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[Zulmoka531]

Heh ME3's price dropped to $39.99(USD) on the Xbox:
http://kotaku.com/58...999-on-xbox-360

[wepeel_]

Razorsteel wrote...

Another article has surfaced: http://arstechnica.c...ues-to-grow.ars

That is actually a rather nice summary of our activities. Better than most new articles about it so far.

[Fulgrim88]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Heh ME3's price dropped to $39.99(USD) on the Xbox:
http://kotaku.com/58...999-on-xbox-360

Geez, that was fast.

I thought they usually keep the price up no matter what, for at least a month or so

[RobinEJ]

@Zulmoka531
Good info!
And bad info - did you see?
https://www.facebook...44005192318904/
@DOWN
We? NEVER!

Modifié par RobinEJ, 19 mars 2012 - 05:44 .

[Emberwake]

I'm glad to see that the movement is still going. Ihave to admit that I was a little worried ghat we'd lose steam over the weekend. We've got international media attention. Keep posting, tell your friends, link to threads like this one often and using the phrase "Mass Effect 3" to keep us visible on Google.

Hold the line.

[SkaldFish]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

Thanks for the reminder, Stanley!
Edited: ...and the patience.

Modifié par SkaldFish, 19 mars 2012 - 05:45 .

[Sypher_KoS]

Stanley Woo wrote...

TurambarEA wrote...

Volion wrote...

Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.

"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON. 
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".

There's no way he picked it absent of thought for our unofficial catch cry 'hold the line'. I thought it was somewhat inflammatory as well (throwing sarcasm at already agitated people is always going to be inflammatory) but yes, agreed, don't rise to it.

I don't see how any threads concerning the endings or reactions to them can be considered not to be relevant to the story/campaign but if he's locking that thread for not being story related, then this one is really no different. Any Plan B in the event they start locking our threads?

"End of line" predates "hold the line"  by approximately 25 years. I have been using it for at least 9 years, since before Mass Effect 1. It is an homage to the Mster Control Program in the 1982 Disny movie "Tron," not a dig at anyone's cause or protest movement. If you believe it is inflammatory, then I would suggest that you're overthinking things and should perhaps learn a little more about me and the movie I am referencing.

Threads are locked if they are not story and campaign related. Since we already have a couple of threads discussing the protest movement, new threads discussing only the protest movement or addressing the protest movement will likelt be locked. This is not decret information, and I would have gladly told you all of this had you but asked in a private message. Jumping to conclusions and crafting conspiracy theories based on half-considered circumstantial evidence does none of us--least of all your "cause"--any good.

thank you.

The way he finger quotes "cause" reminds me of Councilor Sparatus. 

Ah yes, the "retake Movement" a collection of disgruntled Bioware fans allegedly petitioning us to alter our ending.  We have since dismissed that claim.

[Emphyr]

Hello,

May i suggest to Bioware to make this topic a sticky topic ? It seems now that maybe the current strategy is to let this topic go away from the main page . ( i dont know if thats true or not but it could be) If it is so that strategy doesnt work because..

Hold the line.

Besides that if Bioware makes this one sticky they do show some courage!

[wheelierdan]

Captiosus77 wrote...

Thornne wrote...
This is really one of the most fascinating aspects of this debacle, for me.  I think it exposed just how shallow many industry game reviews really are.

In all honesty, I stopped following "game journalists" when they started giving GTA4 10's/100's while downplaying legitimate issues with the game that would have, if it had been any other game, dropped the score down.

Remember years ago when movie studios got busted "creating" reviewers to shill for their movies? They'd create these blurbs and attach them to the advertising for the movie - until it was discovered that they weren't real at all. The state of game journalism is in a much worse place than that. Publications like GameInformer and OXM/OPM (I guess I also have to mention the laughable Best Buy @Gamer) exist by companies who have a direct interest in promoting games: It's their bread-and-butter profits. GameInformer has a vested interest in giving highly anticipated games high scores and then directing people to GameStop to buy them.

