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shephard987

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Darkeus wrote...

Are we still arguing here. Guys, guys... You have to chill out. Somewhere, EA/Bioware is laughing at this dissension...


Exactly.
Stay strong people.
We are close, I'm sure of it. 
Just keep a level head on, no bickering or name calling.
No one is trying to assume leadership or anything of the sort.

Remember.

Civility. Respect. Honor.
Hold the Line

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Daverid wrote...

If they release Ending DLC ... I will happily fork out $10-15 .. AND I will buy ANY and ALL further DLC because what occurs in those DLC will actually have importance.

I'm sure a Massive Chunk of at least the 40k Likes on the RetakeMassEffect FB Group will be doing a very similar thing in that If there is no Ending DLC we will not buy ANY more DLC and probably barely or never play the game again. And keep our Faith in Bioware on a VERY SKEPTICAL level.

So Unless Creating Ending DLC is literally that Costly and Time Consuming then It's a WIN for Us. WIN for Bioware. WIN for EA.. I don't see what they have to lose Creating it. Anyone who enjoyed the Ending Can not buy the DLC and keep their Endings as is. So much Win for everyone.

I could not have said it better myself, bioware/ea would begin to slowly regain our trust and every one would be happy. A true win/win 

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Adugan wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Tyrannis Vos wrote...

I'm curious - who here is boycotting multiplayer altogether because of what is going on?

I don't think there is one right or wrong answer. Boycotting the multiplayer to make a statement is awesome. I also respect anyone who wants to play the game they paid for, regardless of how the single player has affected them.

I refuse to play it all...even before the ending. I shouldn't be forced to play multi-player--something i don't enjoy at all.

I enjoy it.

But I'm boycotting it.

No brutes for you XD


Yeah I am not playing either. Multiplayer is fine, but sometimes I want to just play SP and complete it without other people. What will happen in 1 year when nobody plays MP and there is no way to get readiness?

We will worry about that later. We have an ending to save B)

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Daverid wrote...

If they release Ending DLC ... I will happily fork out $10-15 .. AND I will buy ANY and ALL further DLC because what occurs in those DLC will actually have importance.

I'm sure a Massive Chunk of at least the 40k Likes on the RetakeMassEffect FB Group will be doing a very similar thing in that If there is no Ending DLC we will not buy ANY more DLC and probably barely or never play the game again. And keep our Faith in Bioware on a VERY SKEPTICAL level.

So Unless Creating Ending DLC is literally that Costly and Time Consuming then It's a WIN for Us. WIN for Bioware. WIN for EA.. I don't see what they have to lose Creating it. Anyone who enjoyed the Ending Can not buy the DLC and keep their Endings as is. So much Win for everyone.


Not sure what this is in reply to ... but as a stand alone statement I heartily agree.

Stay Strong Stay Civil, Stay on Message.

No closure
No sense
No relays
No choice

....

No Peace.

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Boceephus wrote...
My personal choice has been to abstain from MP as well as SP (not like I'm motivated to play SP anymore anyway) since finishing my first playthrough. That is how I feel I am holding the line.


Good on you!


vigna wrote...

I refuse to play it all...even before the ending. I shouldn't be forced to play multi-player--something i don't enjoy at all.


Now, this is one I haven't seen yet. I see most people at least finish the game (myself included). Were you just completely pushed away by the talk of the ending?

Personally, I stopped palying single player. I'm not very motivated to since I won't get a different ending. I can't even think about playing ME1 or 2 anymore.
I do, however, very much enjoy multiplayer. I've had far too many laughs with friends just screwing around with cluster grenades. I love multiplayer in games. I am refusing to import my characters though. I feel like that should not affect single player and I'm showing it by keeping my multiplayer characters in multiplayer.

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Ihatebadgames wrote...

vigna wrote...

Tyrannis Vos wrote...

I'm curious - who here is boycotting multiplayer altogether because of what is going on?

I don't think there is one right or wrong answer. Boycotting the multiplayer to make a statement is awesome. I also respect anyone who wants to play the game they paid for, regardless of how the single player has affected them.

I refuse to play it all...even before the ending. I shouldn't be forced to play multi-player--something i don't enjoy at all.

