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#5276
Fulgrim88

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Enichan wrote...

Goliath failing is kind of sad to me, if true. I'm sure a lot of the employees working on it are probably just as emotionally invested as we are. And the only reason we're at odds is because the ending is so absurdly bad.

Would've liked to have liked to have played during Goliath, if you know what I mean.

Yup. A lot of collateral damage in this :(

But it can't be helped.
There's just no other way to make them listen.

And I think that while people working on Goliath might be pissed, they won't loose their job about it.
The people in charge should be well aware who's to blame for all the fuss, by now.
So it won't really  hurt those standing at the sidelines

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 19 mars 2012 - 07:24 .


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Optimus J wrote...

Are you out of your mind? BSN is the source. Go check it out instead of making the most basic and thoughless trolling possible. Multiplayer Board.

And Red Forman said you're something.


That is uncalled for. He was just requesting a link. If you haven't one, a simple "check out the MP boards" would've sufficed.

Everyone, please keep it civil. Don't get derailed.

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Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".


So did the operation Goliath work or not I don't know as I have been avoiding my copy of Mass Effect 3. Just seems to me that if Goliath did fail then it shows our movement is being hear AND having a noticable effect on the player base. 


Well if that is true it may  explain why they seemed so paniced last night and early today.  They can't even tell EA and their stockholders that multiplayer is populare.

One thing I am surprised is not being talked about more is the deal Bioware made to get a Mass effect movie made.  It seems to me if this drags on the studio may become a behind the scenes player that could put presure on Bioware.  After all they want to be sure that the Mass effect brand will still have a fan base in three to five years time when they release the movie.  If I were them I would not be happy with someone doing everything they can to destroy loyalty to a brand I had just paid millions for.

We just have to stick togher and we will win.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

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FataliTensei wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Please note that posts which contain nothing but "Hold the line" type sentiments will be considered a violation of Rules #5 and #6 of our Site Rules.. We are still a discussion forum, thank you.


On your last two posts.

Jesus, can you be any more condescending? This is not the kind of way to get back your fans' good side you know...

HOLD.THE.LINE.


~laughs~ So much for Public Relations on their part. All we really want is an official statement from them. A we've been waiting, and waiting, and waiting.........

Modifié par lanep25, 19 mars 2012 - 07:27 .


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Just a little post to show my support/give notice of my frustration towards Biowares silence and PR tactics.

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Bachuck wrote...


Back on topic - has anyone noticed that the gaming media has backed off just a wee bit? From what I've read it seems the infamous IGN video has been taken down and some of the immediate snarky reactions from sites like Gameinformer, Kotaku and such have backed off a bit.

It seems they've come to realize this movement is not comprised of whiny, entitled gamers, but consumers who have a valid complaint and will hold the company accountable for its actions.

What do you all think of that?



Actually, at least from what I've seen on the GI forums, the editors and contributors are pretty much keeping up the "We all love the endings, what's wrong with you people" line. The snark in actual stories is gradually starting to abate, however.

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ArmyKnifeX wrote...

sabasebatyne wrote...

cApAc aMaRu wrote...

Bioware is going to die someday, because EA's modus operandi is to run their developers into the ground.



EA's MO with other devs. aside, I still think this isn't the right tone to take with our criticism.


It really isn't. Besides I don't think any of us actually WANT to see the high quality BW games to die. If we weren't so invested in seeing this company and their franchises continue we wouldn't be so passionate about the ME3 ending and having it changed.

And I think that's one of the messages we need to get across as strongly as possible. We're doing this out of love - for Mass Effect and for BioWare.

I would like to point out that EA does have a tendency to throw dev studios into the meat grinder, but that's a completely separate issue for the time being.


I don't want it to happen either. I just can't help thinking about Bioware in the past tense.

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Optimus J wrote...

ReavousX wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".


Source?

Are you out of your mind? BSN is the source. Go check it out instead of making the most basic and thoughless trolling possible. Multiplayer Board.

And Red Forman said you're something.


Really?  I do not see any posts relating to the data transmision stuff, I see no bioware posts regarding the brute kill count etc. Fact is plenty of people did not read the Opening posts completely or missed out the line that says the rewards come tomorrow. With the exception of the brute kill count, which will be announced today.

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Optimus J wrote...

ReavousX wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

So, Operation Goliath apparently didn't come with the results they were expecting, and people are already pissed off with the preventive excuse that it wasn't a success because people forgot to turn on the on-line tracking.

See what they did there? They can deny people's lack of interest and blame the players on not sending the proper data on the otherwise HUGE success of that "goliath something".


Source?