So that leaves these internet sites and print publications that are not tied to the industry. Yet they, overwhelmingly, exist on advertisement revenue, and that revenue comes from targeted sources. Since the sites discuss video gaming, the preponderance of advertisements come from publishers and developers of video games. Now these sites are stuck in a situation where their continued existance relies on the good graces of the publishers they're trying to review, because if they are overly negative, advertising dollars dry up and they fizzle out of existance. Back to GTA4 and when I realized how bad it had become: IGN, while simultaneously giving GTA4 a perfect score (even as they pointed out its flaws), had converted their entire background to a GTA4 advertisement.

To complicate these sites further is this (relatively) new "review embargo" system where publishers force reviewers into NDAs or face punishments. This puts reviewers behind the 8-ball because now they can't really discuss the game until a given date (usually the day the game launches; earlier if they curry favor from the publisher), thus forcing them into rushing to meet their deadlines. See the point above: They can't be overly negative or they risk losing future review opportunities and advertising revenue.

"Game journalism", as a whole, is a corrupt mess.

i went through t same process you did, at the same time you did.  There is no such thing as game journalism, there is only tabloid news and game advocacy... unless the game didnt pay for a review through advertising and then they get to keep up the sheen of credibility.  Inever thought id get my gaming news from forbes magazine untill all this. Watching the mass effect reviews versus reality has been just as jarring as GTAIV, well said.

[wepeel_]

If you type "retake" into google here, the first auto-suggestion is nothing less than "retake mass effect".

When googling "mass effect 3", "mass effect 3 ending" comes up as #2, after release date.

Modifié par wepeel_, 19 mars 2012 - 05:47 .

[Ender99]

wepeel_ wrote...

If you type "retake" into google here, the first auto-suggestion is nothing less than "retake mass effect".

That's amazing. I bet Bioware and EA just loves it.

Hold the line!

[Noatz]

RobinEJ wrote...

@Zulmoka531
Good info!
And bad info - did you see?
https://www.facebook...44005192318904/
@DOWN
We? NEVER!

This is what I saw from that facebook group:

> A poll with one (pro ending) option.
> Someone who admitted to never having played the series.

[JustinS1985]

wepeel_ wrote...

If you type "retake" into google here, the first auto-suggestion is nothing less than "retake mass effect".

When googling "mass effect 3", "mass effect 3 ending" comes up as #2, after release date.

The USA today article is also on the front page of google for just searching "mass effect 3"

[Zulmoka531]

RobinEJ wrote...

@Zulmoka531
Good info!
And bad info - did you see?
https://www.facebook...44005192318904/
@DOWN
We? NEVER!

Eh, that group currently has 45 members. While I fully repsect their opinions, and know first hand how fast a movement CAN grow, they are truly the minority right now.

[Emphyr]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

Hello Mr Woo! i wish you strenght and a beautifull day like we have here in the Netherlands.. The Sun is shining, the birds are tweeting and singing, My cats are sleeping in the sun. My bought scale model of the normandy 2 is out of sight because i cant look at it anymore.

Thanks for you'r imput Mr Woo. Higly appreciated!

Many regards.
Nicole Shepard.

Modifié par Emphyr, 19 mars 2012 - 05:49 .

[SilverTheEye]

So. I more won't buy production of the company BioWare until the game ending will be changed. The company BioWare will lose me as the buyer of their production until changes will be made to a game ending.

Vote for it! Extend it!

[SkaldFish]

Sypher_KoS wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

TurambarEA wrote...

Volion wrote...

Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.

"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON. 
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".

There's no way he picked it absent of thought for our unofficial catch cry 'hold the line'. I thought it was somewhat inflammatory as well (throwing sarcasm at already agitated people is always going to be inflammatory) but yes, agreed, don't rise to it.

I don't see how any threads concerning the endings or reactions to them can be considered not to be relevant to the story/campaign but if he's locking that thread for not being story related, then this one is really no different. Any Plan B in the event they start locking our threads?

