best support the RetakeME3 campaign as someone who believes the trilogy is 99% fantastic and that 1% is redeemable.

Thanks for spending time on an ignorant (and probably annoying) newbie

We're planning to try and get #Retakeme trending as a topic on twitter at the moment, we also had a letter campaign yesterday but you're still welcome to send yours in. If you want to submit our movement to any local or nationwide media outlets as a potential story it could also help our cause. Other than that just keep holding the line, but take breaks so you don't burn yourself out. And of course, remember to be civil.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 19 mars 2012 - 01:28 .

[Carnage752]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

We have a good structure, and I think you underestimate us. We have always urged our movement to remain civil and polite, we have organized letter campaigns and called attention from the media. We have over 60K donated to Child's Play and counting. I think we have done a great job so far.

We stay focused on the ending, and we all share similar mission goals for changes. We are also prepared for the worst if Bioware intends to drag this out.

You seem to be identifying the OMG ENDING SUX BIOWARE EVULLLLL crowd as us. We are not. We approach them with civility and reasonable intentions. We do NOT endorse that ridiculous FTC complaint. We welcome all REASONABLE discussions on why the ending isn't good.

You underestimate us.

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

You assume we need all of this. We will appoint the people we need in time. So far if I was going to name a spokesperson it would be Buchak. We have messaged ATG, but he insists he is too busy to speak for us.

[MeldarthX]

Enichan wrote...

I have a practical question. So far I've donated to Child's Play, replied to the suggestions thread, and cancelled my SWTOR account, and I'm not playing any ME of any flavour until further notice. But what else can I do, besides keep posting here every now and again?

I will say; if you want to play Multiplayer -

someone came up with a great Idea -

change your names to - Change ME3's Ending;

Give us an Actual Ending;

Hold The Line

Etc.......this will also be a way to get the message out........

[LinksOcarina]

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

@LinksOcarina

Calm down and be civil. We don't have a formal leadership for this very reason: this is a community of people standing together to voice disappointment and request a change. Nothing more, nothing less. =3

You are joking, right?

You are telling me to be civil when i'm asking a simple question....

As to your answer, that is why this movement will fail. So when you actually have structure and leadership, come back to me, I will then set up an interview for you all. 

although...

Carnage752 wrote...

You assume we need all of this. We will appoint the people we need in time. So far if I was going to name a spokesperson it would be Buchak. We have messaged ATG, but he insists he is too busy to speak for us.

 

Trust me, when I say you do need all of this. Otherwise all the efforts will be for naught. As for your spokesperson, tell them to contact me at their earliest convienence, IF what you say is true.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 19 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[Optimus J]

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Yeah, OKAY, it's really A BAAAADDDD Idea go to Pax. Better if NO LEGITIMATE PLAYERS shows up, so some faux douchebag hired by people like Moriarty do that stupid display of douchebagness, and NO CIVIL PROTESTERS are around, so people could write about how we are all a bunch of spoiled jackasses.

Or people with reason can go there and when those D-bags start to make a bad display they can say those fake protesters have nohing to do with the REAL movement and then people can start to ask who the hell are those crazy a-holes, if they aren't from Retake Mass Effect.

Seriously, why you people THINK any of your sabotages will not be uncovered in MINUTES?

CIVIL PEOPLE IN PAX, NOW!!! SHOW THEN HOW WE TALK WITH REASONING!!!!

Modifié par Optimus J, 19 mars 2012 - 01:29 .

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

You underestimate us. We will act civilly, and do not endorse ANYONE who is not civil in their argument.s

No am I am just handing out a normal warning, it is as that one poster says. You just need 1 bad apple in the bunch to rile everyone up and that would result in plenty of people being removed if not the entire group.

I am not saying people wont act civilly, I am just giving a heads up, that security simply does not play around at any major events. So no need to be defensive, just a friendly warning here for good will

Thanks. Once again, if possible we will make sure any unruly fans are not associated with us. We don't want a fight.

