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[Lurchibald]

RagingCeltik wrote...

 We've all been so serious lately, so here's a bit of lighthearted brevity into the thread to close out the weekend.
If Lord of the Rings ended like Mass Effect 3
If Ghostbusters ended like Mass Effect 3

It's funny because it's true 

[garf]

Janus382 wrote...

Let's cross the "paid or free" DLC bridge when we come to it, as it's obviously a divisive issue... tackling it early will only weaken us and strengthen our opposition.

Right now, we've come together to call for change and response. Let's not lose sight of that. Present a united front! Hold the line!

Exactly, Stay Strong, Stay Civil, Stay on Message.

[maki0129]

garf wrote...

It may be a compromise but right now they are offering nothing.

No Closure
No Sense
No Relays
No Choice...

In return they shall receive No Silence.

Now, this part I agree with.

Someone make that into a graphic, or a video with some epic track of the ME soundtrack.

[Tregon]

Biotic Budah wrote...

Well Bethesda made a fortune off of Broken Steel for Fallout 3 and the DLC that followed. I find it so very interesting that the big name game review/writer sites who say that Bioware shouldn't change the ending because of the "Terrible" precedent it would set haven't acknowledged that fact that Bethesda has already done it! They didn't care because it made the game a whole lot better.

Hold the line!

Again, honestly... Fallout3 ending was not broken. It was bitter one, or not if you chose ANOTHER ending (which were different in more than just shade of slides) but it was full closure.  And Broken Steel added much more things to enjoy on top of that. Hell, you were told what results your deeds had in Washington DC. Straight from box F3 had 26 different clips depending on outcomes. Broken Steel added 3. 

So in a sense it is different. It would be admittance that you seriously did f**k up your ending. 

Modifié par Tregon, 19 mars 2012 - 08:47 .

[ChandlerL]

Biotic Budah wrote...

Well Bethesda made a fortune off of Broken Steel for Fallout 3 and the DLC that followed. I find it so very interesting that the big name game review/writer sites who say that Bioware shouldn't change the ending because of the "Terrible" precedent it would set haven't acknowledged that fact that Bethesda has already done it! They didn't care because it made the game a whole lot better.

Hold the line!

Indeed so. And they made a few extra bucks for their trouble.

Other precedent? Hmmm. A couple more come to mind.

Death of Sherlock Holmes
Blade Runner - Scroll down to Director's and Final Cuts

Modifié par ChandlerL, 19 mars 2012 - 08:55 .

[Emberwake]

maki0129 wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

It is disgusting for you to try to guilt people into accepting less than what they deserve, excusing EA and Bioware's chronic mismanagement.

Let me be clear about something.

I am not trying to guilt anyone into anything. But this is the way that reality works, the capitalist system is in essence broken because most companies now operate like this, in fact. This kind of behavior is prevalent in most companies that subscribe to American capitalist system and it is the reason why unemployment is so high even though CEO's keep earning billions.

As I said, I'm not a fan of the endings, and I believe in an ideal world, that content should be free as of right now and forever.

But the chances of that happening are low right now.

And the chance of that happening without someone losing their job, are basically 0.

I'd rather pay for the content, than see dozens of people being laid off because their douchebag boss didn't do their job right.

I very strongly disagree. There is no rational reason that anyone would need to lose their job. People get laid off when a business cannot afford to keep them on staff. People get fired when they break the rules or make a substantial mistake.

Bioware ran with content that has pretty utterly fallen short of their fan's expectations, and now their reputation is damaged. They can save face by releasing an updated ending (at some point). Their reputation has a very real dollar value, and if they can maximize their future profits by making such a change now, you'd better believe they will.

[Lurchibald]

Tregon wrote...

Biotic Budah wrote...

Well Bethesda made a fortune off of Broken Steel for Fallout 3 and the DLC that followed. I find it so very interesting that the big name game review/writer sites who say that Bioware shouldn't change the ending because of the "Terrible" precedent it would set haven't acknowledged that fact that Bethesda has already done it! They didn't care because it made the game a whole lot better.

Hold the line!

Again, honestly... Fallout3 ending was not broken. It was bitter one, or not if you chose ANOTHER ending (which were different in more than just shade of slides) but it was full closure.  And Broken Steel added much more things to enjoy on top of that. Hell, you were told what results your deeds had in Washington DC.

So in a sense it is different. It would be admittance that you seriously did f**k up your ending.

Maybe Fallout 3's ending wasn't broken, but it was non-sensical, I mean, why couldn't Fawkes just press the button so we couldn't die instead of saying that nonsense about it being our "Destiny" and even with the Broken Steel DLC the Narrator still acts all indignant about the decision to make Fawkes press the button, Sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice is moronic.

[maki0129]

Tregon wrote...

So in a sense it is different. It would be admittance that you seriously did f**k up your ending. 

I'll tell you something someone should have told Whitney Houston.

Admitting you have a problem is the first step towards fixing it.

