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EA/Bioware in Full PR Damage Control Mode *UPDATED 3/22/12, 5:28 PM UTC/GMT -4 hours*


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Michotic

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x-Killision-X wrote...



     Kinda makes you wonder what they are working on when they say something like this: Miichael Gamble
"The team put in another late night yesterday. It'll be worth it". 
Jessicas reply to the twitter comment says that they are still gathering
responses (which to me says NO work has been done on a possible ending
DLC)

I guess what I'm driving at is, what could the team possibly
be working on that we would find "worth it" when fans are pretty
clearly looking for an ending DLC?


Sounds like delay tactics to me. If they sound like they're catering to us, they're hoping to reduce the pressure we're putting on them. Until I see 100% committment, I shall continue doing what I'm doing now.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

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I am not sure if you guys saw this but I saw someone post this video last night. The things he said about the real plot behind the series makes sense but then raises a lot of questions.

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Michotic wrote...

x-Killision-X wrote...



     Kinda makes you wonder what they are working on when they say something like this: Miichael Gamble
"The team put in another late night yesterday. It'll be worth it". 
Jessicas reply to the twitter comment says that they are still gathering
responses (which to me says NO work has been done on a possible ending
DLC)

I guess what I'm driving at is, what could the team possibly
be working on that we would find "worth it" when fans are pretty
clearly looking for an ending DLC?


Sounds like delay tactics to me. If they sound like they're catering to us, they're hoping to reduce the pressure we're putting on them. Until I see 100% committment, I shall continue doing what I'm doing now.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

I agree that it is to buy time, but someone in their PR department has to be reading these post and realising that the smoke and mirrors stuff just doesn't fly with fans.

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Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.

Nah, it's just a Tron quote.  It's not intentional.

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Sandoo wrote...

 

More about false advertising and consumer rights. Falling into the trap of being a fan first and consumer second is easy. If you let this slide then they can slide on future products, not just Bioware but the precedent is set for other developers. 


I understand what you say. I do not agree with it.
I think it's a matter of priority. For me Mass effect is the greatest game I've ever played but it will and will always be just a game.

I feel it's going to far now even if it's done well by the community. Even if i'm not as much as involved in it as some of you, i'll be happy to see the real/true ending on DLC and I would be okay to pay for it (and that is upseting me a lot!)

Talking is easy. And all we do is talking for now (us or bioware).
If Bioware does nothing, and fast, I will just boycott everything they do and they will lose 1 customer. Not much you might say but it's still one.
And I won't start even start on EA.

Either they officialy say a DLC with the ending is on the way very soon, or i'll say "bye bye". (and not those lame DLC like the arrival one.)
Forget about petitions. If you want to show how mad you are, just don't buy any EA/Bioware games. Don't play any of those games and don't even come on this forum.
But yeah, a bit more difficult to delete any Bioware/EA games from your computer or delete all bookmarks to the BSN.

And it's say in the first page that in the end it will all come to numbers. If all those who joined the retake FB thing deleted origin from their computer, they would have already had an official statement.

Well. Talking is easier than doing.

Honestly, that's needlessly derogatory. You're entitled to your opinion, so please express it without using a "talk is cheap" insult against those with whom you disagree. There's just no reason to do that.

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marshkoala wrote...

@Hydralysk

Great response!

@Jamie9 I realize that the comment about witchhunt could've been a joke but thought I would remind posters how easy it is to get on started. Your posts are very thoughtful.

@atghunter
Thanks so much for dropping in and commenting!!!!


I figured most people weren't being serious or trying to target people. I figured that if I was right, I might calm some people down, and if I was wrong, people would just think I'm a little stupid. :lol:

Either way, I wasn't targetting you or anyone directly. It's hard to try to calm people without seeming patronising or 'being a leader'. I definitely don't want to do either.

Thank you for the compliment btw!

Our choices should matter: Hold the Line.

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Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.


"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON. 
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".

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I will keep waiting as the ending needs redone or DLC something they dropped the ball big time. its not even the bad ending its the Plot holes

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Keep vocalizing your disappointment in the end to an otherwise fantastic series guys. I love everything I've been reading on the forums today. =)

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The Almighty Ali wrote...

