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[Carnage752]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Mr Link, perhaps we can carry this discussion elsewhere? Some people seem to misinterpreting your questions.

Oh it's fine. Ive been called worse.


That was really the only question I had, along with the warning. As I said, if you want to set up an interview, have your PR/spokesperson contact me, and well set something up.

just be warned, I will be asking tough questions. 

If you happen to attend PAX East I'll be more than happy to speak to you in real life and answer your questions.

Knife you don't have the authority to do that yet.

[VerdantSF]

Boceephus wrote...

I love, love, LOVE the tshirts for PAX you guys created! Not only do they look awesome, it'll really give the cause a boost to have everyone in matching shirts. I know you guys'll do us proud!

Heck, I'm not going to PAX, but if I didn't give all my disposable income to Child's Play this month, I'd totally grab one of those sweet shirts!

Hold the Line PAX platoon!

I missed a lot of this thread.  Can you link those shirts?

[mumwaldee369]

Carnage752 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Mr Link, perhaps we can carry this discussion elsewhere? Some people seem to misinterpreting your questions.

It's just odd that someone who isn't interested in what you're trying to do sticks around for 160 pages.  Call me paranoid.

Walde. Calm down. He is asking questions.

No, he's spreading FUD.  Fear, uncertainty and doubt.  Another PR tool.

[ArmyKnifeX]

royceclemens wrote...
If I may ask... How?

I have a suggestion, if I may...

THE RETAKE ME3 WALKOUT

Sit tight until whomever is the emcee announces the Mass Effect 3 team.  And as soon as they hit the stage, everyone affiliated with the movement gets up and walks out.

It achieves the goal of peaceful protest, and if anyone does stay behind and makes a complete tool of themselves, we can distance ourselves from them by saying they weren't part of the movement because they didn't walk out with you.

If it's done quietly and peacefully, the security guys won't stop you.  In fact, the only way I can see this blowing up in the movement's face is if they pick that time to unveil The Truth, and if THAT'S the worst case scenario...

Forgive me if it seem presumptuous of me to suggest this, but I only wish to help.

That might make us look like a bunch of spoiled people who don't want to hear what the BW people have to say. Furthermore doing such will also disappoint a LOT of people who waited patiently at the door but were told the theater is full. Trust me, that's not a good idea with the mechanics of this convention.

What is better is to have two to four people with pre-determined questions get up to the microphone during the Q&A portion who can kindly, and civilly, ask their questions, listen to the response, thank the panelists, and sit bak down. Nothing else. No further demonstrating or moving. If people are curious to talk to us afterwards, that's wonderful, but we won't go out of our way to make a scene.

We're not here to ruin PAX East for anyone.

[vigna]

Led Guardian wrote...

The original post in this thread contained some absolutely fascinating insight into the PR world, and this entire process. I am partially posting in this particular thread just to keep it featured prominently, because it contains a lot of info that people should read.

I have to hand a lot of credit to this movement. I'm a cynical person who expects the worst out of people protesting on the internet based on things I've seen in the past, but I'm happy to say that this movement has surprised me. Most everything I read involves some form of constructive criticism. After the Hepler fiasco showed the worst that the fans had to offer, this discussion on the endings is showing the best. Finding out that people are bringing attention to this by donating to charity in addition to voicing constructive grievances is particularly heart-warming.

I know that I am one of these people who was severely disappointed with the ending. It just made me feel bad, and not because it was sad. I love tragic, cathartic ending done well, but I did not like the execution of this one for reasons of inconcistency and uncompromising bleakness in every way. I for one will not be playing this game until this is resolved satisfactorily. I just can't do it.

But Bioware has shown me since their Baldur's Gate days that they have brilliant writers who tell some of the best stories I have ever consumed. Period. This is something they continued to show through the entirety of the Mass Effect games, including all but the last few minutes of ME3. That's a good record. And I have every confidence that they can continue to show us their skill with alternate endings.

I will conclude this perhaps somewhat unfocused post by saying that I have loved Bioware for over a decade now. I have defended things they've done even when they were unpopular, because I have always seen their passion and care in their products. But I am speaking against them now, with the greatest love. And I say: Give your fans this ultimate gesture of caring for their opinions, and when this is through, I will defend you more passionately than ever.

Well said.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

royceclemens wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Concerning PAX:

Well, considering that yes, one guy can completely screw the whole thing for everyone, handing EA a PR victory they didn't earn, my question is...

Would EA plant someone in the crowd to make a complete tool of themselves to give us bad press?

