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[RocketManSR2]

F*** it. *Joins the line*

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Bigdoser wrote...

Yup I told my elder brother and some of my friends not to buy mass effect 3 and oh boy they do listen to my gaming advice.

Same here.  Only it was my dad,my brother,and a friend.

Please people hold the line until we get something other then what could be PR spin.

The first thnig we should buy from bioware should be new endings DLC,we should get what they told us would be in the game in the first place.

Hold the line as long as it takes people.

[NubXL]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

NubXL wrote...

Hudson's statement is rather disgusting. The man completely and utterly lied to us over and over leading up to launch. Promising grandiose, complex endings where our decisions over the course of 5 years would culminate into one of numerous finales. Couldn't have delivered something more contrary if he tried.

Stop accusing the devs of lying. That is just the opposite of what we need to be doing, damn it. 

There's no "maybe he did, maybe he didn't" about it.  The man lied.  Period.  He promised things that he did not deliver.  Tell him to stop lying if you don't want people calling him a liar.

Modifié par NubXL, 17 mars 2012 - 03:59 .

[Yalision]

I'm still here. Still holding the line. I will speak with my wallet. Feel like playing the original DA again... sigh.

[yuncas]

atghunter wrote...

yuncas wrote...

You know this is actually wearing away a little at my tried and true cynicism. I've never seen firsthand how social media can make waves like this.

You haven't seen it much because it is a fairly new aspect of the PR corporate paradigm.  Imagine chess with all it's known gambits, and suddenly someone introduces a new piece.  May make for a terrible ending of a mass effect game, but makes for a fascinating possible bellweather change in the consumer/producer marketplace.

Exactly. I'm actually very interested to see how this will pan out. Your blitzkrieg comparison, I don't think I could have come up with a better way to describe it if I had a month to sit and think about it.

[FugitiveMind]

Nafzger wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

I'm pleasantly surprised how nice it has to have a PR guy on this side of the fence for once. It's refreshing for us as well as educational. It's wonderful to know what is REALLY going on and more importantly WHY.

With the post late on a Friday, some people who will remember (I'm old, and it's St Patricks Day, I'll be lucky if I remember my name) should get some links ready to forward to appropriate parties Monday morning so they don't get lost and buried as I imagine is hoped.

As far as the "Tell us what you want in the ending" bit, I can't help but think this is more PR...
(because I've been a massive conspiracy theorist since this whole thing started)

On the surface it looks like "help us help you"

But the more I look at it, the more I think they want us to start putting out ideas and then start arguing over them amongst ourselves.

Deflect the non-quality ending topic by making us infight on what it should have been (because this is the internet, that's what happens here)

Then as that arguement gains steam, the original rage can just fade away

TREAD LIGHTLY MY FRIENDS

DAMN YOU, KROGAN!

What did I do??

[Voods07]

I was talking with a total stranger today in class because we had a social activity (Italian class, we had t converse in Italian with people in the class) and happened to mention Mass Effect 3. He immediately said to me "I hear the ending sucked".

I never met the guy, but our movement is obviously getting "around".

[RocketManSR2]

NubXL wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

NubXL wrote...

Hudson's statement is rather disgusting. The man completely and utterly lied to us over and over leading up to launch. Promising grandiose, complex endings where our decisions over the course of 5 years would culminate into one of numerous finales. Couldn't have delivered something more contrary if he tried.

Stop accusing the devs of lying. That is just the opposite of what we need to be doing, damn it. 

There's no "maybe he did, maybe he didn't" about it.  The man lied.  Period.  He promised things that he did not deliver.  Tell him to stop lying if you don't want people calling him a liar.

If you insist on doing that, please leave the topic.

[Butane9000]

This was a good read.

[Benathorn]

This guy is amazing and a very valuable member in this war. Hold the line!

[DeeBeeP]

 When was the last time you saw a thread get locked that wasn't because it was a copy of a current thread? It's been days since I've seen anything be locked for any other reason. You think the mods are treating the forums like they're walking on glass, as if locking any thread will just encite another riot?

[dheer]

Thanks for the updates Bachuck and atghunter. Really interesting read.

It really shows how little they think of us to try to bury this late on a Friday night. Reference two sources that thinks they actually did ok and then write us off as the other, out of step, "some."

[NubXL]

RocketManSR2 wrote...

NubXL wrote...

RocketManSR2 wrote...

NubXL wrote...

Hudson's statement is rather disgusting. The man completely and utterly lied to us over and over leading up to launch. Promising grandiose, complex endings where our decisions over the course of 5 years would culminate into one of numerous finales. Couldn't have delivered something more contrary if he tried.

Stop accusing the devs of lying. That is just the opposite of what we need to be doing, damn it. 

There's no "maybe he did, maybe he didn't" about it.  The man lied.  Period.  He promised things that he did not deliver.  Tell him to stop lying if you don't want people calling him a liar.

If you insist on doing that, please leave the topic.

I'd rather you stop avoiding reality, for your own sake.  Playing ostrich will get you nowhere.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Good to know, but I think most of us have figured as much. Good to have confirmation from someone who definitely seems to know what he/she is talking about.

Still gonna play ME3 because everything except the last bit is amazing. I'm holding the line.
But I'll keep playing ME3. The more I do, the more I'll be reminded of just how much of an eff up the ending was compared to the rest of the series.

