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[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Sentr0 wrote...

our strength is in the amount of money they are/will losing, everything else doesnt matter for them

Yeah and i thnik the people who have canceled TOR accounts have done a great job in this respect.  Let's say that 1000 cancel a TOR account over this. Now that may not seem like a big number but I believe TOR costs $10 a month to play(if I am wrong please correct me on this)so that is $10,000 or $120,000 a year bioware loses.  Also while Multiplayer may be doing well now and Bioware may think they can live off of it the fact of the matter is that Mass Effect is not the best shooter around so as soon as the next COD comes out they are going to lose quit a few players. Also they need people to preorder their next game. In other words the long term health of the company depends on us.  I have talked to people and even casulal gamers who don't go online have heard of this now Bioware is getting a reputation of delivering shoddy over priced games with the people I have talked to.  If we stick together and don't start fighting each other and don't give in just because it takes few months for Bioware and EA to feel the full impact we will win and they will have to win us back.  Don't touch a Bioware or EA prduct until new ending DLC that doesn't require Mltiplayer to get any of the endings is released.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[ElMuchu]

Maybe things will move see this on Bioware facbook page:
https://www.facebook...275243029217754

Modifié par ElMuchu, 19 mars 2012 - 07:14 .

[atghunter]

Lugaidster wrote...

lasertank wrote...

Is it just me feeling that they are closing threads against them?

I have the same feeling to. I've seen 5 closed threads in the last 10 minutes :S.

Standard PR SOP.  They've had a bit of a meltdown this evening and now are sending in the sweepers to do some damage control.  Remain civil and we should be just fine here.

Hold the Line

[Turkeysock]

maki0129 wrote...
Technically such a group already exists, it just hasn't been officially appointed yet and I don't think it needs to. The people that bring the best ideas, in the most civil and respectful manner are heard, the ones who just yell nonsense and scream like children while calling for the heads of the Bioware developers are ignored. The way we are right now may be messy, but it ensures that all voices that are worth hearing are being heard.

I respect the idea, and see where you're coming from, I just don't agree with it.

Of course, if it gains enough traction, it might just happen. And I could get on board with it, if the right people are picked.

Either way I'll keep
Holding the line.

Also, your song is great, love me some Johnny Cash but it lacks a key ingredient.

It doesn't say "Hold the line".

It's understandable. Leadership does not necessarily mean anything will actually get done. I've been following the other threads that last like 20-30 replies, so I'm behind on what is what on this one. Though I like how Bachuck has done with summerizing some good posts that help lay down a more concise idea of what it is that we want.

As for the theme song, I know it doesn't match anything we go for, but Queen is always awesome!

[Nadtsat]

Here's your antheem folks...

It's not in the way they fooled us
It's not in the way they say they care
It's not in the way they've treated their fans 
It's not in the way that you hate how it ends
It's not in the way your shep looks or the things that they said they'd do

Hold the line
Our Sheps aren't always on time

It's not in the words that they told us
It's not in the way they think we'll leave 
It's not in the way that we came back at them
It's not in the way that an ending sets us free
It's not in the way your shep looks or the things that they said they'd do

Hold the line
We've got plenty of time

It's not in the words that they told us
It's not in the way they think we'll leave 
It's not in the way that we came back at them
It's not in the way that an ending sets us free
It's not in the way your shep looks or the things that they said they'd do

Hold the line
We're not backing out this time

It's not in the way that they fool us
It's not in the way that they make us leave
You see
It's all about the way we do the things we do
The way we do it
We've got to hold it
Hold it

Hold the line
We'll have an ending this time!

Modifié par Nadtsat, 19 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

atghunter wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

lasertank wrote...

Is it just me feeling that they are closing threads against them?

I have the same feeling to. I've seen 5 closed threads in the last 10 minutes :S.

Standard PR SOP.  They've had a bit of a meltdown this evening and now are sending in the sweepers to do some damage control.  Remain civil and we should be just fine here.

Hold the Line

Yeah and even if they do shut down every negative thread here and ban us all let's all make a promise that we will not give up and we will move all the info and everything we are talking about to facebook.  We can not let them shut us down. Even if they ban me I will still hold the line and not touch any Bioware or EA products until they give me what I paid for in the first place.
Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[fieryace]

maki0129 wrote...