"End of line" predates "hold the line"  by approximately 25 years. I have been using it for at least 9 years, since before Mass Effect 1. It is an homage to the Mster Control Program in the 1982 Disny movie "Tron," not a dig at anyone's cause or protest movement. If you believe it is inflammatory, then I would suggest that you're overthinking things and should perhaps learn a little more about me and the movie I am referencing.

Threads are locked if they are not story and campaign related. Since we already have a couple of threads discussing the protest movement, new threads discussing only the protest movement or addressing the protest movement will likelt be locked. This is not decret information, and I would have gladly told you all of this had you but asked in a private message. Jumping to conclusions and crafting conspiracy theories based on half-considered circumstantial evidence does none of us--least of all your "cause"--any good.

thank you.

The way he finger quotes "cause" reminds me of Councilor Sparatus. 

Ah yes, the "retake Movement" a collection of disgruntled Bioware fans allegedly petitioning us to alter our ending.  We have since dismissed that claim.

=sigh= ...and thank you for taking the time to explain.
Please everyone. Can we show some courtesy and civility here?

[ShawdowRaptor]

Good stuff, even if I just read China.

[InsaneNarwhal]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

RobinEJ wrote...

@Zulmoka531
Good info!
And bad info - did you see?
https://www.facebook...44005192318904/
@DOWN
We? NEVER!

Eh, that group currently has 45 members. While I fully repsect their opinions, and know first hand how fast a movement CAN grow, they are truly the minority right now.

We don't even want to take that away from them. We just want an optional fix to the ending that disappointed quite a lot of us. 

[Pandoravv3]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Pandoravv3 wrote...

One bit of perspective from someone in the stock market (disclaimer, I do not deal in stocks for video game companies, but it should all be very similar). They will in fact lose money if they release a new ending. When people invest in a particular stock, they mainly look at 2 things, quarterly profits, and what the buzz about the company is. Right now their quarterlies are looking good as they release ME3 right before the end of Q1 getting great sales numbers for that quarter which looks good to investors (and IMO might be why the ending sucks so much.... they were just too close to the quarters end), and if you look at what you see when you don't look on forums, but rather at what an average investor would look at, you mostly don't see our cause being championed that much. Seriously take a look at google, alot of their money comes not only from sales, but also investors, and to an average investor it does in fact look like a vocal minority if they see it at all. This should change! Right now I'm assuming EA/Bioware is sitting in their lovely bunker, and they are thinking about it, but how they are thinking about it is probably in these terms.

1. If they release a statement saying our bad, we messed up then the news outlets will pick up on it immediately, and it makes EA/Bioware not look as good of an investment, and while the fans are happy, the investors (now that they know the company screwed up) will lose confidence. However, by doing this a new ending is made, and future sales will not go down.

2. Bunker down, ride the storm, and deal with the significantly reduced sales from fan dissatisfaction, which leads to less funding for bioware, and possibly a reduced role for them in EAs roster, however their stock price remains consistent.

Right now they are analyzing which will cost them more money. The thing is they are going to lose money anyway, and they should (they delivered a bad product, that did not meet expectations that the creators themselves created), however we can pick which way they lose it. We love bioware, and know they can make good games, that's why we'd all prefer it if choice #1 happened (also because I want my house with tali). We can have #1, all we need to do is take the choice away from EA/Bioware, spread the message to the media as much as possible, and when the investors start panicking they will move heaven and earth to not lose their second source of money (aka DLC sales from customers). We have a newsworthy story here, but it's all about the phrasing. We can't just say hey, this video game gave me an ending that I didn't like, and we want it fixed, as average joe doesn't care about whether or not you like mass effect 3s ending or not. And since average joe doesn't care, news outlets won't report it. We need to get our own PR machine working (figuratively of course), and display the story differently. Instead of being gamers angry at a failed ending, display it as a group of consumers concerned with accountability of corporations for their products, as that is something average joe can watch/read/ect. Play up the childs play event (which was absolutely genius by the way), and make this a story relateable to even for non gamers, and a cautionary tale to every corporation out there. Make a splash! holding the line on the forums is a valuable service, and is something that needs to be done, but to truly stick it to em, we need to do things outside as well (like the childs play thing), and really get the media's attention, because the more stories produced, the more investors are going to see the problems, and the more likely EA/Bioware is to think that option #1 is more attractive. Thank you for your time, hold the line, we won't let marauder shields sacrifice be in vain!

