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[Aarick13]

Hey guys. Been checking this thread every day to see about new updates. I have read all of the OP and some pages here and there. Don't have the time to go through everything. I felt like adding my 2c worth. I like 5 friends all bought it first day and have finished it but i also have multiple friends that haven't finished. We are holding the line. We are all disgruntled about the laziness of the endings.

The one thing we want above all else right now is answers. I have accepted that this is Biowares game and they took the story in a direction they thought was interesting and it is their prerogative to do so. I don't think they should have and personally they have ruined any repeatability in any of the games. I had grand plans to finish 3 then replay all the games with all new decisions and going in new directions. But alas that is gone since my choices don't matter in the end. That being said I wish they would just come out and say if this is what they had planned and to address the major plot holes. How did Joker get my team off Earth whilst being guarded by 3 Reapers but couldn't drop me down there when it was only 1, why did he decide to go on an intergalactic maccas run when the rest of the universes fleets are fighting and dieing and so many more.

We aren't going to buy any DLC. Heck me and a couple of my friends cancelled our Star Wars:The Old Republic subscriptions and directly blamed the poor endings of ME3 as reasons why we stopped playing. (In truth we were bored, but i figure they will listen if they think it affects all their games not just ME3).

Ok im glad i got that rant out of the way.

Hold the line.

[Janus382]

maki0129 wrote...

So, I say this to you people.

Hold the line!

(BTW, I'm an 80's dork)

Yes!  Yesyesyesyesyes!  This brought a huge smile to my face.  Thank you! 

[Xivai]

That mix up can only bring us more members to our cause. We are very slowly like snails eroding their defenses. No I have no idea how that analogy works. I'm tired and off to bed. Expect some more minor news tomorrow.

[musicaleCA]

Speaking of damage control, I think some of our own might be needed here.

http://www.gameinfor...to-the-ftc.aspx

Whether or not you agree with the subject of the article's move to go to the FTC, the comments there have been filled with "get a life", "this is stupid it's just a game" lines, and...more colourful language.

[atghunter]

VigilancePress wrote...

Greetings, folks! I have been a silent partner in the crusade to Take Back Mass Effect since I first heard of the furor about the endings. I joined the DemandABetterEnding facebook group almost immediately, and I have donated to the Child's Play charity. I plan to donate again soon, this time a more substantial amount (I have decided it shall be my official charity of the month).

I have not posted here before because I had some issues trying to access an account here that was linked to my PS3 ID. Now that has been straightened out, and I shan't remain silent.

ATGHunter, thank you for your words of clarity, and for your encouragement for all sides of this issue to speak their minds with passion and civility. You have acted as a navigator in these stormy waters, helping to guide us away from the shoals so we did not run aground. I constantly tune in to this thread to see your advice and your perspective, so I hope you will not stop offering them.

To everyone else, thank you for your words of encouragement, your amusing anecdotes, your links to news stories, and everything else that *should* have been coming from the major gaming news sites... but was completely absent. It's wonderful how you as a community have been able to step in and supplement, or even supplant, the broken system of information distribution that I had relied on for years.

Thank you most of all for making me realize I was not alone, not a sole, pouting man-child with no hope that the dreams Mass Effect 1 ignited would ever come to fruition.

I will Hold the Line.

You are very kind Sir.  My thanks.  I'm happy to give a bit of old gamer's guidance, but the true marvel here are the mass of men and women who come from so many places, with so many strong voices who simply steady on.

You are not alone and your thoughts are welcome.  Pull up a chair, figure out the best way to express your voice to communicate your position by sharing with others, then be heard!

Hold the Line  

[xsdob]

Narsilsword wrote...

The closing of threads is getting ridiculous. It's not about a violation of the rules. The rules are just an excuse to shut down discussion about some real issues. It's all PR BS

And laws are just ways the goverment can control what you do, so what?

[Deteramot]

Turkeysock wrote...

Well, I've donated a dollar (I'm a poor college grad with no job atm), I've read the last few pages, and I'll put my two cents in. Don't know if this has been put forward as an idea earlier, but here it goes:

If you really want this movement to succeed (I use this term loosely as we all have a different idea of what would be successful and what is not), it would be best to basically appoint a group of people to speak out for the whole movement. I'm aware that there are currently several different "Hold the line" groups, one here, facebook, and across other gaming sites. If we can get solid leadership from all these groups who can cooperate with each other, we can be much more effective as a whole.

