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[Necroscope]

Hey, what was going on the official masseffect facebook page - someone still have this post by 'misinformed individual'?

[SkaldFish]

RagingCeltik wrote...

SkaldFish wrote...

Two things:

First, as I just mentioned in a post, we shouldn't (IMO) look at this as a request for "artistic changes" but as requests for defect resolution in a software product. (In an interactive product that relies on narrative, things like nonsensical or incoherent narrative content are defects.)

Second, remember that the FIRST answer is in no way THE answer, as it will likely reflect an internal assessment of the minimum required to reduce the outcry to "acceptable" levels and generate more positive press.

Artistic changes was poor wording.  You're right.  Defect resolution is a much better way of putting it.

As for answer, I meant to imply whatever the final outcome may be isn't going to satisfy everyone.  There is going to be most likely a compromise of sorts, whatever it may be.   At some point in the distant future we will have to accept the solution they offer.   That time is far off though.

I don't envision this movement being a perpetual circle where they release a change or DLC and if we don't like it, they go back to the drawing board and release more until we stop protesting.   At some point, they're going to say "enough," and we as community will need to recognize what is fair.  And I'm sure we will.

But that's getting ahead of the present situtation.

Thanks for clarifying. Agreed!

[OneWithTheAssassins]

I'll just leave this here...
http://browse.devian...?order=5&q=mass effect tali#/d4tbua6

[Gespenst]

garf wrote...

It may be a compromise but right now they are offering nothing.

No Closure

Replaced by explosions.

garf wrote...

No Sense

Replaced by explosions.

garf wrote...

No Relays

Replaced by explosions.

garf wrote...

No Choice...

Replaced by explosions.

No soul. Replaced by explosions.

I wish they'd given us the original ending they had planned, or failing that just an ending where the crucible did nothing, but guess what? I built up 7200 EMS, the entire galaxy is here to kill you Harbinger, or die trying.

Something that followed on from the set up.

Hell they could still pull this one off if they adopt the indoctrination theory and make that whole nonsense end a hallucination, if you accept the child's nonsense you get then you get a green or blue explosion, if you decide "screw that" and shoot things you wake up and then you get the real decision or ending - you could easily go into one off the two things I just said from that although the shoot the reapers a lot with guns ending isn’t a decision per se it's actually the culmination of all the decisions you've made throughout the trilogy and it would have been glorious. (You and the army fight Harbinger on the ground and if you have enough EMS then the fleet finishes off the reapers and then blows him the hell up - plus the game kind of needed a final boss (and I'll say again, lines for Harbinger))

Modifié par Gespenst, 19 mars 2012 - 09:52 .

[ElMuchu]

JK FALCO wrote...

I guess this is a good a thread as any to say my 5c. I have been following the events on this forum (and all around the internet) since Mass Effect 3's release last week. I should let it be known now that I have no industry background or insightful work experience to share like some of the other posters in this thread, I am just a 28 year old gamer from New Zealand. I have been playing games since my parents Amiga 600 and I have seen my fair share of great games and my fair share of bad games over the years.

I think it should be stressed, and I would hope that both ourselves (the gamers/protestors) and Bioware do not forget this, but Mass Effect 3 is not a bad game. It is a fantastic game. Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2 are also fantastic games.

That is why we are protesting, not because we hate Mass Effect 3 and think it is a bad game, but because we truly love the game. Most of us are just upset by the last 10 minutes.

I hope that Bioware realise that we are this passionate because we love the franchise and are their biggest fans. We are not some angry mob looking to cause trouble. If the franchise was terrible we would not bother. It would just be another game on a large pile of games that people play for several hours and throw away. I hope that we (the gamers/protestors) also don't forget this. We don't want this to turn nasty.

I think I can speak for most people when I say that over the years Bioware have been renowned as being a great game developer. If they weremto come to the party and give their loyal fans what they so desperately want - a fitting ending to Mass Effect 3 - then I would think this would reinforce their position as a great game developer for a long time to come. I know that would be my opinion of them anyway.

But maybe I'm just ranting.