Are you out of your mind? BSN is the source. Go check it out instead of making the most basic and thoughless trolling possible. Multiplayer Board.

And Red Forman said you're something.


Woah, cool your jets buddy.  I'm not trolling, I just wanted a source (because I didn't see any updates on Multiplayer Board) and guess what...other people did too!  No need to be so antagonistic.

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Whatever happened to this?

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I saw this on the Demand a Better Ending Facebook group. Someone named Marauder Shields posted it. Really no way to prove it's true but I thought it was worth posting here.

"ME3 fans please read: So I just made this Facebook name to post this
because I was afraid if I used my BSN/Origin name to post it on the
forums I'd get banned from all my games. If someone here posts on the
Bioware forums, please post this over there.

I have a close friend who works not with Bioware but with a third party that helps with
their public relations/fan community management. This friend
told me that they are being instructed to pose as fans on the Bioware
forums saying that they love the ending, love the game and don't want
anything changed etc. Obviously, the intent is to drown out the
negativity from most of us who actually hated the endings.

I can't confirm/prove any of this obviously since I've sworn not to reveal
anything further about it since this friend would rather not lose
his/her job. Hearing this just really ticked me off, and I had to tell
people."

Seems unlikely...but who really knows at this point?

Was the thread locked or something?

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http://ps3.ign.com/a.../1221081p1.html

*Sprays self for reading an IGN article*

A friend of mine just showed me this. Still no plans to change ending but they haven't ruled it out yet!! Keep holding the line men!!

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punkenjunki3 wrote...

Whatever happens, its my opinion that the outcome of this movement and biowares actions will be remembered as the time the gamers rejected the games journalists. At least I hope so. Because from now on im not trusting any of them nor buying any publications for games reviews.

Hold the line.

TL:DR - Still dissapointed but im more angry at the games journalists. Screw em.


^^This

I think this whole episode took the blinders off of a lot of people regarding the supposed objectivity of the professional gaming press.  I know it did for me.  To paraphrase the California Lit Review review, we're not necessarily seeing  a conspiracy at work, but sheet incompetence on the behalf of the professional gaming press.

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Bachuck wrote...

Back on topic - has anyone noticed that the gaming media has backed off just a wee bit? From what I've read it seems the infamous IGN video has been taken down and some of the immediate snarky reactions from sites like Gameinformer, Kotaku and such have backed off a bit.

It seems they've come to realize this movement is not comprised of whiny, entitled gamers, but consumers who have a valid complaint and will hold the company accountable for its actions.

What do you all think of that?


I've noticed that too. It doesn't help them that non-gaming media like CNN have reported on the matter in a neutral tone. I've also noticed that a lot of comments on their articles have disagreed with their dismissal of this movement or told them they disliked the ending as well.

Part of me is hoping the gaming media is starting to think supporting BioWare in this may not be in their best interest, meaning that they might believe we have a chance of succeeding.

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Syrellaris wrote...

1 serious question, what if bioware comes up with a big DLC expansion next month or perhaps a small post saying that the Indoctrination is what really happened and that thus the story aint finished yet. (Regardless, the indoctrination theory seems to be real, there is simply to much evidence and facts stating that it is true)

How will you all feel?


Bear with an impossibly nerdy analogy for a while. 

Take the franchise as a function of the number of possible, plausible outcomes over time, i.e. y = |Possibilities|, x = t, with the slope of the curve representing how believable a narrowing or broadening of possibilities is, i.e. dy/dx increases with how "unbelievable" a shift is. 

Then for the most part, we follow a slow, steady increase through the game from a single defeat outcome when nothing is known of our opposition to a collecton including some hopeful outcomes to one including even the prospect of outright victory, even if at heavy cost. There are some abrupt jumps and drops, like Project Lazarus allowing the progression of ME2 or the inability to consult the council w.r.t the Rachni in ME1, but for the most part, each time an opportunity is closed or opened to us, it, I dunno, "flows right".

So at the end of our journey, with a global maximum of |possibilities| open to us, comes the Star Child, and our collection of endings is reduced in a catacylsmic drop to a singleton through Shepard's railroaded acceptance of SC's logic. This drop, and the restriction of choice it represents, is almost impossible to believe given the nature of the curve up til this point. Furthermore, this singleton possibility does not exactly open itself to "speculation for everyone" that leads anywhere but a charlie-foxtrotted galaxy. Abstracting the idea of |possibilities| to soem measure of hope, one can see why this would be disappointing.

