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[vigna]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

We have a good structure, and I think you underestimate us. We have always urged our movement to remain civil and polite, we have organized letter campaigns and called attention from the media. We have over 60K donated to Child's Play and counting. I think we have done a great job so far.

We stay focused on the ending, and we all share similar mission goals for changes. We are also prepared for the worst if Bioware intends to drag this out.

You seem to be identifying the OMG ENDING SUX BIOWARE EVULLLLL crowd as us. We are not. We approach them with civility and reasonable intentions. We do NOT endorse that ridiculous FTC complaint. We welcome all REASONABLE discussions on why the ending isn't good.

You underestimate us.

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

We are listening to your feedback!

[ArmyKnifeX]

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

I don't think you guys have ever actually been to PAX or PAX East. The atmosphere itself is completely different from most other major events, and it's overwhelmingly positive. It's incredibly difficult to be negative at PAX East. I'm certain we'll bring this positive attitude to our group of disenfranchised consumers as well. I doubt our "numbers" will be too large, either.

[Syrellaris]

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

You underestimate us. We will act civilly, and do not endorse ANYONE who is not civil in their argument.s

No am I am just handing out a normal warning, it is as that one poster says. You just need 1 bad apple in the bunch to rile everyone up and that would result in plenty of people being removed if not the entire group.

I am not saying people wont act civilly, I am just giving a heads up, that security simply does not play around at any major events. So no need to be defensive, just a friendly warning here for good will

Thanks. Once again, if possible we will make sure any unruly fans are not associated with us. We don't want a fight.

The best thing to do if something like that happens is to remove yourself from the group. Go walk around, enjoy some other stuff at the event. come back an hour later to check if it quieted down.

[c3pu2]

Carnage752 wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Thing is what if somebody goes claiming to be with us?

BTW when is PAX?

if we publicly anounce before pax that we are not going then does that do go are not commissioned by us nor or responsabillity

[magikbbg]

Is there a way to make quote Collapseable? the main front page is becoming really big! 

[Optimus J]

Why the hell it's a bad idea to go to Pax wearing RGB and Marauder Shields t-shirts?
Do you think there will be NO "supporters" around to show THEY EXIST? Do you think is impossible that some douchebags go there, make a fuzz and are thrown out just for display, trying to defame us?

The whole think here is to be be civil and persistent. What's the problem of being such in there, just to show we exist? If you want to go, then GO. Better have some REAL people there, than leave the place to the jackals.

Modifié par Optimus J, 19 mars 2012 - 01:35 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Adugan]

If BW asks for questions in the audience and picks you, ask uncomfortable ones like why the endings had so many plot holes or why the choices didnt impact the endings almost at all. If they answer the questions, yay we have answers. If they dont, people will speculate and assume the worst. It will also spread the word of our movement by making people think about the endings if they just finished the game and were satisfied.

[Carnage752]

LinksOcarina wrote...

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

@LinksOcarina

Calm down and be civil. We don't have a formal leadership for this very reason: this is a community of people standing together to voice disappointment and request a change. Nothing more, nothing less. =3

You are joking, right?

You are telling me to be civil when i'm asking a simple question....

As to your answer, that is why this movement will fail. So when you actually have structure and leadership, come back to me, I will then set up an interview for you all. 

although...

Carnage752 wrote...

You assume we need all of this. We will appoint the people we need in time. So far if I was going to name a spokesperson it would be Buchak. We have messaged ATG, but he insists he is too busy to speak for us.

 

Trust me, when I say you do need all of this. Otherwise all the efforts will be for naught. As for your spokesperson, tell them to contact me at their earliest convienence, IF what you say is true.

Also whoever is in charge of the facebook page is starting to issue goals. He may come forth to lead and organize us, and I will ask him to do so.

And I will send Bachuk a message AND atg if atg wants to change his mind.

[Syrellaris]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

I don't think you guys have ever actually been to PAX or PAX East. The atmosphere itself is completely different from most other major events, and it's overwhelmingly positive. It's incredibly difficult to be negative at PAX East. I'm certain we'll bring this positive attitude to our group of disenfranchised consumers as well. I doubt our "numbers" will be too large, either.

True I have never been to pax, its not even in my country. But as a security Agent, I do know what plays around in the back. Again I am not saying it will happen, i am just warning you all to take it easy there. Don't do stupid things . Stay civil like you say and it will be fine

other then that, go have at it with your questions haha

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Optimus J wrote...