Yep, it a good point to remind indeed

[Fulgrim88]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I'll just leave this here...
http://browse.devian...?order=5&q=mass effect tali#/d4tbua6

Glorious

[Alpha5811]

        I'm not one to sociolize on the internet (even forums), but I felt like I needed to get my voice heard about my experience with this series. I remember the first time I had bought the first Mass Effect. I was a freshman in college; architecture student, so I had very little time to enjoy such extensive videogames. After I had switch majors, I had a lot of free time and asked one of my roommates about some open world futuristic games; I got a little tired of playing Oblivion over and over again. That was when he suggested Mass Effect. I started playing the game and I expected graphics like Oblivion, but I was surprised. It was an entirely different feel; I felt so indepth with the characters and the storyline. After the first Mass Effect, I bought Mass Effect 2 and enjoyed that as well. It had a little darker feeling to it, but it was my choice in the end if I wanted to finish with a dark ending or an ending that was epic. I chose the ending that would lead me to Mass Effect 3.
        I didn't have many friends in school and I was always the quiet type sitting in the corner of the room starring at the wall worried that I might say something stupid (even if it was just a simple hello).In Mass Effect, I was able to connect with the characters to the point as though they were like my virtual friends. I love the fact that Garrus would always show up, in ME2 and ME3, in the most unexpected places. I felt the passion and love that Ash gave and enjoyed that feeling and it carried on as I fought of synthetics and every other enemy out there. I felt like I had purpose and I felt like I wasn't alone throughout this journey. Every companion had so many unique personalities and I could go on and on about each one, but I digress.
        I played Mass Effect 3 to the point where there was nothing else to do but to do the final showdown. I was emotionally attached to the series at this point. When we landed on earth, my gut told me that this wasn't going to end the way I thought it would. Earth looked like another scene from Call of Duty. It was just too abrupt. There was no real epic Shepard style landing like in ME2. 30 minutes before the ending hit, I chose Garrus and Ash to come with me to the final stages of the assault. I eventually ended in a situation where I had to destroy a reaper with a single rocket by just pushing a button...wow.. epic battle. (sarcasm sorry). 15 minutes in and I'm sure everyone knows what happened next. I saw through the entire ending and tears started to roll down my eyes; It had been 18 years since the last time I ever had tears rolling down my eyes (I'm 22).
      After playing Mass Effect 3, I was psychologically disturbed. I couldn't believe what had happened. I wanted closer; I wanted to see Joker and EDE together with Shepard standing there next to them in the end, Liara, Wrex, and everyone else to follow suite. I wanted my choices to have an affect throughout the entire series and I wanted to see the hard work I had put into this series; I wanted to see everyone's outcome in all of this. But the ending was just... defeating... I ejected the disc and had taken the game, along with ME2 and ME1, and stored them in the basement. I couldn't talk to anyone after that, not my family or my friends; I couldn't even eat dinner with my family because I was emotionally scarred. I felt like I lost a very close friend; a friend that stood by you when times were tough, a friend that you can always look back for moral support. I had been seeing a psychologist and a psychiatrist before this. They helped me through the emotional pain that came and went. I had support from my friends and family. But most importantly, I was not alone.
      I started to do some research to see if there was any kind of hope and I found exactly what I was looking for. I found the people who are "Holding the Line!" I found the biggest support of all; fans like me! So I will say this... I hope that this ending changes, I hope that someone is touched by what I have been through, as they read this, and forces a change. I want my choices to matter and i want to see closer; not just for Shepard, but for everyone!
       So...  I will raise my voice and Hold the Line! And I am not alone!


Thank You Everyone
     

Modifié par Alpha5811, 19 mars 2012 - 10:59 .

[Fulgrim88]