Giving absolutely no reply, and/or the reply we do not want ("the ending will definitely never ever change and it'll be the same forever and ever because it's awesome"), Bioware would lose too much, by now they know it. How favorable the response they give us is though, will depend now only on how long we can keep this up. But by now, it's obvious they've got to at least give us something.

[SkaldFish]

RagingCeltik wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

It is disgusting for you to try to guilt people into accepting less than what they deserve, excusing EA and Bioware's chronic mismanagement.

Let me be clear about something.

I am not trying to guilt anyone into anything. But this is the way that reality works, the capitalist system is in essence broken because most companies now operate like this, in fact. This kind of behavior is prevalent in most companies that subscribe to American capitalist system and it is the reason why unemployment is so high even though CEO's keep earning billions.

As I said, I'm not a fan of the endings, and I believe in an ideal world, that content should be free as of right now and forever.

But the chances of that happening are low right now.

And the chance of that happening without someone losing their job, are basically 0.

I'd rather pay for the content, than see dozens of people being laid off because their douchebag boss didn't do their job right.

Well said.

All we can really do is hold the line, and wait and see what happens.   No one is going to be completely happy with the answer from Bioware, and it's going to be a compromise.  But ultimately as far as pricing the DLC goes, I don't know that we'll ever have any say in that.   Protesting for artistic changes is one thing, but making financial demands on a company is another.

Two things:

First, as I just mentioned in a post, we shouldn't (IMO) look at this as a request for "artistic changes" but as requests for defect resolution in a software product. (In an interactive product that relies on narrative, things like nonsensical or incoherent narrative content are defects.)

Second, remember that the FIRST answer is in no way THE answer, as it will likely reflect an internal assessment of the minimum required to reduce the outcry to "acceptable" levels and generate more positive press.

[Fulgrim88]

Lurchibald wrote...

RagingCeltik wrote...

 We've all been so serious lately, so here's a bit of lighthearted brevity into the thread to close out the weekend.
If Lord of the Rings ended like Mass Effect 3
If Ghostbusters ended like Mass Effect 3

It's funny because it's true 

That it is...

Some first class satire on the same topic

[maki0129]

Lochias WH wrote...

I very strongly disagree. There is no rational reason that anyone would need to lose their job. People get laid off when a business cannot afford to keep them on staff. People get fired when they break the rules or make a substantial mistake.

Bioware ran with content that has pretty utterly fallen short of their fan's expectations, and now their reputation is damaged. They can save face by releasing an updated ending (at some point). Their reputation has a very real dollar value, and if they can maximize their future profits by making such a change now, you'd better believe they will.

You either over-estimate the revenues companies like Bioware make from game development, or underestimate the cost of massive undertakings such as Mass Effect 3, or its downloadable content.

Mass Effect is expected to earn it's owner, EA, a sizable amount of money over the next quarter, and is required to earn a minimum amount. If that minimum amount is threatened, trust me, EA will make up for it by cutting costs.

Modifié par maki0129, 19 mars 2012 - 08:58 .

[Tregon]

Lurchibald wrote...

Maybe Fallout 3's ending wasn't broken, but it was non-sensical, I mean, why couldn't Fawkes just press the button so we couldn't die instead of saying that nonsense about it being our "Destiny" and even with the Broken Steel DLC the Narrator still acts all indignant about the decision to make Fawkes press the button, Sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice is moronic.

True enough. Not exactly masterpiece, yes, but not nearly as defunct as ME3. In the end, for Fawkes it is one and same if purifier is fixed or not. He is not harmed by radiation in the water... Yeah, stupid, but not on scale of "we kill you so you would not be killed by others" and RGB-set.

[Fulgrim88]

And for the people going to PAX:

Please be civil.

There are so many ways an angry flashmob can go wrong, at conventions like these.
Stay civil, voice your disappointment, politely ask that they do something about it.

Don't provoke any "us vs. them" mentality. There will be thousands of other gamers that have no idea about ME3 or why it's ending is an issue, and the chances of coming across as the small, angry & entitled crowd they want us to be seen as, are astronomical

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 19 mars 2012 - 08:59 .

[Lurchibald]

Tregon wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

Maybe Fallout 3's ending wasn't broken, but it was non-sensical, I mean, why couldn't Fawkes just press the button so we couldn't die instead of saying that nonsense about it being our "Destiny" and even with the Broken Steel DLC the Narrator still acts all indignant about the decision to make Fawkes press the button, Sacrifice for the sake of sacrifice is moronic.

True enough. Not exactly masterpiece, yes, but not nearly as defunct as ME3. In the end, for Fawkes it is one and same if purifier is fixed or not. He is not harmed by radiation in the water... Yeah, stupid, but not on scale of "we kill you so you would not be killed by others" and RGB-set.

Don't get me wrong, I agree, I'm just saying that (Like ME3) there were some pretty obvious plot holes in the vanilla Ending of Fallout 3

[elsunga]

Please be patient. Keep in mind how it works in big companies like EA. Even if they would start to think to make an ending addon, there will be a lot of analysis, meetings etc and after that they would eventualy started with developing which would take some time. Then testing... Do not be unrealistic, we really need to be patient.