[mumwaldee369]

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

We are listening to your feedback.  We care.  Thank you.

[vigna]

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Agreed.

[Carnage752]

Guys keep it civil. They are just giving advice. You don't have to agree with it, but respect it.

[royceclemens]

Concerning PAX:

Well, considering that yes, one guy can completely screw the whole thing for everyone, handing EA a PR victory they didn't earn, my question is...

Would EA plant someone in the crowd to make a complete tool of themselves to give us bad press?

Because what's more feasible? Making a multimillion dollar DLC, or paying one guy sixty bucks to scream really loud in a public place?

[ArmyKnifeX]

Carnage752 wrote...
We have a good structure, and I think you underestimate us. We have always urged our movement to remain civil and polite, we have organized letter campaigns and called attention from the media. We have over 60K donated to Child's Play and counting. I think we have done a great job so far.

We stay focused on the ending, and we all share similar mission goals for changes. We are also prepared for the worst if Bioware intends to drag this out.

You seem to be identifying the OMG ENDING SUX BIOWARE EVULLLLL crowd as us. We are not. We approach them with civility and reasonable intentions. We do NOT endorse that ridiculous FTC complaint. We welcome all REASONABLE discussions on why the ending isn't good.

You underestimate us.

Thank you, Carnage. There's a large difference between this movement and other protests. One of these differences is the fact that we all came to this place because of an event that happened to us, not because we had to have support drummed up and our spirits riled up by speakers and other demonstrators. Protests like OWS and others rely on people being uncivil and upset, while being riled up by public speakers.

If you think about demonstrations like those organized during the civil rights movement, where people were calm, civil, and peaceful in their protests, that's more analogous to what we're going for and what a lot of us are capable of demonstrating.

Those people who are angry and showing it by behaving poorly are most certainly in the minority.

[Sarah Aran]

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

I'm not an expert at any of this, but here are my two cents. If atghunter or others see things differently, then just ignore this.

The Hold the Line movement has only made it this far through peace and civility. There's no need to ruin the hard work of many by trying to escalate things too far. Right now the movment needs to get its message out, to as many people as possible, so when the dev sit down at PAX, it won't be the movement asking the questions of the developers, but rather the very reporters they're trying to court.

A big convention like PAX is a great place for Bioware/EA to stand up and put forward their agenda, promote their products, etc. A bunch of fans in T-shirts in the crowd won't change that much. However, if the media all assemled there would rather spend their time asking Bioware about RetakeME3, rather than their next nebulous plans for games, well then you're hurting EA's PR machine.

[ValeriusNaso]

I normally don't use message boards because they can get so ugly, but this thread is great with everyone being so civil, even when there are disagreements. Hopefully with our civility, unity, and determination, BioWare will recognize our issues and solve this problem.

I don't see how the ending is supposed to be satisfying in any way when you save everyone from the Reapers, only to doom an enormous portion of them to die horribly in a Pan-Galactic famine. The supply chain dislocations already caused by the reapers would make it hard enough to keep huge numbers of people from starving, but knocking out the mass relays would make it an unmitigated disaster. Until I looked online, I was sure that my game had to be buggy, and only giving me the BAD ends. At least when I found out that those were the only ends, I saw other people already protesting and knew that I wasn't alone.

Our choices should matter; hold the line.

[Carnage752]

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Thing is what if somebody goes claiming to be with us?

BTW when is PAX?

[Carnage752]

royceclemens wrote...

Concerning PAX:

Well, considering that yes, one guy can completely screw the whole thing for everyone, handing EA a PR victory they didn't earn, my question is...

Would EA plant someone in the crowd to make a complete tool of themselves to give us bad press?

Because what's more feasible? Making a multimillion dollar DLC, or paying one guy sixty bucks to scream really loud in a public place?

We can deal with the situation if that happens.