Why the hell it's a bad idea to go to Pax wearing RGB and Marauder Shields a bad idea?
Do you think there will be NO "supporters" around to show THEY EXIST? Do you think is impossible that some douchebags go there, make a fuzz and are thrown out just for display, trying to defame us?

The whole think here is to be be civil and persistent. What's the problem of being such in there, just to show we exist? If you want to go, then GO. Better have some REAL people there, then leave the place to the jackals.

Yeah as long as people are polite I don't see what the problem is.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[vigna]

Carnage752 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

We have a good structure, and I think you underestimate us. We have always urged our movement to remain civil and polite, we have organized letter campaigns and called attention from the media. We have over 60K donated to Child's Play and counting. I think we have done a great job so far.

We stay focused on the ending, and we all share similar mission goals for changes. We are also prepared for the worst if Bioware intends to drag this out.

You seem to be identifying the OMG ENDING SUX BIOWARE EVULLLLL crowd as us. We are not. We approach them with civility and reasonable intentions. We do NOT endorse that ridiculous FTC complaint. We welcome all REASONABLE discussions on why the ending isn't good.

You underestimate us.

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

You assume we need all of this. We will appoint the people we need in time. So far if I was going to name a spokesperson it would be Buchak. We have messaged ATG, but he insists he is too busy to speak for us.

i won't.........................i don't know any of these people why would i want them speaking for me.  ?   Why are you guys feeding into this guy's tactics you are doing it again. Whenever a respected voice disappears for 30 minutes you guys are always off topic and off point. Hold the line means hold the line....

[Militarized]

Sarah Aran wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

I'm not an expert at any of this, but here are my two cents. If atghunter or others see things differently, then just ignore this.

The Hold the Line movement has only made it this far through peace and civility. There's no need to ruin the hard work of many by trying to escalate things too far. Right now the movment needs to get its message out, to as many people as possible, so when the dev sit down at PAX, it won't be the movement asking the questions of the developers, but rather the very reporters they're trying to court.

A big convention like PAX is a great place for Bioware/EA to stand up and put forward their agenda, promote their products, etc. A bunch of fans in T-shirts in the crowd won't change that much. However, if the media all assemled there would rather spend their time asking Bioware about RetakeME3, rather than their next nebulous plans for games, well then you're hurting EA's PR machine.

Pretty much this. I really don't see people getting crazy/violent over the game, I would simply LOVE to be there and ask Walters/Hudon question about their philosophy and how they saw a singularity being the end of Mass Effect when it didn't seem to fit into any of the narrative. 

I really just want to sit down with some coffee/hot chocolate with the guy and talk to him about it. 

I'd love to be the guy that does it... but, I don't see it happening.  

[ArmyKnifeX]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

I think you're mistaking us for a traditional movement in so very many ways. We have leaders or organizers who have emerged from these boards, but these were people who rose to fill the holes that were needed.

This is not a traditional movement by any stretch of the imagination.

[Jamie9]

PAX is April 6-8 Carnage.

[LinksOcarina]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

I think you're mistaking us for a traditional movement in so very many ways. We have leaders or organizers who have emerged from these boards, but these were people who rose to fill the holes that were needed.

This is not a traditional movement by any stretch of the imagination.

I know, thats the problem.

No offense, but the real world won't take you seriously if you are not a traditional movement. And I know this from experience.

[Carnage752]

vigna wrote...

i won't.........................i don't know any of these people why would i want them speaking for me.  ?   Why are you guys feeding into this guy's tactics you are doing it again. Whenever a respected voice disappears for 30 minutes you guys are always off topic and off point. Hold the line means hold the line....

Vigina. ATGHunter is the one educating us on Bioware's possible PR tactics. Buchack is compiling them at the front of THIS THREAD. Come on man. I'm responding to this guy, he is asking genuine questions.

[c3pu2]

Syrellaris wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

c3pu2 wrote...

ONCE AGAIN GOING TO PAX IS A BAD IDEA
you need only one agitator to **** things up and wen **** it the fan and security trows you out we all look like idiots

Take my advice on this one people, as a Security agent myself this is exactly what will happen. In major events like pax, we don't **** around. If we have but one simple cause to remove you from the premices, we will.

Don't take your chances with pax, its not worth it.