Because what's more feasible? Making a multimillion dollar DLC, or paying one guy sixty bucks to scream really loud in a public place?

We can deal with the situation if that happens.

If I may ask... How?

I have a suggestion, if I may...

THE RETAKE ME3 WALKOUT

Sit tight until whomever is the emcee announces the Mass Effect 3 team.  And as soon as they hit the stage, everyone affiliated with the movement gets up and walks out.

It achieves the goal of peaceful protest, and if anyone does stay behind and makes a complete tool of themselves, we can distance ourselves from them by saying they weren't part of the movement because they didn't walk out with you.

If it's done quietly and peacefully, the security guys won't stop you.  In fact, the only way I can see this blowing up in the movement's face is if they pick that time to unveil The Truth, and if THAT'S the worst case scenario...

Forgive me if it seem presumptuous of me to suggest this, but I only wish to help.

That is a briiliant idea!
Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Neuthung]

Hmm... My threads are getting sunk pretty quick. How would you guys feel about a video campaign? I posted a response to BioWare's thread asking for criticism, and I was thinking of making a page to collect a lot of other videos that cover similar things. It would humanize our movement, really show them who is affected.

[Carnage752]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Mr Link, perhaps we can carry this discussion elsewhere? Some people seem to misinterpreting your questions.

It's just odd that someone who isn't interested in what you're trying to do sticks around for 160 pages.  Call me paranoid.

Walde. Calm down. He is asking questions.

No, he's spreading FUD.  Fear, uncertainty and doubt.  Another PR tool.

I will handle this. Don't be rude. That undermines all that we are doing.

[mumwaldee369]

royceclemens wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Concerning PAX:

Well, considering that yes, one guy can completely screw the whole thing for everyone, handing EA a PR victory they didn't earn, my question is...

Would EA plant someone in the crowd to make a complete tool of themselves to give us bad press?

Because what's more feasible? Making a multimillion dollar DLC, or paying one guy sixty bucks to scream really loud in a public place?

We can deal with the situation if that happens.

If I may ask... How?

I have a suggestion, if I may...

THE RETAKE ME3 WALKOUT

Sit tight until whomever is the emcee announces the Mass Effect 3 team.  And as soon as they hit the stage, everyone affiliated with the movement gets up and walks out.

It achieves the goal of peaceful protest, and if anyone does stay behind and makes a complete tool of themselves, we can distance ourselves from them by saying they weren't part of the movement because they didn't walk out with you.

If it's done quietly and peacefully, the security guys won't stop you.  In fact, the only way I can see this blowing up in the movement's face is if they pick that time to unveil The Truth, and if THAT'S the worst case scenario...

Forgive me if it seem presumptuous of me to suggest this, but I only wish to help.

This is constructive.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Carnage752 wrote...
Knife you don't have the authority to do that yet.

Ehm, excuse me? I've been an active participant in these boards since nearly day one after the release of the game. I wrote what seems to be the most popular mission statement thus far.

I also have been working hard to organize a PAX East Group and did so very early on.

I'd also like to point out how so much of this movement has been from self-appointed authority that has later been proven through demonstrating capacity.

Modifié par ArmyKnifeX, 19 mars 2012 - 01:53 .

[Star]

royceclemens wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Concerning PAX:

Well, considering that yes, one guy can completely screw the whole thing for everyone, handing EA a PR victory they didn't earn, my question is...

Would EA plant someone in the crowd to make a complete tool of themselves to give us bad press?

Because what's more feasible? Making a multimillion dollar DLC, or paying one guy sixty bucks to scream really loud in a public place?

We can deal with the situation if that happens.

If I may ask... How?

I have a suggestion, if I may...

THE RETAKE ME3 WALKOUT

Sit tight until whomever is the emcee announces the Mass Effect 3 team.  And as soon as they hit the stage, everyone affiliated with the movement gets up and walks out.

It achieves the goal of peaceful protest, and if anyone does stay behind and makes a complete tool of themselves, we can distance ourselves from them by saying they weren't part of the movement because they didn't walk out with you.

If it's done quietly and peacefully, the security guys won't stop you.  In fact, the only way I can see this blowing up in the movement's face is if they pick that time to unveil The Truth, and if THAT'S the worst case scenario...

Forgive me if it seem presumptuous of me to suggest this, but I only wish to help.

