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Vasparian wrote...
Aligalipe wrote...
Skyline45 wrote...
The gaming media yes, but it we can get enen a tiny segment on something like MSNBC/FOX/ect, then it will have a chain reaction i beleive. As we've seen with forbes, places that don't take money from EA are there, we just have to look outside the gaming community for allies.
CNN
We can send letters to them instead of Bioware.
That guy can't even get his information accurate.
Stanley Woo wrote...
"End of line" predates "hold the line" by approximately 25 years. I have been using it for at least 9 years, since before Mass Effect 1. It is an homage to the Mster Control Program in the 1982 Disny movie "Tron," not a dig at anyone's cause or protest movement. If you believe it is inflammatory, then I would suggest that you're overthinking things and should perhaps learn a little more about me and the movie I am referencing.TurambarEA wrote...
There's no way he picked it absent of thought for our unofficial catch cry 'hold the line'. I thought it was somewhat inflammatory as well (throwing sarcasm at already agitated people is always going to be inflammatory) but yes, agreed, don't rise to it.Volion wrote...
Noatz wrote...
I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.
This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.
Don't rise to it.
"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON.
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".
I don't see how any threads concerning the endings or reactions to them can be considered not to be relevant to the story/campaign but if he's locking that thread for not being story related, then this one is really no different. Any Plan B in the event they start locking our threads?
Threads are locked if they are not story and campaign related. Since we already have a couple of threads discussing the protest movement, new threads discussing only the protest movement or addressing the protest movement will likelt be locked. This is not decret information, and I would have gladly told you all of this had you but asked in a private message. Jumping to conclusions and crafting conspiracy theories based on half-considered circumstantial evidence does none of us--least of all your "cause"--any good.
thank you.
Sashimi_taco wrote...
I really want to know what the PR guy says about the facebook/twitter thing.
Just go through the last 3-4 pages of posts. It should be pretty easy to find. =)Agamemnon2589 wrote...
Can someone explain what "the facebook/twitter thing" was? Sorry, I've been out of the loop for a few days.
Like a red, a green, and a blue crayon?marshkoala wrote...
Oh by the way with the tv series "Jericho" fans sent tons and tons of nuts to the network to show how they felt could we do the same.
Something physical related to the ME3 universe. Just an idea, heard the network thought the fans of Jericho were pretty cute.
marshkoala wrote...
@Padoravv3
Thanks for the insight!
Could you help us by maybe posting a example of an e-mail to a newspaper or online news outlet.
I'm not certain how do even start but I would like to try.
Pandoravv3 wrote...
One bit of perspective from someone in the stock market (disclaimer, I do not deal in stocks for video game companies, but it should all be very similar). They will in fact lose money if they release a new ending. When people invest in a particular stock, they mainly look at 2 things, quarterly profits, and what the buzz about the company is. Right now their quarterlies are looking good as they release ME3 right before the end of Q1 getting great sales numbers for that quarter which looks good to investors (and IMO might be why the ending sucks so much.... they were just too close to the quarters end), and if you look at what you see when you don't look on forums, but rather at what an average investor would look at, you mostly don't see our cause being championed that much. Seriously take a look at google, alot of their money comes not only from sales, but also investors, and to an average investor it does in fact look like a vocal minority if they see it at all. This should change! Right now I'm assuming EA/Bioware is sitting in their lovely bunker, and they are thinking about it, but how they are thinking about it is probably in these terms.
1. If they release a statement saying our bad, we messed up then the news outlets will pick up on it immediately, and it makes EA/Bioware not look as good of an investment, and while the fans are happy, the investors (now that they know the company screwed up) will lose confidence. However, by doing this a new ending is made, and future sales will not go down.
2. Bunker down, ride the storm, and deal with the significantly reduced sales from fan dissatisfaction, which leads to less funding for bioware, and possibly a reduced role for them in EAs roster, however their stock price remains consistent.
Right now they are analyzing which will cost them more money. The thing is they are going to lose money anyway, and they should (they delivered a bad product, that did not meet expectations that the creators themselves created), however we can pick which way they lose it. We love bioware, and know they can make good games, that's why we'd all prefer it if choice #1 happened (also because I want my house with tali). We can have #1, all we need to do is take the choice away from EA/Bioware, spread the message to the media as much as possible, and when the investors start panicking they will move heaven and earth to not lose their second source of money (aka DLC sales from customers). We have a newsworthy story here, but it's all about the phrasing. We can't just say hey, this video game gave me an ending that I didn't like, and we want it fixed, as average joe doesn't care about whether or not you like mass effect 3s ending or not. And since average joe doesn't care, news outlets won't report it. We need to get our own PR machine working (figuratively of course), and display the story differently. Instead of being gamers angry at a failed ending, display it as a group of consumers concerned with accountability of corporations for their products, as that is something average joe can watch/read/ect. Play up the childs play event (which was absolutely genius by the way), and make this a story relateable to even for non gamers, and a cautionary tale to every corporation out there. Make a splash! holding the line on the forums is a valuable service, and is something that needs to be done, but to truly stick it to em, we need to do things outside as well (like the childs play thing), and really get the media's attention, because the more stories produced, the more investors are going to see the problems, and the more likely EA/Bioware is to think that option #1 is more attractive. Thank you for your time, hold the line, we won't let marauder shields sacrifice be in vain!
InsaneNarwhal wrote...