A smaller group who speaks for us as, in clear concise civil responses, would be much better then what's going on. I'm not going to say that they might actually be able to chat with the good folks at Bioware/EA, but if we gain real leadership, it would simply make us something that cannot be ignored.

In my opinion, I'd say we should get a group of 7-10 people (or we could go with 4:P ) elected from people on here to form a "council" and then they vote for a person among themselves (or from outside if they feel that person is a better choice) to lead the council.

IIRC, this idea was floated earlier. It has merit, simply to allow us some cohesion, but it also has one big drawback, that being that giving the movement a face gives Bioware/EA someone to aim at. If we act as a nebulous group, they can't target us very specifically, only in general terms.

Granted, having more cohesion isn't a bad idea. Perhaps we could get webhosting and get our own separate forum going, to bring the group together. Still put pressure here, but have our own little area to discuss strategies and figure out responses to the press releases and scant news Bioware/EA put out.

[Sentr0]

look at this thread, what do you think?

http://social.biowar...ndex/10228206/1

[allyon]

This has been some what shocking to watch. I mean what a quick response time line wise. Since by my account it was made around 1A.M. EST. I have been watching and reading the whole thing. Ty atghunter for you words of wisdom.

SSV Lexington off to get some sleep

[maki0129]

Turkeysock wrote...

Well, I've donated a dollar (I'm a poor college grad with no job atm), I've read the last few pages, and I'll put my two cents in. Don't know if this has been put forward as an idea earlier, but here it goes:

If you really want this movement to succeed (I use this term loosely as we all have a different idea of what would be successful and what is not), it would be best to basically appoint a group of people to speak out for the whole movement. I'm aware that there are currently several different "Hold the line" groups, one here, facebook, and across other gaming sites. If we can get solid leadership from all these groups who can cooperate with each other, we can be much more effective as a whole.

A smaller group who speaks for us as, in clear concise civil responses, would be much better then what's going on. I'm not going to say that they might actually be able to chat with the good folks at Bioware/EA, but if we gain real leadership, it would simply make us something that cannot be ignored.

In my opinion, I'd say we should get a group of 7-10 people (or we could go with 4:P ) elected from people on here to form a "council" and then they vote for a person among themselves (or from outside if they feel that person is a better choice) to lead the council.

I respectfully disagree.

First off, because those people would not be able to have any actual power, anyone who doesn't agree with their appointment could easily just go off and start their own movement and hold a line on their own, at best an election of leadership would be an excercise in futility and irrelevance.

At worst it would be highly polarizing.

I think we've come far the way that we are now, and that what we need to do is grown in numbers, keep encouraging each other, and keep reminding each other to be civil and respectful, but relentless in our resolve. We have a handful of organizers and advisors that have been doing an outstanding work at keeping us well informed, urging us to be civil and keeping the fires going. I say we keep relying on them in their current capacities.

This is all of course, just my opinion.

I do believe we need an athemn, though.

Hold the line.

(Yes, I will keep pushing that song on you. Until it's either stuck in all your heads or no longer on mine.)

Modifié par maki0129, 19 mars 2012 - 06:50 .

[xsdob]

I love that as soon as people form bioware begin doing what this fandom has demanded they do and acknowledge that we exist, people claim more than ever that they are lying and not listening.

I have a feeling that when the endings do come out, these same people will be like "don't download it! it's just origin spyware form the PR department!"

[atghunter]

johnbonhamatron wrote...

Imma go all inspirational up in the hizzouse!

A Facebook post? Why should I worry about a non-commital Facebook post, when I'm standing side by side with you guys and gals?

Look around at everything we've achieved so far. It's not just gaming sites, we've made the mainstream media sit up and take notice. We've helped to raise a shedload of money for an awesome, awesome charity. We've provided a support network, and a shoulder to cry on, for the people, just like us, who felt shattered by how the game ended (I know, I was one of those people). We should all be proud of what we've achieved, with dignity, civility and passion.

Think of what else we can achieve, together. It won't be easy, but nothing worth doing ever is.

I can't give the kind of top-down analysis someone like atg gives, 'cos it's not my field, but what I can do is promise you this: come what may, I will stand side by side with you.

Our choices should matter. And our choices will matter. There's the line, and we all know what to do.

Your passion and positive voice is as valuable an asset as an old gamer's (if not more so) to be certain!  I'm very proud to be standing with you. /salute

A most excellent post Sir.  My compliments! 