This is all of course, just my opinion.

I do believe we need an athemn, though.

Hold the line.

(Yes, I will keep pushing that song on you. Until it's either stuck in all your heads or no longer on mine.)

 Hold the line. Because (BioWare's) love isn't always on time?

[maki0129]

Turkeysock wrote...

It's understandable. Leadership does not necessarily mean anything will actually get done. I've been following the other threads that last like 20-30 replies, so I'm behind on what is what on this one. Though I like how Bachuck has done with summerizing some good posts that help lay down a more concise idea of what it is that we want.

As for the theme song, I know it doesn't match anything we go for, but Queen is always awesome!

On that note, I'd consider Atg too since he's done a good in making us aware of the tactics used by EA's bulls--

*ahem*

Their PR department.

See? And they say us Retake people can't be civil about our disagreements. Good talk.

Also... I LOVE THAT SONG.

And I'm drunk enough to sing it aloud at neighbor angering volume in spite of it being 1 AM. Be back in four minutes.

Modifié par maki0129, 19 mars 2012 - 07:22 .

[Deteramot]

Colorado fleet signing off. Will continue to hold the line tomorrow.

Tonight, I am tired. Need sleep. Destroy universe... later.

[atghunter]

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

I hope BW understands that if they "let the storm blow over", it won't be a good thing for them. The "storm blowing over" will mean that the vast majority of BW's core, dedicated fanbase has stopped caring about the Mass Effect franchise and that they accept that BioWare betrayed and lied to them in such a shocking and blatant way. And they'll be vocal about it. Memes will be born (there are already half a dozen all over the internet) months down the line. BW will forever have a huge black stain on their reputation, with a huge chunk of formerly loyal, dedicated fans all deriding BW for the massive betrayal. I don't mean this as some kind of impassioned flame, threat, or insult. I'm just saying what is very, very likely to happen if BW tries to "let the storm blow over."

The storm is because people care. If the storm "blows over", then people have stopped caring, not about their grievances, but about the Mass Effect franchise and their former loyalty for and admiration of BW. A lot of that may turn into cynicism and vocal warning to save others from the same fate. And, really, would they be wrong in doing so?

Spot on btw.  PR folks know that when your loyal fans walk away from something like this at best they become apathetic to your brand, at worst, openly hostile.  It is in EA's best interest to keep the dialogue going since this mess seems to involve a solid portion of their invested "loyal" customer base.  Casual consumers may buy your game, but the loyal base will buy the merchandise, spread approval by word of mouth, etc.  Ultimately it comes down to something a very wise professor once told me:

The worst enemy a man can ever have is a former friend. 

The problem EA has is that they are compiling data and trying to reach a consensus all while juggling media inquiries and consumer dissatisfaction. 

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Never Give up Never Surrender!
Good night Tim Allen in Galaxy Quest was more heroic then Shepard at the end of ME3.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[cinderburster]

atghunter wrote...

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

I hope BW understands that if they "let the storm blow over", it won't be a good thing for them. The "storm blowing over" will mean that the vast majority of BW's core, dedicated fanbase has stopped caring about the Mass Effect franchise and that they accept that BioWare betrayed and lied to them in such a shocking and blatant way. And they'll be vocal about it. Memes will be born (there are already half a dozen all over the internet) months down the line. BW will forever have a huge black stain on their reputation, with a huge chunk of formerly loyal, dedicated fans all deriding BW for the massive betrayal. I don't mean this as some kind of impassioned flame, threat, or insult. I'm just saying what is very, very likely to happen if BW tries to "let the storm blow over."

The storm is because people care. If the storm "blows over", then people have stopped caring, not about their grievances, but about the Mass Effect franchise and their former loyalty for and admiration of BW. A lot of that may turn into cynicism and vocal warning to save others from the same fate. And, really, would they be wrong in doing so?