Alpha5811 wrote...
        I'm not one to sociolize on the internet (even forums), but I felt like I needed to get my voice heard about my experience with this series. I remember the first time I had bought the first Mass Effect. I was a freshman in college; architecture student, so I had very little time to enjoy such extensive videogames. After I had switch majors, I had a lot of free time and asked one of my roommates about some open world futuristic games; I got a little tired of playing Oblivion over and over again. That was when he suggested Mass Effect. I started playing the game and I expected graphics like Oblivion, but I was surprised. It was an entirely different feel; I felt so indepth with the characters and the storyline. After the first Mass Effect, I bought Mass Effect 2 and enjoyed that as well. It had a little darker feeling to it, but it was my choice in the end if I wanted to finish with a dark ending or an ending that was epic. I chose the ending that would lead me to Mass Effect 3.
        I didn't have many friends in school and I was always the quiet type sitting in the corner of the room starring at the wall worried that I might say something stupid (even if it was just a simple hello).In Mass Effect, I was able to connect with the characters to the point as though they were like my virtual friends. I love the fact that Garrus would always show up, in ME2 and ME3, in the most unexpected places. I felt the passion and love that Ash gave and enjoyed that feeling and it carried on as I fought of synthetics and every other enemy out there. I felt like I had purpose and I felt like I wasn't alone throughout this journey. Every companion had so many unique personalities and I could go on and on about each one, but I digress.
        I played Mass Effect 3 to the point where there was nothing else to do but to do the final showdown. I was emotionally attached to the series at this point. When we landed on earth, my gut told me that this wasn't going to end the way I thought it would. Earth looked like another scene from Call of Duty. It was just too abrupt. There was no real epic Shepard style landing like in ME2. 30 minutes before the ending hit, I chose Garrus and Ash to come with me to the final stages of the assault. I eventually ended in a situation where I had to destroy a reaper with a single rocket by just pushing a button...wow.. epic battle. (sarcasm sorry). 15 minutes in and I'm sure everyone knows what happened next. I saw through the entire ending and tears started to roll down my eyes; It had been 18 years since the last time I ever had tears rolling down my eyes (I'm 22).
      After playing Mass Effect 3, I was psychologically disturbed. I couldn't believe what had happened. I wanted closer; I wanted to see Joker and EDE together with Shepard standing there next to them in the end, Liara, Wrex, and everyone else to follow suite. I wanted my choices to have an affect throughout the entire series and I wanted to see the hard work I had put into this series; I wanted to see everyone's outcome in all of this. But the ending was just... defeating... I ejected the disc and had taken the game, along with ME2 and ME1, and stored them in the basement. I couldn't talk to anyone after that, not my family or my friends; I couldn't even eat dinner with my family because I was emotionally scarred. I felt like I lost a very close friend; a friend that stood by you when times were tough, a friend that you can always look back for moral support. I had been seeing a psychologist and a psychiatrist before this. They helped me through the emotional pain that came and went. I had support from my friends and family. But most importantly, I was not alone.
      I started to do some research to see if there was any kind of hope and I found exactly what I was looking for. I found the people who are "Holdong the Line!" I found the biggest support of all; fans like me! So I will say this... I hope that this ending changes, I hope that someone is touched by what I have been through, as they read this, and forces a change. I want my choices to matter and i want to see closer; not just for Shepard, but for everyone!
       So...  I will raise my voice and Hold the Line! And I am not alone!
    

Welcome. You are indeed not alone

[Vanni127]

YOu know...I just rewatched the official release trailer. It filled me with such profound sadness. Not because it was bad...on the contrary. It was the best trailer I've seen in years. It made me sad because something that got me so pumped is filled with more awesome than what was delivered. It feels like the trailer is now lying to me.

Watch it again folks and then tell me "Take Earth Back!" is what happened.

EA...Bioware...you know what you've done. Own up to it and then fix it.

Everyone in this thread and across the internet needs to stand up and shout from the rooftops that hell no this is not going to stand. We do not pay $60 (Hell I paid $80 for the N7 Digital Deluxe Edition) to get treated like this. Especially when we're your long time fans.

Anyways, stay strong...keep up the fight everyone. We deserve better. Our Choices Matter!

HOLD THE LINE!

[Lucypo0n]

I've been silently following this thread (and numerous others with regard to the ending debacle) and I'd like to pledge my support for the cause.

HMS Birmingham of the UK Fleet reporting for duty!

Holding the line.

[VAIOMANIAC]

[Wearyanna]

Lucypo0n wrote...

I've been silently following this thread (and numerous others with regard to the ending debacle) and I'd like to pledge my support for the cause.

HMS Birmingham of the UK Fleet reporting for duty!

Holding the line.

You are more than welcome, hold the line!

Wearyanna out

[maki0129]

VAIOMANIAC wrote...

Yep. Pretty much.

And remember people, hold the line.

[Nadtsat]

Some people are having fun with this...


