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[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Bioware's response to it's fans so far reminds me of this guy.

"You can't say the game isn't good enough we are artist! Now stop complaing and buy multiplayer DLC!"
If they are not carfull they will find themselves being thrown off the building.  A company like Bioware can't survive with out fans.  One of the biggest games of the year is not supposed to be marked down by a third or half after two weeks.  We will win if we stick together.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Modifié par DoctorCrowtgamer, 19 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[ArmyKnifeX]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...
"You can't say the game isn't good enough we are artist! Now stop complaing and buy multiplayer DLC!"
If they are not carfull they will find themselves being thrown off the building.  A company like Bioware can't survive with out fans.  One of the biggest games of the year is not supposed to be marked down by a third or half after two weeks.  We will win if we stick together.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

They're responding, slowly. Just remember that as much as some people at BW might want to listen to us fans, they still have to vet everything with EA first, so it can be a VERY slow process.

Modifié par ArmyKnifeX, 19 mars 2012 - 07:09 .

[The Almighty Ali]

You're correct mmdestiny, if we see it we'll remind them to be civil and that's it.

[stargatefan1990]

i intend to stay with Retake ME3 until we get a non by the book pr response at least, funny thing is i was planning on buying the from ashes DLC after my first play through and play it on New game+ then import my other shepherds and right before i got hit by Harbinger's Beam i was thinking about how awesome it will be to Replay etc then i saw the Ending of color choice, and i completed it over a week ago After watching such a Ridiculous Ending i have no interest in playing it again lol,

i will hold the line!

Edit: And be polite but to the point while i am doing it 

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 19 mars 2012 - 07:11 .

[sabasebatyne]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

sabasebatyne wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Bioware is going to die someday, because EA's modus operandi is to run their developers into the ground.

EA's MO with other devs. aside, I still think this isn't the right tone to take with our criticism.

It really isn't. Besides I don't think any of us actually WANT to see the high quality BW games to die. If we weren't so invested in seeing this company and their franchises continue we wouldn't be so passionate about the ME3 ending and having it changed.

And I think that's one of the messages we need to get across as strongly as possible. We're doing this out of love - for Mass Effect and for BioWare.

I would like to point out that EA does have a tendency to throw dev studios into the meat grinder, but that's a completely separate issue for the time being.

Correct. Hopefully our love for the series is enough to motivate some action.

[Optimus J]

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

[ReavousX]

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

Source?

[Andsmth85]

I havent played ME3 ( that includes the multiplayer as well ) in a week or so , Now thats REAL protest and i will not play it let alone buy any of the DLCs unless they do something about the endings .
Most people here whine and whine about the endings but as soon as they sign out of these threads they proceed to play the game that doesnt help matters one bit , as someone pointed out earlier they keep track of these things through our Origin accounts , so lets show them we MEAN IT when we say we are giving up on them unless they do something about the endings ,play other games to keep yourself busy if you already arent busy enough .

Anyways fantastic job OP


Hold the Line .

[NOD-INFORMER37]

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

The thing is, the "online tracking" was automatically enabled for most ppl. 

I dont even think ppl knew about the option until Bioware mentioned it lol

[SuperTeal]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

I dont even think ppl knew about the option until Bioware mentioned it lol

How am I not surprised.

[Kabraxal]

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

Not too far of a stretch though actually... it's bad form to simply assume there wasn't interest and they are covering up when it is easy to see people might not have set up their profile to track the data.

[Salyut]

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

Operation Goliath didn't succeed? Could you give a link? I'm interested in seeing what BioWare PR has to say about this (besides the online tracking argument).

[FataliTensei]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

On your last two posts.

Jesus, can you be any more condescending? This is not the kind of way to get back your fans' good side you know...

HOLD.THE.LINE.

Modifié par FataliTensei, 19 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[Beczy]

I really liked this game, the series as a whole.
I tried to avoid this part of the forum as much as I could, not to have my experience influenced by anything but my own perception. And boy was it a great experience. I was in awe at the game, seeing Wrex, Grunt and the others again (except for Jack) and watching their stories unfold was like meeting an old friend on the street and catching up on the good old times before you have to run again.