Walked by a table durring lunch at work where some co-workers from the sales and administration department were talking about the ending of Mass Effect 3 and how they didn't like it, when I walked past it again I stopped and put a note down with a link to the Facebook and Twitter page along with our motto.

Got mail from them before I left work, just six little words.
"We will hold the line aswell."

So..What'd I miss here?


This is a sign that we are leaking into more mainstream areas. That is when things start to get interesting as even non-gamers start to ask "what's all this about and why?".

Hold the Line

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x-Killision-X wrote...

I agree that it is to buy time, but someone in their PR department has to be reading these post and realising that the smoke and mirrors stuff just doesn't fly with fans.


It's possible. However, not everyone follows these threads. They'll try anything to help reduce the pressure we're putting on them.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

Modifié par Michotic, 19 mars 2012 - 05:00 .


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Michotic wrote...

x-Killision-X wrote...



     Kinda makes you wonder what they are working on when they say something like this: Miichael Gamble
"The team put in another late night yesterday. It'll be worth it". 
Jessicas reply to the twitter comment says that they are still gathering
responses (which to me says NO work has been done on a possible ending
DLC)

I guess what I'm driving at is, what could the team possibly
be working on that we would find "worth it" when fans are pretty
clearly looking for an ending DLC?


Sounds like delay tactics to me. If they sound like they're catering to us, they're hoping to reduce the pressure we're putting on them. Until I see 100% committment, I shall continue doing what I'm doing now.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.


Well said.  Please don't fall for this.  This is going to take time don't fall for their spin.  Remember they are still lying about not needing MP to get all SP endings,why would they tell the truth on facebook or Twitter.  Don't touch anything made by EA or Bioware untill we get new endings DLC that doesn't use multiplayer to get points.
Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

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Flyprdu wrote...

Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.

Nah, it's just a Tron quote.  It's not intentional.

Stanley always...always says that. It's like a trademark.

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Volion wrote...

Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.


"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON. 
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".


it's also a nerd reference to coding. Terminate line, that is, terminating this operation. It has absolutly nothing to do with our HOLD THE LINE stuff, which is itself just a ripoff of Captain Kirrahee's speech in ME1.

 

Modifié par GoblinSapper, 19 mars 2012 - 05:03 .


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This thread is a great read, thanks to the OP and all those who contributed! Keep up the good work!

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Volion wrote...

Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.


"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON. 
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".

There's no way he picked it absent of thought for our unofficial catch cry 'hold the line'. I thought it was somewhat inflammatory as well (throwing sarcasm at already agitated people is always going to be inflammatory) but yes, agreed, don't rise to it.

I don't see how any threads concerning the endings or reactions to them can be considered not to be relevant to the story/campaign but if he's locking that thread for not being story related, then this one is really no different. Any Plan B in the event they start locking our threads?

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Give us those endings we were promised. Im not giving up until you conceed Bioware. You know what you promised. You know what we expected. Deliver it.

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TurambarEA wrote...

Volion wrote...

Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.


"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON. 
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".

There's no way he picked it absent of thought for our unofficial catch cry 'hold the line'. I thought it was somewhat inflammatory as well (throwing sarcasm at already agitated people is always going to be inflammatory) but yes, agreed, don't rise to it.

I don't see how any threads concerning the endings or reactions to them can be considered not to be relevant to the story/campaign but if he's locking that thread for not being story related, then this one is really no different. Any Plan B in the event they start locking our threads?


I'm one of many who've copied the OP but we can't just keep posting it or BioWare would just ban us all. Considering everyone here is debating in a constructive manner, I doubt BioWare will close this though.

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Whew, finally caught up again. atghunter for president, like, srsly. You may not want to be a leader of this movement, but if nothing else you're an inspiration.

So I'm thinking of doing a commentary video on Mass Effect 3 on my Youtube channel, probably Wednesday since RL calls the next couple days. I don't have a whole lot of subscribers, but I still have about 140, so I could reach a decent chunk of people.