Now, assume Shepard was indoctrinated. Heck, assume further that he was indoctrianted and there's no further content. Such an ending still leaves a larger number of possibilities and avenues for "lots of speculation for everyone" than the current ending. The fleets might still be successful to some extent, whether by retreating and evading the reaper's notice long enough to pass their knowledge onto the next cycle like the Protheans before tem or byachieving a terribly Pyrrhic victory or by weakening the Reaper forces so their successors have an easier time of it. More improtantly, some of these lines of tought even leave a modicum of hope.

It's like the concept of potential energy. An indoctrinated Shep is a rock at 10 meters above ground. The current ending is the same rock at one meter. "Speculation for everyone" is work. Which of the two former allows for more of the latter?

TL;DR: Yes, I'd be more satisfied with the game if it ended with indoctrination and nothing further than if it remains as is. That said, I'd still not be terribly satisfied.  

Modifié par Jamesui, 19 mars 2012 - 07:33 .


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this whole situation feels like a bad break up, where you get cheated on or something, and you feel all sortos of loss, confusion and depression. The most important thing you want to hear is an admission. Until then you ask yourself, "is there something wrong with me? do I not get it?"

They could do that without making any dlc. today, if they wanted.

id settle for a round table of writers to explain the ending with a straight face. not themes or the goals but literally how it is possible in the universe they created.

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Small reminder:
The wheels are spinning so fast here at the moment.

* Remember to be civil towards Bioware as a company and EA as well. Constructive critisism is the best one.
* DON'T send e-mails with threatening or abusive content to individuals within the companies we are trying to reach, these are people like you and me behind every moderator post and every twitter out there, For them to be loyal towards BW in this is natural and understandable considering their emplyment contracts etc.
* If you feel very angry take a deep breath and take some time off from this, you are an asset with a clear head.
* Keep the forums as clean as possible from posts that could go aginst the forum rules to avoid threads being shut down.

Have I forgotten anything? Please add to the content above.

Wearyanna out Image IPB

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Why would EA/Bioware release their event stats unless it was to pat themselves on the back? That is like shooting themselves in the foot. I dunno..............

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They just rolled out what I would define as the first distinct "Olive Branch" to get more sales on Origin.
Buy ME3 and get Batman Arkham City for $10.

Hold The Line.

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Goroxx wrote...

punkenjunki3 wrote...

Whatever happens, its my opinion that the outcome of this movement and biowares actions will be remembered as the time the gamers rejected the games journalists. At least I hope so. Because from now on im not trusting any of them nor buying any publications for games reviews.

Hold the line.

TL:DR - Still dissapointed but im more angry at the games journalists. Screw em.


^^This

I think this whole episode took the blinders off of a lot of people regarding the supposed objectivity of the professional gaming press.  I know it did for me.  To paraphrase the California Lit Review review, we're not necessarily seeing  a conspiracy at work, but sheet incompetence on the behalf of the professional gaming press.


They don't want to kick those ad dollars and free bennies to the wind. They are protecting their interest too.

Remember what happened during the Kane and Lynch debacle at Gamespot?

Modifié par Razorsteel, 19 mars 2012 - 07:31 .


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jellobell wrote...

Whatever happened to this?

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I saw this on the Demand a Better Ending Facebook group. Someone named Marauder Shields posted it. Really no way to prove it's true but I thought it was worth posting here.

"ME3 fans please read: So I just made this Facebook name to post this
because I was afraid if I used my BSN/Origin name to post it on the
forums I'd get banned from all my games. If someone here posts on the
Bioware forums, please post this over there.

I have a close friend who works not with Bioware but with a third party that helps with
their public relations/fan community management. This friend
told me that they are being instructed to pose as fans on the Bioware
forums saying that they love the ending, love the game and don't want
anything changed etc. Obviously, the intent is to drown out the
negativity from most of us who actually hated the endings.

I can't confirm/prove any of this obviously since I've sworn not to reveal
anything further about it since this friend would rather not lose
his/her job. Hearing this just really ticked me off, and I had to tell
people."

Seems unlikely...but who really knows at this point?

Was the thread locked or something?

Tbh, that sounds like bull to me.

There are bound to be some  people who genuinely like the ending. Opinions differ, after all.

The response is already incredibly one sided. I've never seen any community >90% agreeing on anything before.
To say that even the remaining few % are actually all PR sleeper agents is pretty over the top

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 19 mars 2012 - 07:33 .


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jellobell wrote...

Whatever happened to this?

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I saw this on the Demand a Better Ending Facebook group. Someone named Marauder Shields posted it. Really no way to prove it's true but I thought it was worth posting here.

"ME3 fans please read: So I just made this Facebook name to post this
because I was afraid if I used my BSN/Origin name to post it on the
forums I'd get banned from all my games. If someone here posts on the
Bioware forums, please post this over there.