My jaw dropped to the floor at the way they handled Legion, the Quarians, Thane, Mordin in particular was really well done, and at the other numerous subtle little details that I knew the game was referencing from previous games, the final space battle as all my war assets rushed through the mass relay...

... then the writers/designers/producers came in and farted in my still open mouth as I watched the end.

That's how I felt the ending was.. Not even the "choices" you can make is what really bothers me, but the complete lack of consequence of what I've been doing for the past 2 games, how much war asset I collected, what happened to the crew I assembled with characters from 2 games ago, why isn't my LI interested/concerned about what happened to me etc...

Modifié par Beczy, 19 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[Fallenfromthesky]

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

So did the operation Goliath work or not I don't know as I have been avoiding my copy of Mass Effect 3. Just seems to me that if Goliath did fail then it shows our movement is being hear AND having a noticable effect on the player base. 

[sabasebatyne]

NOD-INFORMER37 wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

The thing is, the "online tracking" was automatically enabled for most ppl. 

I dont even think ppl knew about the option until Bioware mentioned it lol

Yeah, at this point I'm not convinced that the MP boycott is going to show its effects anytime soon, if at all. Rather, I'm more confident that the grassroots (God, I hate that phrase) online and local movements to educate fellow fans and gamers will be more successful in communicating fan goals.

[punkenjunki3]

Evening all,

Great to see the thread still alive. I read another article here which made me slightly annoyed http://www.craveonli...r-mass-effect-3
The article even has a guide on how to be a good consumer for games companies in it, ive tried to post several times but either its poor site design im getting annoyed and pressing something but my post dissapears half way through writing it. SO i gave up and brought it here.

Anyways the interesting thing is, as i was writing something occured to me: 

Im not angry at Bioware in so much as I am dissapointed, im hoping they will come good and give the series a fitting end theres more i know but ive already said it on here so to save repetition i wont go into it again.

But the real issue is with me now though, and one thing i will always remember this for irrespective of what happens is the total negative press we have had. Its occured to me that games journalists are so far away from the actual thoughts, feeling and perspective of average gamers that reviewing games has now become a tick-box affair. 

"Does the game have multiplayer? *Tick* Does the game have eye candy? *Tick* Is there DLC ? *tick*" 

and so on, those are only a few things but i think you can get what i mean. The reviewing of games is becomming as cold and impersonal as the companies who are lookign to turn games into a series of microtransactions to milk even more off consumers. The article says it will be "a sad day if bioware changes the game" I disagree, i think that if Bioware changes its going to be the first in a while the games industry has listened and will have realises that they cannot get away with anything they please.....and buck this trend we are seeing of games becomming not about the enjoyment of playing but of the formulaic trend of games reducing in content and quality and being expected to pay more through DLC.

Whatever happens, its my opinion that the outcome of this movement and biowares actions will be remembered as the time the gamers rejected the games journalists. At least I hope so. Because from now on im not trusting any of them nor buying any publications for games reviews.

Hold the line.

TL:DR - Still dissapointed but im more angry at the games journalists. Screw em.

[ReavousX]

FataliTensei wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.

On your last two posts.

Throwing a hissy fit are we? Jesus, can you be any more condescending? This is not the kind of way to get back your fans' good side you know...

HOLD.THE.LINE.

Dude, knock it off.  Stanley was right in telling people to keep to discussions, rather than spamming the mantra.  

Insulting mods is a surefire way to sink this thread, don't do it.

[HALO_Project]

I agree with the point of this. I am also pleased at how civil most of us are being about this issue. I was utterly disappointed. Heartsick. I had a male Shepard and a female Shepard that I'd set up and was going to go through it all with my very first character to see how it all played out. Then I had intended to play her again from ME1 straight into ME3 after I'd played my male Shep of course. And this was only the start, I'd had several others under way.

Now I can't. The thought of the bleak and pointless ending just makes me heartsick, to such an extent that I can't do it. I can not bring myself to go through it again, not knowing how it all ends. And I'm not buying any DLC for the game that doesn't involve fixing this ending. Not necessarily because I want to hurt Bioware/EA but because I have no desire to be hurt by them again. The story up to the end was EPIC. The ending was a crushing blow and a complete contradiction to what Mr. Hudson said in January about not having A, B and C endings. That is exactly what we got. But I don't feel the need to attack him or them over this, I just plead with them to do something.