[wheelierdan]

i think our strength is in our numbers, we elect 5 to represent us, we look like 5 people. i think we should stay here, they need to see us... out of sight, out of mind.

[atghunter]

magikbbg wrote...

 @
wheelierdan - I never did either I've had this account I think since 2010, i never checked forums before either. I came here to find answers from the smarter people lurking the internet turns out they had no idea what just happened (when they beat the game) either!

Welcome!  I think you'll find some great dialogue here no matter what side you are inclined to!

[Sentr0]

our strength is in the amount of money they are/will losing, everything else doesnt matter for them

[Turkeysock]

maki0129 wrote...

Turkeysock wrote...

Well, I've donated a dollar (I'm a poor college grad with no job atm), I've read the last few pages, and I'll put my two cents in. Don't know if this has been put forward as an idea earlier, but here it goes:

If you really want this movement to succeed (I use this term loosely as we all have a different idea of what would be successful and what is not), it would be best to basically appoint a group of people to speak out for the whole movement. I'm aware that there are currently several different "Hold the line" groups, one here, facebook, and across other gaming sites. If we can get solid leadership from all these groups who can cooperate with each other, we can be much more effective as a whole.

A smaller group who speaks for us as, in clear concise civil responses, would be much better then what's going on. I'm not going to say that they might actually be able to chat with the good folks at Bioware/EA, but if we gain real leadership, it would simply make us something that cannot be ignored.

In my opinion, I'd say we should get a group of 7-10 people (or we could go with 4:P ) elected from people on here to form a "council" and then they vote for a person among themselves (or from outside if they feel that person is a better choice) to lead the council.

I respectfully disagree.

First off, because those people would not be able to have any actual power, anyone who doesn't agree with their appointment could easily just go off and start their own movement and hold a line on their own, at best an election of leadership would be an excercise in futility and irrelevance.

At worst it would be highly polarizing.

I think we've come far the way that we are now, and that what we need to do is grown in numbers, keep encouraging each other, and keep reminding each other to be civil and respectful, but relentless in our resolve. We have a handful of organizers and advisors that have been doing an outstanding work at keeping us well informed, urging us to be civil and keeping the fires going. I say we keep relying on them in their current capacities.

This is all of course, just my opinion.

I do believe we need an athemn, though.

Hold the line.

(Yes, I will keep pushing that song on you. Until it's either stuck in all your heads or no longer on mine.)

I see your point, but I also think that we should at least have some kind of group within that would suggest where and what to do. Plus it's not like Bioware/EA can really do anything hostile against these people, after all an attack on them would be an attack on all of us. And truly united we would be better suited to doing prolong fight for getting a better movement (Though I gotta say, it would really suck if this entire crappy ending was a PR stunt to get more heads turning to ME3 and they've planned some kind of ending DLC this whole time).

Also, I think this song would be much better choice for how we fans feel

[The Nur]

Agreed.

Bioware is asking US as a playerbase for feedback.

Not just the most vocal.

There's strength in numbers. Numbers are harder to deny.

[FirstBlood XL]

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

I hope BW understands that if they "let the storm blow over", it won't be a good thing for them. The "storm blowing over" will mean that the vast majority of BW's core, dedicated fanbase has stopped caring about the Mass Effect franchise and that they accept that BioWare betrayed and lied to them in such a shocking and blatant way. And they'll be vocal about it. Memes will be born (there are already half a dozen all over the internet) months down the line. BW will forever have a huge black stain on their reputation, with a huge chunk of formerly loyal, dedicated fans all deriding BW for the massive betrayal. I don't mean this as some kind of impassioned flame, threat, or insult. I'm just saying what is very, very likely to happen if BW tries to "let the storm blow over."

The storm is because people care. If the storm "blows over", then people have stopped caring, not about their grievances, but about the Mass Effect franchise and their former loyalty for and admiration of BW. A lot of that may turn into cynicism and vocal warning to save others from the same fate. And, really, would they be wrong in doing so?

Fully agreed.... can't speak for anyone else,  but for me... this is it exactly.

EA/BW should be careful what they wish for, if their wish is for all this to 'blow over'.  I've never seen a fandom so clearly, and in so many numbers, voice their concern over a game/movie.  To not correct this would be a mistake I'd never forgive EA/BW for.

[Deteramot]

xsdob wrote...