I dislike multiplayer,the only reason I pre-ordered the CE was the statement that MP would be optional and not necessary to get the best ending.Yeah,right,sure it's not.


Lol, I even had Stanely Woo send me a PM when the Multiplayer was announced saying I was spreading conspiracy theories that the SP would be linked directly to the MP and that you would have to play it to get the best ending.

Yeah, that was exactly what I was doing.  Lol....  I was right was the reality....

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wheelierdan wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Nightfire78 wrote...

The danger with trying to get a single leader is always faction building within the movement, attempts to define and organize things too strictly, disagreement with the way things are done despite agreement on the issue. Really I think it's good to have people with organizational skills setting stuff up like the donation drive, but trying to "pick" (an) official leader(s) has the potential to take focus away form what we're doing and create splinter groups, which is probably not helpful to the overall cause... but that's just my 2 cents worth.

Please take these discussions to the group or elsewhere. We don't want any more debates here please.


Carnage752, this is exactly what i mean, im not trying to be rude to you but you act like youre in charge here, and keep making statements that imply you have some authority.  Don't make "we" statements when in reality youre making "I" statements.  theres nothing wrong with talknig about things.  You get into trouble when you start deciding that youhave some sort of official opinion. You arent in charge.

Again, you cant force a loosely organised group to do things your way.  I'm sure youre just trying to help but i just want to let you know how youre coming acros to me.


In a lot of ways I see the major benefits that this movement has from its current state of a quasi- stand alone complex. Don't get me wrong though, I feel that thoughts and information should be funneled and directed better. But without anyone actually saying anything people have already started to do so. Once again, reinforcing that quasi- stand alone complex again. So I agree here, trying to force an issue like that isn't a good idea.

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BTW I'm glad I missed whatever bickering there was.

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You know what, Ive sat here reading and answering a few posts and reading more, and this one stopped me. I saw how its being treated like war, and how the non-bioware people warn you, not to take anything Bioware says unless its what you want, to try and get you to not roll over, and accept defeat.

i admire it, but they are doing the same thing, Im sitting here and now re thinking my thoughts on this whole thing, the page 1 post allowed me to see that, but its also influencing my thoughts.

its true if promises were made they should have been upheld, and i am sure most of you would not be here if they were upheld.

guess what im stuck thinking is the "movement" is justifiable, standing up and fighting for something you love? sure but using innocents(a children's charity) to get what you want is wrong. I wouldnt be suprised if most of you dont give to charity, because $2 a month or £5 a month is "too much", so your only doing it now to look like the good guys, when the old saying has always been "the customer is always right" you didnt have to proove anything.
With the war terms being thrown about then does that mean this could be classified as borderline terrorism?

Im not sure myself. just thinking allowed and wanted to share. I too am not happy, but at the same time, I dont think anyone has ever really held my opinions high, outside my social circle. so i dont think anything i say would change a damn thing.

and just to clarify, I liked the raising money part for the charity that was really nice, it just feels like its being used as a "catalyst" if you will, so you lot can get what you want. and no charity should be used that way.

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Anyway. back on track topic. I hope everyone gets refueled for the upcoming 5 days.

And I hope this will be a week to Hold the line.

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i have no problem with your opinion at all, i just have a problem with how you come across as bossy. I'm not angry and I hope I haven't made it seem that way. Some people want purity and that has advantages, namely a clear and concise message. The disadvantage to that is you start excluding voices because they aren't toeing the line.

the reality is there a re a lot of different opinions in this group.
some want free dlc some will be ok with paid dlc
some want something done, others just want to be heard
some want dlc that changes the ending, others just want the ending explained.

so even in this group theres plenty of room to start excluding people if you start deciding which opinions and issues matter and which don't. i think we should avoid that.

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Pandoravv3 wrote...

This is my first post on the forum, and I just want to say that you all are making at least a small difference. I already bought ME3, so I can't exactly boycott it now, but I am a compulsive DLC buyer. I was planning on finally getting a chance to play the game this week, but having had the ending mildly spoiled for me, I think I might wait until it is fixed. Since I am waiting I also won't be buying the from ashes DLC that I was planning on getting, and I will be one less number playing the game on origin. That's 10$ that bioware is not getting until the ending is fixed. So thank you all for this movement. Without it I would've have spent the 10$ only to have my soul crushed. So thanks for saving me, and god knows how many more from playing the game in it's current state, I feel like you all are my personal marauder shields!