I, and so many, have been so loyal up to this and if they can fix this then I will stand with them again. I will buy their DLC even though I never cared for the idea of DLC. I'll buy their future games, especially their ME franchise based products. But only if they care about me, the fan, as much as I cared, nay care, about them the company that created the greatest story I've ever had the privilege of being a part of. That's what really hurt, not just the ending, but what it represented. It was a slap in the face, a cold betrayal and I feel so utterly let down.

But, I guess I'm either a glutton for punishment or an eternal optimist after all, I keep hoping that this isn't it, that this is all a marketing scheme and they are biding their time to see what happens and to determine when to make their move. Bioware/EA please don't let me (us) down again. I can't take it and I'm not going to stick with a company that no longer cares about it's fans. I've been a fan for years, I used to buy games just because Bioware made them. I don't want it to end this way.

I'm holding out hope and Holding the Line.

Modifié par HALO_Project, 19 mars 2012 - 08:04 .

[Enichan]

Goliath failing is kind of sad to me, if true. I'm sure a lot of the employees working on it are probably just as emotionally invested as we are. And the only reason we're at odds is because the ending is so absurdly bad.

Would've liked to have liked to have played during Goliath, if you know what I mean.

[Leland Gaunt]

byzantine horse wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@Leland Gaunt
Great post!

Someone else posted on either Sat. or Sun. that they returned their game to Best Buy for a refund and the salesperson asked "was it because you didn't like it" or "because you're protesting" (something like that).
I thought that was very interesting that Best Buy was interested in the reasons.

Anyone else?

On those grounds, was the return successful? Just curious (I won't return the game myself or anything) as I have an incredibly hard time seeing a game (or other media, like books or movies) be turned in for 100% of what you paid for it just because you didn't like it. If the product doesn't work - then absolutely, 100% refund - but else the only "way out" so to speak I can see is to sell it back for less than you paid for it. And if there is one thing you can say in ME3's favour is that the product does work.

Sorry for the late response, but this is one of the fastest growing threads I've ever seen
I myself did not return the copy of my game (bought CE from a different store) and I will hold on to it, even if I'm not going to play for some time. I believe that it's certainly possible that something will happen given enough time. But my roommate did return his copy. I asked him about that and he told me, that he had no problems returning it and getting his money back. Apparently the owner of the store is a disappointed Bioware fan too and thanks to his own disappointment with the ending he set up the possibility for others to return the game. Don't know how many people actually made use of this possibility but it seemed that my roommate wasn't the only one. I think it's mainly due to the owner being a ME fan himself that the possibility exists.
As I wrote before even if it doesn't have a great impact it's at least a statement and it's motivating to see that someone who makes a living on selling games actually lives for games and instates such a incredible customer friendly policy. I believe that Bioware is capable of that to (they have been in the past regarding Garrus + Tali for LI for example) so I really think that they want to listen to their fans and will try to please them. Everything else would be just shooting themselves in the legs and that is something nobody wants. At least not me because I still believe that Bioware is one of the most agreeable developers when it comes to its customers and loyal fan base.

So, keep holding the line, people!

[Bachuck]

mmdestiny wrote...

Salyut wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Just a small FYI, I recieved a PM from a member with a link to youtube.
It was a link to a song entitled "Bioware you're gonna die some day"
This is counter productive and if possible I'd like those that agree that using a death threat is not something we should use nor encourage and remind them of this.

Granted it's a result of anger but I don't see any constructive coming from it.

I agree. Death threats are never okay. If it's supposed to be a joke, it's a very tasteless one.

I've said it before when it came up with that thread last night about what happened last night with that Twitter/Facebook message, and I'll say it again now.  Do not even draw attention to things like that.  Yes, they're very counterproductive to the Movement.  Yes, in some ways, we do need to ensure that it is known we have no affilations with BS like that.  