Spot on btw.  PR folks know that when your loyal fans walk away from something like this at best they become apathetic to your brand, at worst, openly hostile.  It is in EA's best interest to keep the dialogue going since this mess seems to involve a solid portion of their invested "loyal" customer base.  Casual consumers may buy your game, but the loyal base will buy the merchandise, spread approval by word of mouth, etc.  Ultimately it comes down to something a very wise professor once told me:

The worst enemy a man can ever have is a former friend. 

The problem EA has is that they are compiling data and trying to reach a consensus all while juggling media inquiries and consumer dissatisfaction. 

The question is: will EA make the right choice?  Someone else on the forums mentioned that they've run other developers they've acquired into the ground.

I'm still holding the line, I'm just a little afraid for Bioware, tbh.

[TurambarEA]

I was in the 'leaders would help' camp but I realise now that that's a double edged sword that carries a lot of risks (leaders can be isolated and torn down by media, etc., having one or a group of people leading might polarise our own movement, leaders have their own opinions which might not be shared between all members - further risk of splintering, etc.).

Go the Geth way: we are legion, we are building a consensus (and we do it politely and concisely).

[atghunter]

Aarick13 wrote...

Hey guys. Been checking this thread every day to see about new updates. I have read all of the OP and some pages here and there. Don't have the time to go through everything. I felt like adding my 2c worth. I like 5 friends all bought it first day and have finished it but i also have multiple friends that haven't finished. We are holding the line. We are all disgruntled about the laziness of the endings.

The one thing we want above all else right now is answers. I have accepted that this is Biowares game and they took the story in a direction they thought was interesting and it is their prerogative to do so. I don't think they should have and personally they have ruined any repeatability in any of the games. I had grand plans to finish 3 then replay all the games with all new decisions and going in new directions. But alas that is gone since my choices don't matter in the end. That being said I wish they would just come out and say if this is what they had planned and to address the major plot holes. How did Joker get my team off Earth whilst being guarded by 3 Reapers but couldn't drop me down there when it was only 1, why did he decide to go on an intergalactic maccas run when the rest of the universes fleets are fighting and dieing and so many more.

We aren't going to buy any DLC. Heck me and a couple of my friends cancelled our Star Wars:The Old Republic subscriptions and directly blamed the poor endings of ME3 as reasons why we stopped playing. (In truth we were bored, but i figure they will listen if they think it affects all their games not just ME3).

Ok im glad i got that rant out of the way.

Hold the line.

Thank you for taking the time to share your story, it's what this thread is for!  Grab a chair, get some ideas on how you can convey your feelings to Bioware/EA and let your voice be heard.  

Welcome! 

[mrbauxjangles]

Best anthem is " we're not gonna take it' by twisted sister

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

atghunter wrote...

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

I hope BW understands that if they "let the storm blow over", it won't be a good thing for them. The "storm blowing over" will mean that the vast majority of BW's core, dedicated fanbase has stopped caring about the Mass Effect franchise and that they accept that BioWare betrayed and lied to them in such a shocking and blatant way. And they'll be vocal about it. Memes will be born (there are already half a dozen all over the internet) months down the line. BW will forever have a huge black stain on their reputation, with a huge chunk of formerly loyal, dedicated fans all deriding BW for the massive betrayal. I don't mean this as some kind of impassioned flame, threat, or insult. I'm just saying what is very, very likely to happen if BW tries to "let the storm blow over."

The storm is because people care. If the storm "blows over", then people have stopped caring, not about their grievances, but about the Mass Effect franchise and their former loyalty for and admiration of BW. A lot of that may turn into cynicism and vocal warning to save others from the same fate. And, really, would they be wrong in doing so?

Spot on btw.  PR folks know that when your loyal fans walk away from something like this at best they become apathetic to your brand, at worst, openly hostile.  It is in EA's best interest to keep the dialogue going since this mess seems to involve a solid portion of their invested "loyal" customer base.  Casual consumers may buy your game, but the loyal base will buy the merchandise, spread approval by word of mouth, etc.  Ultimately it comes down to something a very wise professor once told me:

The worst enemy a man can ever have is a former friend. 

The problem EA has is that they are compiling data and trying to reach a consensus all while juggling media inquiries and consumer dissatisfaction. 