My knowledge of EA's stock situation is pretty old (I did some in depth industry analysis for an Industrial Organization project a few years ago) but wasn't it already pretty dismal because of all the licensing rights they were paying (part of the reason they changed their buisness model somewhat when it came to acquiring studios/IP's). I would imagine that with the huge upfront production costs of video games DLC content plays a huge role in their revenues (as in the 1.99-3.99 packs that amount to a costume change and not much more) and any significant expectation of a decrease in those sales would be a big problem.

EA stock is rising right now following a trend you usually see with it. Right now its hovering around 17$, but with a major release just coming out, I imagine investors are seeing what is up with it before commiting (EAs stock recently went down from around mid 20s due to issues with the SW MMO, so I imagine they are desperatly trying to get it higher) As for their buisness model you are in fact correct, In the end they will lose more money if they do not fix the ending. However the guy deciding if that's true or not is likely an ageing suit who thinks the average age of a gamer is 14, and we all have ADHD. Therefore the hope of them reaching the right conclusion is what is the issue. They are probably seriously underestimating the movement, and by the time they realize it, it might be too late.

[Agamemnon2589]

Yeah, hey, maybe we should stop ragging on Stanley Woo. That seems rather counterproductive.

[The Almighty Ali]

Stanley Woo wrote...

TurambarEA wrote...

Volion wrote...

Noatz wrote...

I like how Stanley Woo is saying "End of Line." whenever he locks a thread.

This could just be an ironic turn of phrase, but it is also possible he is doing it specifically to try and get under people's skin.

Don't rise to it.

"End of Line." The phrase was most famously used by the Master Control Program in TRON. 
It is similar to human phrases like, "End of communication", "That's final", and "That will be all".

There's no way he picked it absent of thought for our unofficial catch cry 'hold the line'. I thought it was somewhat inflammatory as well (throwing sarcasm at already agitated people is always going to be inflammatory) but yes, agreed, don't rise to it.

I don't see how any threads concerning the endings or reactions to them can be considered not to be relevant to the story/campaign but if he's locking that thread for not being story related, then this one is really no different. Any Plan B in the event they start locking our threads?

"End of line" predates "hold the line"  by approximately 25 years. I have been using it for at least 9 years, since before Mass Effect 1. It is an homage to the Mster Control Program in the 1982 Disny movie "Tron," not a dig at anyone's cause or protest movement. If you believe it is inflammatory, then I would suggest that you're overthinking things and should perhaps learn a little more about me and the movie I am referencing.

Threads are locked if they are not story and campaign related. Since we already have a couple of threads discussing the protest movement, new threads discussing only the protest movement or addressing the protest movement will likelt be locked. This is not decret information, and I would have gladly told you all of this had you but asked in a private message. Jumping to conclusions and crafting conspiracy theories based on half-considered circumstantial evidence does none of us--least of all your "cause"--any good.

thank you.

No, thank you for clearing this up for many.

[InsaneNarwhal]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Yeah, hey, maybe we should stop ragging on Stanley Woo. That seems rather counterproductive.

This ^

Even though it has only been like two people. It's very rude. >

[Versus Omnibus]

People have actually started protesting our protest? Why? What have we done to them?

[Aligalipe]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

Hold The Line!
Okay just joking no offence intended:innocent:

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Yeah, hey, maybe we should stop raging on Stanley Woo. That seems rather counterproductive.

 

Yes, It's pointless, raging on him won't bring us anywhere. It just lowers our standing and makes us look like whiners. Besides we don't know he's true position in this, for all we know he could be supporting us secretly?It may not be true, but we know nothing about this.

Modifié par Aligalipe, 19 mars 2012 - 05:57 .