I love that as soon as people form bioware begin doing what this fandom has demanded they do and acknowledge that we exist, people claim more than ever that they are lying and not listening.

I have a feeling that when the endings do come out, these same people will be like "don't download it! it's just origin spyware form the PR department!"

Saying "Yes, we are listening to your feedback," is pretty much as devious a noncommital response as you can get. It manages to indicate that they care while not actually saying that they're going to do something. And saying it on Facebook or Twitter leaves too much possibility that it's someone who has no real authority to do anything.

Releasing an actual ending would be entirely different. Hell, a press release directly from someone on the development team, or the CEO, or maybe even from EA instead of Bioware, since EA has more power, that said something definitive and concrete would not be brushed aside as "LIES!"

We deserve an ending that means something. Hold the Line.

[FryinHard]

Here's an interesting follow up on some MP stats put out a couple days ago from BioWare written by Kotaku. I remember reading about the MP stats in the original article and it was full of people breaking down the total hours played by an estimated total number of players. They were coming up with a 3-5 hour per possible game purchased and coincides with what the Kotaku writer said.

http://kotaku.com/58...are-missing-one

Not sure if you guys have seen it yet, only an hour old, let alone the original stats.

[Kokobware]

Turkeysock wrote...

Also, I think this song would be much better choice for how we fans feel

I think this one may be more appropriate:

Modifié par Kokobware, 19 mars 2012 - 07:05 .

[atghunter]

CommanderDJ wrote...

Hey guys,
I've been watching the movement ever since finishing the game. I've donated to Child's Play and I'm considering doing so again. I loved the Marauder Shields thing that came out of this. It's been amazing to see so many fans unite to defend the franchise we love, and for so many people to give their own perspectives and insights into what BioWare's doing. I admit I was very pessimistic at first regarding it but seeing the movement coalesce like this in addition to the latest PR slip up has brought me some hope. Every time I think of Shepard and Liara being denied their little blue children it tears me up. I fell in love with the franchise since the first game, especially the characters. I held hope all these years that after finishing the fight Shepard would finally get some happiness and peace, and having that dashed away has both angered and greatly saddened me. My faith in BioWare has been utterly shaken, and it's going to take a lot for them to win it back. But thanks to all you guys have said and done, I do believe that if nothing else, we are making a mark and being heard. Make Kirrahe proud. Make Marauder Shields proud. Make Anderson proud. Make your love interests proud. Make Shepard proud. They're all watching you, because all their fates now rest in your hands.

Hold the Line.

I hope you'll incorporate what you wrote into a bit of correspondence to EA/Bioware.  It is a powerful message and obviously from the heart.

Grab a chair, discuss ideas, enjoy what is a great community within a community, and use your voice!

Welcome!

[atghunter]

Nadtsat wrote...

Belgian fleets bringing supplies for the troops... beer, belgian fries (because fries aren't french) and waffles+chocolate for desert .

I may have to put in for a 48 hour pass from the American Fleet to come visit your commissary ship!  Welcome!

[Raze4573]

The person that went to the FTC has my approval. ME3 is an incomplete product that lacks a lot that was promised. Not to mention Prothy
I can understand the lack of every single feature that was promised, but not forgive, but we fight for the proper and true ending that will complete the product known as Mass Effect 3.
That guy just decided to try and get some different support.

[maki0129]

Turkeysock wrote...

I see your point, but I also think that we should at least have some kind of group within that would suggest where and what to do. Plus it's not like Bioware/EA can really do anything hostile against these people, after all an attack on them would be an attack on all of us. And truly united we would be better suited to doing prolong fight for getting a better movement (Though I gotta say, it would really suck if this entire crappy ending was a PR stunt to get more heads turning to ME3 and they've planned some kind of ending DLC this whole time).

Also, I think this song would be much better choice for how we fans feel

Technically such a group already exists, it just hasn't been officially appointed yet and I don't think it needs to. The people that bring the best ideas, in the most civil and respectful manner are heard, the ones who just yell nonsense and scream like children while calling for the heads of the Bioware developers are ignored. The way we are right now may be messy, but it ensures that all voices that are worth hearing are being heard.

I respect the idea, and see where you're coming from, I just don't agree with it.

Of course, if it gains enough traction, it might just happen. And I could get on board with it, if the right people are picked.

Either way I'll keep
Holding the line.

Also, your song is great, love me some Johnny Cash but it lacks a key ingredient.

It doesn't say "Hold the line".