I don't think you guys have ever actually been to PAX or PAX East. The atmosphere itself is completely different from most other major events, and it's overwhelmingly positive. It's incredibly difficult to be negative at PAX East. I'm certain we'll bring this positive attitude to our group of disenfranchised consumers as well. I doubt our "numbers" will be too large, either.

True I have never been to pax, its not even in my country. But as a security Agent, I do know what plays around in the back. Again I am not saying it will happen, i am just warning you all to take it easy there. Don't do stupid things . Stay civil like you say and it will be fine

other then that, go have at it with your questions haha

never been there but were i live in the past 2 week there been "civilised" a "polite" group of student protesting about the scolar right price going up
in every single peacfull manifestation agitator came in and **** it the fan now student are protrayed as crazy uncivilised agitator by the media

[ArmyKnifeX]

LinksOcarina wrote...
Trust me, when I say you do need all of this. Otherwise all the efforts will be for naught. As for your spokesperson, tell them to contact me at their earliest convienence, IF what you say is true.

Okay, I really appreciate your feedback. I'm the person who's created the PAX East group and am trying to organize it. However I do not appreciate the attitude and shouting at us you're doing. I understand skepticism, but it seems to me like you haven't read any of the other threads on these boards.

[mumwaldee369]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

should I be impressed by this?

That won't stop people if they get out of hand. Look, if you guys thank you can do it peacefully, and it actually happens, i'm all for it. But nine times out of ten, that never happens when the wound is so fresh.

I really don't like the way you're thinking of BioWare customers. You're assuming we're a bunch of rowdy teenagers.

And?

I used to try and organize protests when I was in college, and you guys are barely scratching the surface on what to do anyway. Ive seen protests live or die because of one or two minor instances that make the entire movement look bad. Its why OWS failed, they had no true leadership and no true direction, they just protested everyone and everything and allowed groups like the Green Party, IRA, Communist Party, Anonymous, Anarchy Groups and others involved in their movement.

Based on what ive seen so far, from the thousands of comments here to the venom being handed out to the developers, its not looking good.

If you want to succeed, then consider it a friendly warning, because the minute more crazy things happen, like the FTC complaint, the guys threatening a lawsuit over the games ending, the charity, the soapbox preachers on youtube, etc etc...well, you get the idea.

We have a good structure, and I think you underestimate us. We have always urged our movement to remain civil and polite, we have organized letter campaigns and called attention from the media. We have over 60K donated to Child's Play and counting. I think we have done a great job so far.

We stay focused on the ending, and we all share similar mission goals for changes. We are also prepared for the worst if Bioware intends to drag this out.

You seem to be identifying the OMG ENDING SUX BIOWARE EVULLLLL crowd as us. We are not. We approach them with civility and reasonable intentions. We do NOT endorse that ridiculous FTC complaint. We welcome all REASONABLE discussions on why the ending isn't good.

You underestimate us.

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

I don't think they're trying to set up a communist committee comrade.

[cyrrant]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Ok.

Who is your president, treasurer, spokesperson, PR person, and chief organizers?

I think you're mistaking us for a traditional movement in so very many ways. We have leaders or organizers who have emerged from these boards, but these were people who rose to fill the holes that were needed.

This is not a traditional movement by any stretch of the imagination.

Continuing with this line of debate is both unproductive, and potentially damaging.  Stay on point, don't argue.  We all want the same thing.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

[Carnage752]

Jamie9 wrote...

PAX is April 6-8 Carnage.

A couple of weeks? Good.

[InsaneNarwhal]

Keep it simple. Keep it civil. If you're getting frustrated, grab some food or go have some fun. We'll be here when you get back.

[LinksOcarina]

[quote]vigna wrote...

[/quote]

i won't.........................i don't know any of these people why would i want them speaking for me.  ?   Why are you guys feeding into this guy's tactics you are doing it again. Whenever a respected voice disappears for 30 minutes you guys are always off topic and off point. Hold the line means hold the line....

[/quote]

Like I said, friendly warning if you want this to succeed.  

Organize yourselves, pick leaders, make sure they can lead, and don't cause issues. 

Otherwise, the entire movement will fail pending a mass protests against DLC or something else. I have to stay neutral because I am technically press. I will also admit I am against this movement, but it doesn't mean I won't report on it fairly. 

[Syrellaris]

Anyway Have a healthy debate everyone time for bed for me.