"5 minutes of slowly limping so I can choose between suicide, suicide and suicide"

Genius!

[Zokopops]

What I think is happening right now:

Oh s***! they didn't like the ending......what shall we do?
I don't f***** know!!! We have already all this DLC taht is written based on the ending we have!!....
What shall we do? PANIC!!

[solvill]

@Alpha5811, @Lucypo0n

welcome, stay strong

HOLD THE LINE

[Wearyanna]

Alpha5811 wrote...
        I'm not one to sociolize on the internet (even forums), but I felt like I needed to get my voice heard about my experience with this series. I remember the first time I had bought the first Mass Effect. I was a freshman in college; architecture student, so I had very little time to enjoy such extensive videogames. After I had switch majors, I had a lot of free time and asked one of my roommates about some open world futuristic games; I got a little tired of playing Oblivion over and over again. That was when he suggested Mass Effect. I started playing the game and I expected graphics like Oblivion, but I was surprised. It was an entirely different feel; I felt so indepth with the characters and the storyline. After the first Mass Effect, I bought Mass Effect 2 and enjoyed that as well. It had a little darker feeling to it, but it was my choice in the end if I wanted to finish with a dark ending or an ending that was epic. I chose the ending that would lead me to Mass Effect 3.
        I didn't have many friends in school and I was always the quiet type sitting in the corner of the room starring at the wall worried that I might say something stupid (even if it was just a simple hello).In Mass Effect, I was able to connect with the characters to the point as though they were like my virtual friends. I love the fact that Garrus would always show up, in ME2 and ME3, in the most unexpected places. I felt the passion and love that Ash gave and enjoyed that feeling and it carried on as I fought of synthetics and every other enemy out there. I felt like I had purpose and I felt like I wasn't alone throughout this journey. Every companion had so many unique personalities and I could go on and on about each one, but I digress.
        I played Mass Effect 3 to the point where there was nothing else to do but to do the final showdown. I was emotionally attached to the series at this point. When we landed on earth, my gut told me that this wasn't going to end the way I thought it would. Earth looked like another scene from Call of Duty. It was just too abrupt. There was no real epic Shepard style landing like in ME2. 30 minutes before the ending hit, I chose Garrus and Ash to come with me to the final stages of the assault. I eventually ended in a situation where I had to destroy a reaper with a single rocket by just pushing a button...wow.. epic battle. (sarcasm sorry). 15 minutes in and I'm sure everyone knows what happened next. I saw through the entire ending and tears started to roll down my eyes; It had been 18 years since the last time I ever had tears rolling down my eyes (I'm 22).
      After playing Mass Effect 3, I was psychologically disturbed. I couldn't believe what had happened. I wanted closer; I wanted to see Joker and EDE together with Shepard standing there next to them in the end, Liara, Wrex, and everyone else to follow suite. I wanted my choices to have an affect throughout the entire series and I wanted to see the hard work I had put into this series; I wanted to see everyone's outcome in all of this. But the ending was just... defeating... I ejected the disc and had taken the game, along with ME2 and ME1, and stored them in the basement. I couldn't talk to anyone after that, not my family or my friends; I couldn't even eat dinner with my family because I was emotionally scarred. I felt like I lost a very close friend; a friend that stood by you when times were tough, a friend that you can always look back for moral support. I had been seeing a psychologist and a psychiatrist before this. They helped me through the emotional pain that came and went. I had support from my friends and family. But most importantly, I was not alone.
      I started to do some research to see if there was any kind of hope and I found exactly what I was looking for. I found the people who are "Holdong the Line!" I found the biggest support of all; fans like me! So I will say this... I hope that this ending changes, I hope that someone is touched by what I have been through, as they read this, and forces a change. I want my choices to matter and i want to see closer; not just for Shepard, but for everyone!
       So...  I will raise my voice and Hold the Line! And I am not alone!
     

Well said, I felt exactly like you describe after finishing the game.
- This can't be it?
- Does anyone else share my opinion?
- Did I do something wrong with my playthrough?
And after entering the forum here it felt good not to be alone and to see how many other reacted just like I did.
Hold the line!

Wearyanna out

[solvill]

Zokopops wrote...