While walkign out does make a statement it's also a way to give up your power in this instance.  This is an opportunity to ask questions.   I imagine that the BW staff are fairly uncomfortable at what they might be facing.  But it IS an opportunity to talk with a company representative face to face.   Now if all you get are empty words and deflection,  it would be appropriate to show your civil distain by getting up and walking out.  

[LinksOcarina]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Concerning PAX:

Well, considering that yes, one guy can completely screw the whole thing for everyone, handing EA a PR victory they didn't earn, my question is...

Would EA plant someone in the crowd to make a complete tool of themselves to give us bad press?

Because what's more feasible? Making a multimillion dollar DLC, or paying one guy sixty bucks to scream really loud in a public place?

We can deal with the situation if that happens.

If I may ask... How?

I have a suggestion, if I may...

THE RETAKE ME3 WALKOUT

Sit tight until whomever is the emcee announces the Mass Effect 3 team.  And as soon as they hit the stage, everyone affiliated with the movement gets up and walks out.

It achieves the goal of peaceful protest, and if anyone does stay behind and makes a complete tool of themselves, we can distance ourselves from them by saying they weren't part of the movement because they didn't walk out with you.

If it's done quietly and peacefully, the security guys won't stop you.  In fact, the only way I can see this blowing up in the movement's face is if they pick that time to unveil The Truth, and if THAT'S the worst case scenario...

Forgive me if it seem presumptuous of me to suggest this, but I only wish to help.

This is constructive.

It is indeed. 

[c3pu2]

Carnage752 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Mr Link, perhaps we can carry this discussion elsewhere? Some people seem to misinterpreting your questions.

It's just odd that someone who isn't interested in what you're trying to do sticks around for 160 pages.  Call me paranoid.

Walde. Calm down. He is asking questions.

No, he's spreading FUD.  Fear, uncertainty and doubt.  Another PR tool.

I will handle this. Don't be rude. That undermines all that we are doing.

dont take this the wrong way but may i ask who you are to decide who can or cant andle this

[MatronAdena]

took me a long while but I finally got around to it:

http://social.biowar...13/126#10216870

[Carnage752]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...
Knife you don't have the authority to do that yet.

Ehm, excuse me? I've been an active participant in these boards since nearly day one after the release of the game. I wrote what seems to be the most popular mission statement thus far.

I also have been working hard to organize a PAX East Group and did so very early on.

I'd also like to point out how so much of this movement has been from self-appointed authority that has later been proven through demonstrating capacity.

Sorry. But I don't want this to go the way of OCW wwith a bunch of wannabe leaders and spokesmen coming out of the woodwork. I'll let Buchaka talk to mr link.

[c3pu2]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...
Knife you don't have the authority to do that yet.

Ehm, excuse me? I've been an active participant in these boards since nearly day one after the release of the game. I wrote what seems to be the most popular mission statement thus far.

I also have been working hard to organize a PAX East Group and did so very early on.

I'd also like to point out how so much of this movement has been from self-appointed authority that has later been proven through demonstrating capacity.

well said

[Carnage752]

c3pu2 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Mr Link, perhaps we can carry this discussion elsewhere? Some people seem to misinterpreting your questions.

It's just odd that someone who isn't interested in what you're trying to do sticks around for 160 pages.  Call me paranoid.

Walde. Calm down. He is asking questions.

No, he's spreading FUD.  Fear, uncertainty and doubt.  Another PR tool.

I will handle this. Don't be rude. That undermines all that we are doing.

dont take this the wrong way but may i ask who you are to decide who can or cant andle this

Seeing the reactions from all other members I'm trying to keep it civil.

[ArmyKnifeX]

LinksOcarina wrote...
It is indeed. 

Again, as someone who's actually attened a PAX East event before I can tell you this is actually not very constructive to the nature of the event and will leave a LOT of people miffed. It's better to simply ask predetermined questions politely, wait for the reply, thank the speaker, and calmly retake your seat. Sitting in the theater as a group, listening, appluading, and generally being polite, maybe even enthusiastic about the ME universe, is going to get us much farther than a walk-out that will take seats away from convention attendees who may have waited for 2+ hours in a line.

We're not protesting the entirety of Mass Effect, remember. We're just protesting this ending and the treatment BioWare/EA have been giving us.

[mumwaldee369]

Star58 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

royceclemens wrote...

Concerning PAX:

Well, considering that yes, one guy can completely screw the whole thing for everyone, handing EA a PR victory they didn't earn, my question is...

Would EA plant someone in the crowd to make a complete tool of themselves to give us bad press?

Because what's more feasible? Making a multimillion dollar DLC, or paying one guy sixty bucks to scream really loud in a public place?