I have a close friend who works not with Bioware but with a third party that helps with
their public relations/fan community management. This friend
told me that they are being instructed to pose as fans on the Bioware
forums saying that they love the ending, love the game and don't want
anything changed etc. Obviously, the intent is to drown out the
negativity from most of us who actually hated the endings.

I can't confirm/prove any of this obviously since I've sworn not to reveal
anything further about it since this friend would rather not lose
his/her job. Hearing this just really ticked me off, and I had to tell
people."

Seems unlikely...but who really knows at this point?

Was the thread locked or something?



Are some of the "fans" that love the ending "shills"? Could be. However, I'm sure there are many who actually do love the endings, and that's their right, I guess. :sick:

Still, it doesn't really matter either way. The fan response should keep up the pressure while remaining pleasant, articulate, and civil.

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Wearyanna wrote...

Small reminder:
The wheels are spinning so fast here at the moment.

* Remember to be civil towards Bioware as a company and EA as well. Constructive critisism is the best one.
* DON'T send e-mails with threatening or abusive content to individuals within the companies we are trying to reach, these are people like you and me behind every moderator post and every twitter out there, For them to be loyal towards BW in this is natural and understandable considering their emplyment contracts etc.
* If you feel very angry take a deep breath and take some time off from this, you are an asset with a clear head.
* Keep the forums as clean as possible from posts that could go aginst the forum rules to avoid threads being shut down.

Have I forgotten anything? Please add to the content above.

Wearyanna out Image IPB

If you don't have anything constructive to add to a person's post--just ignore it.  That prevents flame wars and such from ever starting. Better to ignore someone than bring attention anyway. IMO

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jellobell wrote...

Whatever happened to this?

WildcardCharlie wrote...

I saw this on the Demand a Better Ending Facebook group. Someone named Marauder Shields posted it. Really no way to prove it's true but I thought it was worth posting here.

"ME3 fans please read: So I just made this Facebook name to post this
because I was afraid if I used my BSN/Origin name to post it on the
forums I'd get banned from all my games. If someone here posts on the
Bioware forums, please post this over there.

I have a close friend who works not with Bioware but with a third party that helps with
their public relations/fan community management. This friend
told me that they are being instructed to pose as fans on the Bioware
forums saying that they love the ending, love the game and don't want
anything changed etc. Obviously, the intent is to drown out the
negativity from most of us who actually hated the endings.

I can't confirm/prove any of this obviously since I've sworn not to reveal
anything further about it since this friend would rather not lose
his/her job. Hearing this just really ticked me off, and I had to tell
people."

Seems unlikely...but who really knows at this point?

Was the thread locked or something?


That's SOP these days.  It can't hurt us really.  Our message is getting out and even if they get rid of all of our posts we can move to facebook and there is no reason why we have to buy their stuff just because they get ridd of us.  Look this means we are winning,they can't hold out forever.  If we were having no effect on them they wouldn't be bothering with this. Things like this cost them money to do so they must be worried.  Just remain calm and remember we have to be in this for the long haul,don't give up and we will win.

Hold the line for as long as it takes.

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Razorsteel wrote...

Goroxx wrote...

punkenjunki3 wrote...

Whatever happens, its my opinion that the outcome of this movement and biowares actions will be remembered as the time the gamers rejected the games journalists. At least I hope so. Because from now on im not trusting any of them nor buying any publications for games reviews.

Hold the line.

TL:DR - Still dissapointed but im more angry at the games journalists. Screw em.


^^This

I think this whole episode took the blinders off of a lot of people regarding the supposed objectivity of the professional gaming press.  I know it did for me.  To paraphrase the California Lit Review review, we're not necessarily seeing  a conspiracy at work, but sheet incompetence on the behalf of the professional gaming press.


They don't want to kick those ad dollars and free bennies to the wind. They are protecting their interest too.

Remember what happened during the Kane and Lynch debacle at Gamespot?


Ouch, I do remember that.... poor guy.... All the more reason to get non-gaming new sources to pick this up more.

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Bachuck wrote...

Back on topic - has anyone noticed that the gaming media has backed off just a wee bit? From what I've read it seems the infamous IGN video has been taken down and some of the immediate snarky reactions from sites like Gameinformer, Kotaku and such have backed off a bit.

It seems they've come to realize this movement is not comprised of whiny, entitled gamers, but consumers who have a valid complaint and will hold the company accountable for its actions.

What do you all think of that?


I've noticed that over the weekend as agthunter predicted the press on the Retake ME3 issue has died down significantly. However, in the top 5 google search results for "mass effect 3" you still get articles about the issue pertaining to the fan whom filed the FTC complain. Weather good or bad, the point is the press is still there.