What I think is happening right now:

Oh s***! they didn't like the ending......what shall we do?
I don't f***** know!!! We have already all this DLC taht is written based on the ending we have!!....
What shall we do? PANIC!!

well if the endings were suppose to be a part of a greater plan they should say so, but how someone with common sense could think ppl will like it ?????

[GreenSoda]

Necroscope wrote...

Hey, what was going on the official masseffect facebook page - someone still have this post by 'misinformed individual'?

It was a reply to a fan by the offical "masseffect" account. He (She ?) flatout said that, at the moment, there are no plans to change the endings in any form. That was only yesterday...doesn't exactly inspire hope, does it ?.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 19 mars 2012 - 10:12 .

[Lil One]

"It is good to know that this one is not alone in feeling the way this one does."

[SkaldFish]

Vanni127 wrote...

YOu know...I just rewatched the official release trailer. It filled me with such profound sadness. Not because it was bad...on the contrary. It was the best trailer I've seen in years. It made me sad because something that got me so pumped is filled with more awesome than what was delivered. It feels like the trailer is now lying to me.

Watch it again folks and then tell me "Take Earth Back!" is what happened.

EA...Bioware...you know what you've done. Own up to it and then fix it.

Everyone in this thread and across the internet needs to stand up and shout from the rooftops that hell no this is not going to stand. We do not pay $60 (Hell I paid $80 for the N7 Digital Deluxe Edition) to get treated like this. Especially when we're your long time fans.

Anyways, stay strong...keep up the fight everyone. We deserve better. Our Choices Matter!

HOLD THE LINE!

Agreed. I did that a couple of days ago -- replayed the last few trailers. They could hardly have been more misleading.

[kyrieee]

There's a lot of complaining about EA / BW
not responding strongly or clearly enough, but I think everyone should
try to see things from their perspective, at least for their own sake.

As I see it, there are three possibilities:

A) BioWare have no intention of changing the ending
BioWare are having internal debates about what do to
C) BioWare have decided to change the ending, or maybe it was planned all along

If it's A, then it makes no sense for them to come out and say it as that would just incite even more rage.
If it's B, then they're doing exactly what they're telling us right now
If it's C, then I still don't think it makes sense for them to reveal it, because it would essentially be telling everyone to not buy the game now. The only purchasing advice anyone would give would be "wait for the DLC". That would be much, much worse for them than this campaign of yours currently is.

So maybe they'll do something, maybe they won't, it just doesn't make sense for them to say it.

[devSin]

Zokopops wrote...

What I think is happening right now:

Oh s***! they didn't like the ending......what shall we do?
I don't f***** know!!! We have already all this DLC taht is written based on the ending we have!!....
What shall we do? PANIC!!

They've indicated in the past that their plans would have been more for pre-ending content, and not post-ending.

If they have post-ending plans, they should just say so (or drop some hints or run some teasers), unless it's as bad as that awful nonsense ending.

[Reached]

OneWithTheAssassins wrote...

I'll just leave this here...
http://browse.devian...?order=5&q=mass effect tali#/d4tbua6

win

[lanep25]

Radwar wrote...

maki0129 wrote...

Mvin wrote...

So, what to make of this? http://i.imgur.com/6bLRG.png

Is this damage control? Has an honest soul at Bioware told us the truth and is now taking the heat from both EA and the fanbase?

Both.

Jessica Merizan, the woman who's most likely responsible for that post, is, in my experience, an unusually sincere and nice person.

She is sincerely sympathetic of the gamer's plights, worries and concerns, and actively tries to connect to the whole fanbase at an emotional level.

That being said, she's a part of the PR division of EA, whose main goal regarding this issue, should be to stall and delay any actual commitments or discussions on this issue until it either blows over, or until the company as a whole decides the direction to take in this highly unusual and volatile scenario.

Yup, unusually is the right word which means I don't trust her. No matter how "nice" she is, she's still part of Bioware's PR which means she's on the other team, period.

Ditto! I've pointed this out to others regarding Jessica Merizan, but nobody seems to want to listen. Many seem to be hanging on to her every word for hope. It's really sad. I'm glad I'm not the only one who shares this view of her. She is still Bioware PR and is to be distrusted as such.

Modifié par lanep25, 19 mars 2012 - 10:28 .