Also as I said earlier from what I am seeing this is kind of spreading to casual gamers.  I have noticed that ever since the prices of games started going up and $60 became the norm they are more carful about what they but and the casual gamers i know figure that if ME3 is so bad that a hardcore fan like me wishes he hadn't bought it then it must not be very good.

If we stick together we will win just don't expect it to happen over night.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[maki0129]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

Best anthem is " we're not gonna take it' by twisted sister

So, I'm the only one who's mind went to Toto when I started hearing so much "Hold the line"?

... That doesn't make me feel old.

Or like a dork.

At all... >.>...

[shephard987]

http://www.torrentga...ng/#comment-732

PRESS

HOLD THE LINE

[atghunter]

cinderburster wrote...

atghunter wrote...

SaltyWaffles-PD wrote...

I hope BW understands that if they "let the storm blow over", it won't be a good thing for them. The "storm blowing over" will mean that the vast majority of BW's core, dedicated fanbase has stopped caring about the Mass Effect franchise and that they accept that BioWare betrayed and lied to them in such a shocking and blatant way. And they'll be vocal about it. Memes will be born (there are already half a dozen all over the internet) months down the line. BW will forever have a huge black stain on their reputation, with a huge chunk of formerly loyal, dedicated fans all deriding BW for the massive betrayal. I don't mean this as some kind of impassioned flame, threat, or insult. I'm just saying what is very, very likely to happen if BW tries to "let the storm blow over."

The storm is because people care. If the storm "blows over", then people have stopped caring, not about their grievances, but about the Mass Effect franchise and their former loyalty for and admiration of BW. A lot of that may turn into cynicism and vocal warning to save others from the same fate. And, really, would they be wrong in doing so?

Spot on btw.  PR folks know that when your loyal fans walk away from something like this at best they become apathetic to your brand, at worst, openly hostile.  It is in EA's best interest to keep the dialogue going since this mess seems to involve a solid portion of their invested "loyal" customer base.  Casual consumers may buy your game, but the loyal base will buy the merchandise, spread approval by word of mouth, etc.  Ultimately it comes down to something a very wise professor once told me:

The worst enemy a man can ever have is a former friend. 

The problem EA has is that they are compiling data and trying to reach a consensus all while juggling media inquiries and consumer dissatisfaction. 

The question is: will EA make the right choice?  Someone else on the forums mentioned that they've run other developers they've acquired into the ground.

I'm still holding the line, I'm just a little afraid for Bioware, tbh.

It's just too early in this chessmatch to tell I'm afraid.  Watch the game price this week, it might give us some clues. 

[atghunter]

mrbauxjangles wrote...

Best anthem is " we're not gonna take it' by twisted sister

That song brings back some great memories.  Still have the LP and play it on my Victrola sometimes.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

No matter what don't give in. IF EA would rather lose bioware then make this right then so be it. Why should we buy games from a company that has no problem lying to us? Also don't preorder the new Dragon age,if preoroders on that fall that will show that this is hurting the whole company and will be the best reason they have to fix this.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Gespenst]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

dChronologer wrote...

Our Choices Should Matter:  Hold the Line!

Something along these lines seems like a good slogan, actually.

I remember some PR-guy talking about how we need one, seeing as "Hold the line" conveys no actual message

Except for the message that our dissatisfaction is not a small matter and that we won't be going away until we've 'won' or are overwhelmed by krogan.

[maki0129]

atghunter wrote...
It's just too early in this chessmatch to tell I'm afraid.  Watch the game price this week, it might give us some clues. 

If my tables are right...

And I'm a Ph. D. in applied math so bear with me on this one...

It's unlikely we'll see an effect to this movement in the price of the game until Tuesday of the first week of April.

Then again, I might be wrong on this one since I'm not as acquainted with the gaming industry as I'd like to be, I cooked up this calculation on my spare time this Friday morning.

[atghunter]

Alright all you terrific people, I'm off. Still moving through my inbox and promise I'll keep at it on breaks at work tomrrow.

Some great discussions tonight btw!

Stay strong, stay civil and use your voice no matter what side you take! As for me, beside each of you I will Hold the Line

Modifié par atghunter, 19 mars 2012 - 07:37 .