Welcome to the BSN, hopefully you will find the solace you seek here among those who have also been hurt by the endings.  If you'd like to support the cause further I have a few suggestions:

Like the facebook group here: www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3
Donate to Child's Play in support of the cause: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/9845819/1

After you've done that, head out into the BSN and engage in discussion on all fronts.  Keep it civil as we have tried to do here, and we will win this thing.  We are Retake Mass Effect and we're not going anywhere.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

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Eleventhchild wrote...

You know what, Ive sat here reading and answering a few posts and reading more, and this one stopped me. I saw how its being treated like war, and how the non-bioware people warn you, not to take anything Bioware says unless its what you want, to try and get you to not roll over, and accept defeat.

i admire it, but they are doing the same thing, Im sitting here and now re thinking my thoughts on this whole thing, the page 1 post allowed me to see that, but its also influencing my thoughts.

its true if promises were made they should have been upheld, and i am sure most of you would not be here if they were upheld.

guess what im stuck thinking is the "movement" is justifiable, standing up and fighting for something you love? sure but using innocents(a children's charity) to get what you want is wrong. I wouldnt be suprised if most of you dont give to charity, because $2 a month or £5 a month is "too much", so your only doing it now to look like the good guys, when the old saying has always been "the customer is always right" you didnt have to proove anything.
With the war terms being thrown about then does that mean this could be classified as borderline terrorism?

Im not sure myself. just thinking allowed and wanted to share. I too am not happy, but at the same time, I dont think anyone has ever really held my opinions high, outside my social circle. so i dont think anything i say would change a damn thing.

and just to clarify, I liked the raising money part for the charity that was really nice, it just feels like its being used as a "catalyst" if you will, so you lot can get what you want. and no charity should be used that way.

We are making sure no matter what happens, good comes of this movement. Even if we fail, we can be happy knowing we added a little fun to a child's life.

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Adugan wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

vigna wrote...

Tyrannis Vos wrote...

I'm curious - who here is boycotting multiplayer altogether because of what is going on?

I don't think there is one right or wrong answer. Boycotting the multiplayer to make a statement is awesome. I also respect anyone who wants to play the game they paid for, regardless of how the single player has affected them.

I refuse to play it all...even before the ending. I shouldn't be forced to play multi-player--something i don't enjoy at all.

I enjoy it.

But I'm boycotting it.

No brutes for you XD


Yeah I am not playing either. Multiplayer is fine, but sometimes I want to just play SP and complete it without other people. What will happen in 1 year when nobody plays MP and there is no way to get readiness?

i wasn't even thinking about it from 1 year in teh future...good point.

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wheelierdan wrote...

i have no problem with your opinion at all, i just have a problem with how you come across as bossy. I'm not angry and I hope I haven't made it seem that way. Some people want purity and that has advantages, namely a clear and concise message. The disadvantage to that is you start excluding voices because they aren't toeing the line.

the reality is there a re a lot of different opinions in this group.
some want free dlc some will be ok with paid dlc
some want something done, others just want to be heard
some want dlc that changes the ending, others just want the ending explained.

so even in this group theres plenty of room to start excluding people if you start deciding which opinions and issues matter and which don't. i think we should avoid that.

I understand. But this is still not the time nor place for these arguments. Alot of people are tired of them actually.

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garf wrote...

Daverid wrote...

If they release Ending DLC ... I will happily fork out $10-15 .. AND I will buy ANY and ALL further DLC because what occurs in those DLC will actually have importance.

I'm sure a Massive Chunk of at least the 40k Likes on the RetakeMassEffect FB Group will be doing a very similar thing in that If there is no Ending DLC we will not buy ANY more DLC and probably barely or never play the game again. And keep our Faith in Bioware on a VERY SKEPTICAL level.

So Unless Creating Ending DLC is literally that Costly and Time Consuming then It's a WIN for Us. WIN for Bioware. WIN for EA.. I don't see what they have to lose Creating it. Anyone who enjoyed the Ending Can not buy the DLC and keep their Endings as is. So much Win for everyone.