Just go through the last 3-4 pages of posts. It should be pretty easy to find. =)Agamemnon2589 wrote...
Can someone explain what "the facebook/twitter thing" was? Sorry, I've been out of the loop for a few days.
Modifié par Agamemnon2589, 19 mars 2012 - 05:35 .
Great post. I especially like "Instead of being gamers angry at a failed ending, display it as a group of consumers concerned with accountability of corporations for their products, as that is something average joe can watch/read/ect."Pandoravv3 wrote...
One bit of perspective from someone in the stock market (disclaimer, I do not deal in stocks for video game companies, but it should all be very similar). They will in fact lose money if they release a new ending. When people invest in a particular stock, they mainly look at 2 things, quarterly profits, and what the buzz about the company is. Right now their quarterlies are looking good as they release ME3 right before the end of Q1 getting great sales numbers for that quarter which looks good to investors (and IMO might be why the ending sucks so much.... they were just too close to the quarters end), and if you look at what you see when you don't look on forums, but rather at what an average investor would look at, you mostly don't see our cause being championed that much. Seriously take a look at google, alot of their money comes not only from sales, but also investors, and to an average investor it does in fact look like a vocal minority if they see it at all. This should change! Right now I'm assuming EA/Bioware is sitting in their lovely bunker, and they are thinking about it, but how they are thinking about it is probably in these terms.
1. If they release a statement saying our bad, we messed up then the news outlets will pick up on it immediately, and it makes EA/Bioware not look as good of an investment, and while the fans are happy, the investors (now that they know the company screwed up) will lose confidence. However, by doing this a new ending is made, and future sales will not go down.
2. Bunker down, ride the storm, and deal with the significantly reduced sales from fan dissatisfaction, which leads to less funding for bioware, and possibly a reduced role for them in EAs roster, however their stock price remains consistent.
Right now they are analyzing which will cost them more money. The thing is they are going to lose money anyway, and they should (they delivered a bad product, that did not meet expectations that the creators themselves created), however we can pick which way they lose it. We love bioware, and know they can make good games, that's why we'd all prefer it if choice #1 happened (also because I want my house with tali). We can have #1, all we need to do is take the choice away from EA/Bioware, spread the message to the media as much as possible, and when the investors start panicking they will move heaven and earth to not lose their second source of money (aka DLC sales from customers). We have a newsworthy story here, but it's all about the phrasing. We can't just say hey, this video game gave me an ending that I didn't like, and we want it fixed, as average joe doesn't care about whether or not you like mass effect 3s ending or not. And since average joe doesn't care, news outlets won't report it. We need to get our own PR machine working (figuratively of course), and display the story differently. Instead of being gamers angry at a failed ending, display it as a group of consumers concerned with accountability of corporations for their products, as that is something average joe can watch/read/ect. Play up the childs play event (which was absolutely genius by the way), and make this a story relateable to even for non gamers, and a cautionary tale to every corporation out there. Make a splash! holding the line on the forums is a valuable service, and is something that needs to be done, but to truly stick it to em, we need to do things outside as well (like the childs play thing), and really get the media's attention, because the more stories produced, the more investors are going to see the problems, and the more likely EA/Bioware is to think that option #1 is more attractive. Thank you for your time, hold the line, we won't let marauder shields sacrifice be in vain!
Modifié par SkaldFish, 19 mars 2012 - 05:35 .
Agamemnon2589 wrote...
Can someone explain what "the facebook/twitter thing" was? Sorry, I've been out of the loop for a few days.
If they just contain "End of line" they are fine though, right?Stanley Woo wrote...
Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.
Vasparian wrote...
Aligalipe wrote...
Skyline45 wrote...
The gaming media yes, but it we can get enen a tiny segment on something like MSNBC/FOX/ect, then it will have a chain reaction i beleive. As we've seen with forbes, places that don't take money from EA are there, we just have to look outside the gaming community for allies.
CNN
We can send letters to them instead of Bioware.
That guy can't even get his information accurate.
Demon Velsper wrote...
If they just contain "End of line" they are fine though, right?Stanley Woo wrote...
Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.
InsaneNarwhal wrote...
Demon Velsper wrote...
If they just contain "End of line" they are fine though, right?Stanley Woo wrote...
Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.
Now that's not helping anyone at all. Be respectful.
Ah - I see. Thanks for clarifying.Captiosus77 wrote...
SkaldFish wrote...
Do you honestly see them trying to silence those who are vocal about the ending? I don't see it, frankly, and I think it's important to be fair. I understand the suspicion and sense of distrust, but I think an accusation of muzzling just makes us look unreasonable. IMO. FWIW. YMMV.Captiosus77 wrote...
Vasparian wrote...
They are in full cover it up mode. They have no intention of doing anything about the ending, so they are going to cover it up, silece the people that are vocal about this, and try to make it look like there is no problem.
That would work if it were limited only to these boards. Unfortunately for Bioware - and fortunately for us - Pandora's Box is mostly open now. They can't silence everyone, because this topic is all over Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, and as comments to Metacritic and gaming sites and has been picked up by some media outlets such as Forbes and GameFront.
There's no way they can put everything back in the box now and act like it never happened. Even attemping to do so will only harm their reputation further.
That's the point I'm trying to make. The accusation of "silencing critics" holds no merit because if they were going to take that path, they would have done it much, much earlier than now. Now it's too late to even try to do that because if they do as Vasparian suggested, they will only harm their reputation further.
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