But I'd also be concerned about haphazardly bringing it up in discussion too, because before you know it, discussion gets derailed, organization suffers, and we have people ranting about how terrible human nature can be, and the only thing an outsider who HAD been curious about the Movement will see is a wave of text about very negative things that don't even define US.

THIS +1000.

It would be in the movements best interests to keep this thread POSITIVE and ON-TOPIC. There will always be people whose actions bring negative attention to the cause, but refrain from giving them more publicity. It happens all the time in every group of every industry. We can't control their actions but we can control ours.

Stay positive; stay on topic and don't get distracted. Keep analyzing EA/Bioware's moves.

Back on topic - has anyone noticed that the gaming media has backed off just a wee bit? From what I've read it seems the infamous IGN video has been taken down and some of the immediate snarky reactions from sites like Gameinformer, Kotaku and such have backed off a bit.

It seems they've come to realize this movement is not comprised of whiny, entitled gamers, but consumers who have a valid complaint and will hold the company accountable for its actions.

What do you all think of that?

[Utopianus]

Deflagratio wrote...

I consider it a violation of the Artistic Integrity of Mass Effect if they create a new ending just because the consumer demands it.

It doesn't matter what combinations of reasons it is, if they want to make a new ending, because they feel the fans are right, and Mass Effect deserves better, then it's fine.

I guess, in easier words, you can't force someone to make new art. You can say "This sucks" and then inspire them to revise it, but you can't force it.

I agree, however I believe this movement has the potential to make BioWare think more carefully when they embark on an endeavour similar to that of Mass Effect in the future, and that is not get caught up in their own hype and make a last-minute mistake of artistic overreach to tarnish what had been hitherto an excellent piece of art. Kind of like that mason doing the last touch-up in the Disney movie Aladdin, whereby Aladdin's fly-by caused him to accidentally chip off the nose of the sphinx.

[Optimus J]

ReavousX wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".

Source?

Are you out of your mind? BSN is the source. Go check it out instead of making the most basic and thoughless trolling possible. Multiplayer Board.

And Red Forman said you're something.

[LinksOcarina]

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Salyut wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Just a small FYI, I recieved a PM from a member with a link to youtube.
It was a link to a song entitled "Bioware you're gonna die some day"
This is counter productive and if possible I'd like those that agree that using a death threat is not something we should use nor encourage and remind them of this.

Granted it's a result of anger but I don't see any constructive coming from it.

I agree. Death threats are never okay. If it's supposed to be a joke, it's a very tasteless one.

Death threats are punishable by jail sentence of atleast 2-5 years depending on how serious it was meant.

Bioware is going to die someday, because EA's modus operandi is to run their developers into the ground.

Uh...they don't do that anymore.

They merged three companies into BioWare over the past three years, and have pretty much made it their RPG/RTS wing of the company. It also helps that Dr. Ray Mayzuka is now a member of the board of EA Games, which also houses Danger Close, Visceral Studios, Criteron Games, EA Black Box, and DICE. 

These are the guys making RPGs, RTSs, Racing, Shooters and Action titles. They have EA Play, the casual market stuff, and EA Sports, seperate. 

Honestly, EA has a very respectable corporate structure, it gives quasi-autonomy to their studios without bleeding them into one another too much. Of course when a studio grows like BioWare, which merged with Mythic and Victory Games, it may not look good from afar, but consider this; Victory was launched to work on the Command and Conquer liscence in 2010, so it made more sense to give them higher name recognition. It showed confidence in BioWares abilities with the game, even though its their first foray outside of an RPG since MDK 2. 
 
This is a better structure for a large-scale company in many pockets. This is a better model than say, Activision, which has over a dozen different studios under its helm and pretty much orders them to make something that may or may not be within the confines of their respected talents. For example, Neversoft moved from making the Tony Hawk games to Guitar Hero in 2007 after Harmonix signed a deal with EA. And they held that jointly with Vicarious Visions who developed games for three different systems simultaneously for them. If anything, Activision is more akin to what EA did, only without good structure or competant development teams behind it. 

So I wouldn't knock the corporate structure much.

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 19 mars 2012 - 07:23 .