Should I?

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Do what you can. Post it on the facebook. If you build it - they will come.

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Enichan wrote...

Whew, finally caught up again. atghunter for president, like, srsly. You may not want to be a leader of this movement, but if nothing else you're an inspiration.

So I'm thinking of doing a commentary video on Mass Effect 3 on my Youtube channel, probably Wednesday since RL calls the next couple days. I don't have a whole lot of subscribers, but I still have about 140, so I could reach a decent chunk of people.

Should I?


By all means get the word out.

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Enichan wrote...

Whew, finally caught up again. atghunter for president, like, srsly. You may not want to be a leader of this movement, but if nothing else you're an inspiration.

So I'm thinking of doing a commentary video on Mass Effect 3 on my Youtube channel, probably Wednesday since RL calls the next couple days. I don't have a whole lot of subscribers, but I still have about 140, so I could reach a decent chunk of people.

Should I?


Can you give us a link to your youtube channel so we can subscribe. That 140 can be 1000 :wizard:

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I can't keep up with all the forum topics anymore lol
Hold The Line!

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Looks like our letter campaign failed miserably, because there not even a whisper about it. The first bunch of letters should've arrived today, yet not a peep:(

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One bit of perspective from someone in the stock market (disclaimer, I do not deal in stocks for video game companies, but it should all be very similar). They will in fact lose money if they release a new ending. When people invest in a particular stock, they mainly look at 2 things, quarterly profits, and what the buzz about the company is. Right now their quarterlies are looking good as they release ME3 right before the end of Q1 getting great sales numbers for that quarter which looks good to investors (and IMO might be why the ending sucks so much.... they were just too close to the quarters end), and if you look at what you see when you don't look on forums, but rather at what an average investor would look at, you mostly don't see our cause being championed that much. Seriously take a look at google, alot of their money comes not only from sales, but also investors, and to an average investor it does in fact look like a vocal minority if they see it at all. This should change! Right now I'm assuming EA/Bioware is sitting in their lovely bunker, and they are thinking about it, but how they are thinking about it is probably in these terms.

1. If they release a statement saying our bad, we messed up then the news outlets will pick up on it immediately, and it makes EA/Bioware not look as good of an investment, and while the fans are happy, the investors (now that they know the company screwed up) will lose confidence. However, by doing this a new ending is made, and future sales will not go down.

2. Bunker down, ride the storm, and deal with the significantly reduced sales from fan dissatisfaction, which leads to less funding for bioware, and possibly a reduced role for them in EAs roster, however their stock price remains consistent.

Right now they are analyzing which will cost them more money. The thing is they are going to lose money anyway, and they should (they delivered a bad product, that did not meet expectations that the creators themselves created), however we can pick which way they lose it. We love bioware, and know they can make good games, that's why we'd all prefer it if choice #1 happened (also because I want my house with tali). We can have #1, all we need to do is take the choice away from EA/Bioware, spread the message to the media as much as possible, and when the investors start panicking they will move heaven and earth to not lose their second source of money (aka DLC sales from customers). We have a newsworthy story here, but it's all about the phrasing. We can't just say hey, this video game gave me an ending that I didn't like, and we want it fixed, as average joe doesn't care about whether or not you like mass effect 3s ending or not. And since average joe doesn't care, news outlets won't report it. We need to get our own PR machine working (figuratively of course), and display the story differently. Instead of being gamers angry at a failed ending, display it as a group of consumers concerned with accountability of corporations for their products, as that is something average joe can watch/read/ect. Play up the childs play event (which was absolutely genius by the way), and make this a story relateable to even for non gamers, and a cautionary tale to every corporation out there. Make a splash! holding the line on the forums is a valuable service, and is something that needs to be done, but to truly stick it to em, we need to do things outside as well (like the childs play thing), and really get the media's attention, because the more stories produced, the more investors are going to see the problems, and the more likely EA/Bioware is to think that option #1 is more attractive. Thank you for your time, hold the line, we won't let marauder shields sacrifice be in vain!