[Soma.E-Pro]

Fulgrim88 wrote...

And for the people going to PAX:

Please be civil.

There are so many ways an angry flashmob can go wrong, at conventions like these.
Stay civil, voice your disappointment, politely ask that they do something about it.

Don't provoke any "us vs. them" mentality. There will be thousands of other gamers that have no idea about ME3 or why it's ending is an issue, and the chances of coming across as the small, angry & entitled crowd they want us to be seen as, are astronomical

^this

[bahamutomega]

RagingCeltik wrote...

 We've all been so serious lately, so here's a bit of lighthearted brevity into the thread to close out the weekend.
If Lord of the Rings ended like Mass Effect 3
If Ghostbusters ended like Mass Effect 3

hahahahahahahahaha!!!
they need to make a part where Frodo morphs into Sauron or everyone turns into goblins.  have to have all 3 options, here, remember?

[Delpinolikespotatoes]

We must keep focused now and finish one problem untill we get into the next: Right now we must demmand a new ending and keep the pressure up.

IMO we al agree on this very simple topic:

We want an ending with more choices in which our deccisions trhough the games have a real impact and provides a true closure feeling for the trilogy. We'd also like some kind of epilogue where we can receive more information in how our actions affected the galaxy after the final mission. And even though bittersweet endings are ok players should also be able to get some alternative (Like the ME games have always provided you).

If we all agree on this we should focus on this. We can discuss other topics later.

[Shavyer]

very interesting this post, you all guys have to Hold the Line

I Love Mass Effect, and I'll be happier If I could say Mass Effect is better than any SCI-FI story ever, and for that, the end has to be as epic as the rest of it, please, make it so! i'm sure you can do an ending (or a diferents endings) that could impress all of us!

and for those people that actually liked the endings.... i envy you! xDDDD but this ones are not for me, i'm sorry, i was prepared to see Shepard die, but this??? the end of SW KOTOR was amazing, and epic, and surprising! why couldn't do something like that in ME3, why not bring us something about Shepard's past that blow our minds out and changes the view of the story! em... i'm talking too much, sorry xD

[fainmaca]

Having just seen the latest video from IGN on the issue, I feel the need to draw attention to it here.

I'm also going to post here what I put up on the other thread:

Please remember folks, this video is probably designed to elicit an angry response from you, the players. Anything that lets the pro-change side of things look like a bunch of angry, unprofessional teenagers will help support keeping the ending the same. So please, if you comment on this video:

Keep It As Civil As Possible.

Do not give this PR stunt what it wants, keep calm and professional. The Retake Mass Effect 3 movement needs cool heads and a clear indication that we are not your usual swarm of foam-at-the-mouth internet nerds, but are rather a co-ordinated group of reasonable fans.

Fainmaca Out.

Modifié par fainmaca, 19 mars 2012 - 09:13 .

[RagingCeltik]

SkaldFish wrote...

Two things:

First, as I just mentioned in a post, we shouldn't (IMO) look at this as a request for "artistic changes" but as requests for defect resolution in a software product. (In an interactive product that relies on narrative, things like nonsensical or incoherent narrative content are defects.)

Second, remember that the FIRST answer is in no way THE answer, as it will likely reflect an internal assessment of the minimum required to reduce the outcry to "acceptable" levels and generate more positive press.

Artistic changes was poor wording.  You're right.  Defect resolution is a much better way of putting it.

As for answer, I meant to imply whatever the final outcome may be isn't going to satisfy everyone.  There is going to be most likely a compromise of sorts, whatever it may be.   At some point in the distant future we will have to accept the solution they offer.   That time is far off though.

I don't envision this movement being a perpetual circle where they release a change or DLC and if we don't like it, they go back to the drawing board and release more until we stop protesting.   At some point, they're going to say "enough," and we as community will need to recognize what is fair.  And I'm sure we will.

But that's getting ahead of the present situtation.

[OhManTFE]

I will not stop being vocal until Bioware caves and declares they are working on New Ending DLC!!!

[Imortalfalcon]

Hold the line my brothers and sisters.

Be kind.
Be genuine.
Be civil.
Be heard.

Keep it clean.

[QicklyCze]

RagingCeltik wrote...

 We've all been so serious lately, so here's a bit of lighthearted brevity into the thread to close out the weekend.
If Lord of the Rings ended like Mass Effect 3
If Ghostbusters ended like Mass Effect 3

You just made my day, thank you!

[Militarized]

Soma.E-Pro wrote...

Fulgrim88 wrote...

And for the people going to PAX:

Please be civil.

There are so many ways an angry flashmob can go wrong, at conventions like these.
Stay civil, voice your disappointment, politely ask that they do something about it.

Don't provoke any "us vs. them" mentality. There will be thousands of other gamers that have no idea about ME3 or why it's ending is an issue, and the chances of coming across as the small, angry & entitled crowd they want us to be seen as, are astronomical

^this