And that'll keep my anger burning.
I will hold the line.

Modifié par Jonathan Shepard, 17 mars 2012 - 04:04 .

[Kioux]

Many thanks Atghunter for that informing read. It confirms certain things I wondered about and though it gave me hope it also made me wonder.
But - I'm a weed, in the end I don't give up. As was posted in one of the original posts, I also noticed how quickly people can be appeased by small gestures - such as the free weekend and what not and I personally find it sad to see - but my opinion is just that.
I for one know a growing group of people that stands by their decision and consequences - showing it in reselling games, refusing to buy DLC or future products and even cancelling their subscriptions with BW's MMO.
Yes, I am one that is unhappy with how it ended, I feel cheated and betrayed and while that is a very emotional response, I will try to represent that on an economical and neutral basis - not buying products by companies that I do not trust anymore and by spreading the word as well as my experiences. If this is one way we can reach the next level - than so it is. Thanks again for your time to share your insight with us and I hope we will eventually get somewhere.

[Darth Malignus]

Darth Sagan wrote...

Currently spreading the thread through the extranet.

This platform has encountered some resistance with other units refusing to accept widely accepted concensus.

Rewrite heretics or destroy?

[redknight38]

HackNFly wrote...

To: atghunter Considering the people who will simply not buy from Bioware anymore, and the large number of people who certainly won't preorder any games from Bioware anymore. Who do you think has the greater advantage as far as time is concerned (us/Bioware). People might not hold the line anymore, but they're also probably not going to care about Bioware as well.

I am simply going to repost what I already said and have been saying:

I will add what I have been harping on for a while now: threatening to boycott a product or products not yet made doesn't necessarily mean much. These DLC or ME4 or others have not necessarily been produced yet so Bioware hasn't expended money on them yet. Threatening not to buy them won't cost Bioware profit since the logical marketing response is to simply not make them. Bioware will make something else, perhaps evaluating the situation and using focus groups and marketing studies (I have friends who've been doing this stuff for years) to see which new audience to seek out instead.

It might be useful to do other, visible things. A boycott of Goliath would have been nice, but it's much too divisive
and dividing this movement is not a viable option. One person suggested changing your online avatar's name to reflect the movement, maybe adding "Hold The Line" or "Retake ME." This sounds like a reasonable
alternative, since it will show numbers. Not ideal, though, since you're still using the faulty product although it might send the message that while you enjoy the game and therefore will pay to get it "fixed" you are still displeased (there's no getting around paying). Like I said, it'll be a show of numbers.

Thatbeing said, I defer to atghunter's superior knowledge of PR and I believe him when he says that the new tactics of  "review bombing" and keeping up negative press online is achieving wonders. That might be enough. Correction, seeing price drops online (they do seem to be real) it seems more than enough.

Modifié par redknight38, 17 mars 2012 - 04:05 .

[ohbarf]

I'm a little late to the party, but these are really fantastic posts and I'm glad I got a chance to read them. I've seen those kind of damage control posts before (saying a lot while saying nothing) in other games, and I've seen changes come about when developers were continually pressured. I really hope we make a difference.

[woolyshambler246]

Wonderful read, especially for the "minority" of players who dislike the game's ending. I honestly hope all the anger does not dissipate over time and that consumers will force Bioware to rethink their ending and cater to our tastes.

Holding the Line.

[Jonathan Shepard]

Darth Malignus wrote...

Darth Sagan wrote...

Currently spreading the thread through the extranet.

This platform has encountered some resistance with other units refusing to accept widely accepted concensus.

Rewrite heretics or destroy?

Destroy. The heretics may have back-up programs that will cause them to revert to their heretical nature. To ensure the security and cohesion of our unit, we must prevent them from infiltrating our ranks, particularly under a banner of false peace.

[toolfan9284]

Great read, stay on point folks...this is just the beginning. I for one am committed.

[Bacusan]

Holy crap atghunter for Mass Effect 4 or something!!!

[Grasich]

I'm not usually one to threaten to boycot a company over a single poor decision, but having played mass effect for 5 years now, with hundreds of hours invested (not to mention significant emotional attachment), I'm getting really pissed. Up until the last few minutes of ME3, this was my favorite series of all time. To say it plainly, if they don't do something major about the endings, Bioware won't be seeing another penny from me.

[Dreogan]

Does it make me a conspiracy theorist for me to have this shadow of a thought in the back of my head that Atghunter is a double-agent for EA PR? After all, if EA controls both sides of the debate they can influence not only the conclusion but its entire course.

That aside, Bioware showed us last weekend no one's around during the weekend. This is a perfect time to make a move so we have a two day head start. Keep spreading the word!

Modifié par Dreogan, 17 mars 2012 - 04:16 .

[Zulmoka531]

DeeBeeP wrote...

 When was the last time you saw a thread get locked that wasn't because it was a copy of a current thread? It's been days since I've seen anything be locked for any other reason. You think the mods are treating the forums like they're walking on glass, as if locking any thread will just encite another riot?

I've seen several locked becuase "They aren't ME3 campaign related". This one they may not touch because of backlash, but at the end of the day it is THEIR foum and if they want to lock it...