We can deal with the situation if that happens.

If I may ask... How?

I have a suggestion, if I may...

THE RETAKE ME3 WALKOUT

Sit tight until whomever is the emcee announces the Mass Effect 3 team.  And as soon as they hit the stage, everyone affiliated with the movement gets up and walks out.

It achieves the goal of peaceful protest, and if anyone does stay behind and makes a complete tool of themselves, we can distance ourselves from them by saying they weren't part of the movement because they didn't walk out with you.

If it's done quietly and peacefully, the security guys won't stop you.  In fact, the only way I can see this blowing up in the movement's face is if they pick that time to unveil The Truth, and if THAT'S the worst case scenario...

Forgive me if it seem presumptuous of me to suggest this, but I only wish to help.

While walkign out does make a statement it's also a way to give up your power in this instance.  This is an opportunity to ask questions.   I imagine that the BW staff are fairly uncomfortable at what they might be facing.  But it IS an opportunity to talk with a company representative face to face.   Now if all you get are empty words and deflection,  it would be appropriate to show your civil distain by getting up and walking out.  

The studios have the main media outlets in their pocket so you're not going to get a sympathetic story anyhow. 

[c3pu2]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
It is indeed. 

Again, as someone who's actually attened a PAX East event before I can tell you this is actually not very constructive to the nature of the event and will leave a LOT of people miffed. It's better to simply ask predetermined questions politely, wait for the reply, thank the speaker, and calmly retake your seat. Sitting in the theater as a group, listening, appluading, and generally being polite, maybe even enthusiastic about the ME universe, is going to get us much farther than a walk-out that will take seats away from convention attendees who may have waited for 2+ hours in a line.

We're not protesting the entirety of Mass Effect, remember. We're just protesting this ending and the treatment BioWare/EA have been giving us.

you got it

[Carnage752]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
It is indeed. 

Again, as someone who's actually attened a PAX East event before I can tell you this is actually not very constructive to the nature of the event and will leave a LOT of people miffed. It's better to simply ask predetermined questions politely, wait for the reply, thank the speaker, and calmly retake your seat. Sitting in the theater as a group, listening, appluading, and generally being polite, maybe even enthusiastic about the ME universe, is going to get us much farther than a walk-out that will take seats away from convention attendees who may have waited for 2+ hours in a line.

We're not protesting the entirety of Mass Effect, remember. We're just protesting this ending and the treatment BioWare/EA have been giving us.

Well said.

[InsaneNarwhal]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...
It is indeed. 

Again, as someone who's actually attened a PAX East event before I can tell you this is actually not very constructive to the nature of the event and will leave a LOT of people miffed. It's better to simply ask predetermined questions politely, wait for the reply, thank the speaker, and calmly retake your seat. Sitting in the theater as a group, listening, appluading, and generally being polite, maybe even enthusiastic about the ME universe, is going to get us much farther than a walk-out that will take seats away from convention attendees who may have waited for 2+ hours in a line.

We're not protesting the entirety of Mass Effect, remember. We're just protesting this ending and the treatment BioWare/EA have been giving us.

I agree. We aren't protesting the entire game after all. Just the last 5 minutes.

[vigna]

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

mumwaldee369 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Mr Link, perhaps we can carry this discussion elsewhere? Some people seem to misinterpreting your questions.

It's just odd that someone who isn't interested in what you're trying to do sticks around for 160 pages.  Call me paranoid.

Walde. Calm down. He is asking questions.

No, he's spreading FUD.  Fear, uncertainty and doubt.  Another PR tool.

thank you..no one listens to me.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Carnage752 wrote...
Sorry. But I don't want this to go the way of OCW wwith a bunch of wannabe leaders and spokesmen coming out of the woodwork. I'll let Buchaka talk to mr link.

I don't want this to go the way of OWS either, but I highly doubt it will. We have a clear goal in mind. People who are capable of taking responsibility have been assuming it. The leadership and organizational structure is distributed, yes, but this allows us to hit multiple fronts at once.

If you doubt my capacity please send me a PM and we can discuss it.

[Boceephus]

About the walkout.

That might be nice if you have at least a quarter of the people in the hall on your side, but if we only manage to get a dozen or so people they'll look kinda ridiculous and paint us as kids not willing to hear the other side as someone mentioned.

It would squander the opportunity to hear what they have to say and then be able to ask questions in a very public forum which would be a win, even if they're brushed aside by PR doublespeak.