Not sure what this is in reply to ... but as a stand alone statement I heartily agree.

Stay Strong Stay Civil, Stay on Message.

No closure
No sense
No relays
No choice

....

No Peace.


Yea wasn't replying ... Just making a General Statement of how this situation could turn from Bad into Win Win Win for everyone. I guess they've just had a Hard week of trying to not go all out and promise anything further and HOPEFULLY we'll receive some Concrete news Soon.

If Not. Continue to Hold The Line!

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Don't chase ice cream trucks, stay on target.

Modifié par Volion, 19 mars 2012 - 04:02 .


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vigna wrote...

Anyway. back on track topic. I hope everyone gets refueled for the upcoming 5 days.

And I hope this will be a week to Hold the line.

Damn well we will!

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Volion wrote...

Don't chase Ice cream trucks, stay on target.

But, but, ice cream... I want to get my favorite 3 colors, red, blue, and green...

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And, now they've moved to the outright denial step. They aren't doing anything.

Congratulations, any progress we had made is now completely undone.

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Tyrannis Vos wrote...

Boceephus wrote...
My personal choice has been to abstain from MP as well as SP (not like I'm motivated to play SP anymore anyway) since finishing my first playthrough. That is how I feel I am holding the line.


Good on you!


vigna wrote...

I refuse to play it all...even before the ending. I shouldn't be forced to play multi-player--something i don't enjoy at all.


Now, this is one I haven't seen yet. I see most people at least finish the game (myself included). Were you just completely pushed away by the talk of the ending?

Personally, I stopped palying single player. I'm not very motivated to since I won't get a different ending. I can't even think about playing ME1 or 2 anymore.
I do, however, very much enjoy multiplayer. I've had far too many laughs with friends just screwing around with cluster grenades. I love multiplayer in games. I am refusing to import my characters though. I feel like that should not affect single player and I'm showing it by keeping my multiplayer characters in multiplayer.

I played the game--just never stepped into a MP arena or wherever it is played. I maxed readiness at close to 3,500...I couldn't get the good ending (if there was one) if I wanted to.

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Skyblade012 wrote...

And, now they've moved to the outright denial step. They aren't doing anything.

Congratulations, any progress we had made is now completely undone.

Umm... What?

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Alright guys, I'm very happy to see that this ship has righted itself. I am going to go dark for a while here, going to work on a post for tomorrow morning, hopefully some of you will see it and reply to it before you head to work.

Tomorrow will be an important test for the Retake Mass Effect movement. It is the beginning of the work week, when there is a possibility that Bioware will wake up and find that nothing has changed and that their PR tactics have failed. It is then that we should hit them with all the concerted effort we can muster, civilly show our displeasure at the ending, and hopefully get this thing fixed. We are Retake Mass Effect and we will hold the line until this is set right.

Our Choices Should Matter - Hold the Line

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vigna wrote...

Tyrannis Vos wrote...

Boceephus wrote...
My personal choice has been to abstain from MP as well as SP (not like I'm motivated to play SP anymore anyway) since finishing my first playthrough. That is how I feel I am holding the line.


Good on you!


vigna wrote...

I refuse to play it all...even before the ending. I shouldn't be forced to play multi-player--something i don't enjoy at all.


Now, this is one I haven't seen yet. I see most people at least finish the game (myself included). Were you just completely pushed away by the talk of the ending?

Personally, I stopped palying single player. I'm not very motivated to since I won't get a different ending. I can't even think about playing ME1 or 2 anymore.
I do, however, very much enjoy multiplayer. I've had far too many laughs with friends just screwing around with cluster grenades. I love multiplayer in games. I am refusing to import my characters though. I feel like that should not affect single player and I'm showing it by keeping my multiplayer characters in multiplayer.

I played the game--just never stepped into a MP arena or wherever it is played. I maxed readiness at close to 3,500...I couldn't get the good ending (if there was one) if I wanted to.


Ah, I misunderstood. I think the whole MP affecting SP is ridiculous. I got to about 6k EMS by the end. I stayed at 50% readiness. I don't remember my TMS. I was just lucky that I could get that much.