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[Damate]

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

It's quite easy for people to associate anyone who doesn't like the ending with the cause.

Example: The idiotic FTC guy.

The fan who filed a complaint with the FTC had every right to do so. Its rude to say that the guy is idiotic because he felt the best way for his voice to be heard was to file an online complaint with the FTC. While we may not all agree with how someone else chooses to voice his or her opinions of the ending, its never good to ridicule them on how they choose to take a stand. Some of the press has even gone as far as to berate that fan for his actions; which doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Please remember people, be civil be polite and hold the line. We wont get very far otherwise.

Agreed. One of the worst things we could do is start in-fighting. Civility and calm rationale all around is key, whatever our differences and disagreements may be.

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

BensterMan wrote...

What the hell, anyone noticed the 50 percent off ALL ITEMS on the origin store?.

Do you think this is a result of the backlash?

Yes, people noticed that a week ago when they discovered that the sales of ME3 were going to hell, and administrative folks did such a maneuver to save the day, by creating faux good sales reports, to appease the shareholders.

Thing is for how long they will be supportive on this whole "THE GAME IS MINE, I END AS I WANT" situation.

Because I'm starting to think that Bioware is stalling EA board as much as they are stalling us.

Except for the fact you are wrong and this is a simple Spring sale...

That's your theory as much as it is theirs.

[pavi132]

Stanley Woo wrote...


"End of line" predates "hold the line"  by approximately 25 years. I have been using it for at least 9 years, since before Mass Effect 1. It is an homage to the Mster Control Program in the 1982 Disny movie "Tron," not a dig at anyone's cause or protest movement. If you believe it is inflammatory, then I would suggest that you're overthinking things and should perhaps learn a little more about me and the movie I am referencing.

Threads are locked if they are not story and campaign related. Since we already have a couple of threads discussing the protest movement, new threads discussing only the protest movement or addressing the protest movement will likelt be locked. This is not decret information, and I would have gladly told you all of this had you but asked in a private message. Jumping to conclusions and crafting conspiracy theories based on half-considered circumstantial evidence does none of us--least of all your "cause"--any good.

thank you.

And thank you for the condescension about this "cause" as you say! It's much appreciated!

[Versus Omnibus]

Optimus J wrote...

BensterMan wrote...

What the hell, anyone noticed the 50 percent off ALL ITEMS on the origin store?.

Do you think this is a result of the backlash?

Yes, people noticed that a week ago when they discovered that the sales of ME3 were going to hell, and administrative folks did such a maneuver to save the day, by creating faux good sales reports, to appease the shareholders.

Thing is for how long they will be supportive on this whole "THE GAME IS MINE, I END AS I WANT" situation.

Because I'm starting to think that Bioware is stalling EA board as much as they are stalling us.

And the only support Bioware/EA seem to be getting is from people who are acting more childish then a lot of us are. I still can't believe one person compared us to terrorists.

[Samuel_Valkyrie]

Syrellaris wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

BensterMan wrote...

What the hell, anyone noticed the 50 percent off ALL ITEMS on the origin store?.

Do you think this is a result of the backlash?

Yes, people noticed that a week ago when they discovered that the sales of ME3 were going to hell, and administrative folks did such a maneuver to save the day, by creating faux good sales reports, to appease the shareholders.

Thing is for how long they will be supportive on this whole "THE GAME IS MINE, I END AS I WANT" situation.

Because I'm starting to think that Bioware is stalling EA board as much as they are stalling us.

Except for the fact you are wrong and this is a simple Spring sale...

Either way is speculating, so this discussion has no further point.

[JaylaClark]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Thing is, with all our theories, there is a lot of mights. Fact is, nothing has been confirmed for a fix for the ending, and until that happens we will have to stay and hold the line.

Exactly. They're still evaluating a lot of data and trying to keep up with the forums. 

Also I'd like to point out that there WERE some blatant marketing lies about the ending, which is part of why so many people are as upset as they are.

Some of the marketing hyperbole was so out there I skipped it, but the implication to my eyes was that there was a clear indication that you could get a Golden ending if you worked hard. Instead you have to work insanely hard to get anything resembling a good ending, and as I'm harping on, Clarity. Closure. Catharsis. We got none of this. Until we've gotten confirmation that we do get this, we do have to hold the line.

I'm trying to find a source on sales data, but there's indicators out there that sales are dropping already. Not Lady GaGa level drops (I love her dearly but Born this Way is a good example, so I'll use it anyway) but significant nonetheless. Hopefully someone catches the fact that we're not as small a minority as they think. But this could be a long one nonetheless... how long did it take Liarasexuals like myself to get LotSB? And Kai and Ash romancers didn't even get that. (And three convos in the middle of ME3 act like we didn't even DO that DLC, but most of them seem to transfer decently. /aside) I hope we're up for it. I know I am.

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

I don't think my local gamestore would like me to run in at 21:51 right now also I was talking about the price of Batman, not ME

It's 3:50 pm here. Anyways.

The fact they are throwing in a discout on another game already just to sell ME3 new is great justification for their thoughts.

So ya, I don' think they are grasping at loose ends.

Well considering this is a spring sale (the big banner says so even ) and combinging games with other games or strategy guides aint an uncommon practice during season sales (my local gamestore combined Gears of War 3 and the guide for 10 bucks total during the winter season for example)

It is only logical they link 2 very popular games together in a sale. Specially if one of them is going to drop in price after the season again

That may also be true. My point is that they have as much evidence as you do to support their claims. That you say they are "grasping at straws" is somewhat belittling.

[Zero.Gee]

shygravel wrote...

Agreed. One of the worst things we could do is start in-fighting. Civility and calm rationale all around is key, whatever our differences and disagreements may be.

Exactly my point.

[ahandsomeshark]

Vovea wrote...

My local independent game shop has pre-owned copies of ME3 for £15 already. I could hardly believe it. I mean yeah, the codes are used up but its still its less than half price within two weeks.

Yeah when Arkham City and Skyrim came out I couldn't find used versions for less than 55 bucks even 2 months afterwards. ME3 is already down to 45 bucks used at my local gamestop. 

[shephard987]

Hey guys, just checking in on the status of the donation website.
What's the deal? Still maintenance?

Hold the Line

[Salyut]

BostonVamp wrote...

Suggestion: I've seen some great comments on articles that have misquoted or misunderstood the Take Back ME movement; bascially that players want a "happy ending." Would it be possible for someone to succinctly write a response that summarizes the issues, post it on the Facebook page and then use that as a response to those writers who have misquoted the rationale of the movement? If this has already happened, my apologies. I don't Facebook.

As far as I know our mission statement has been made very clear on both Facebook and other sites. I'm afraid most people are simply unwilling to actually read up on the issue before commenting. You don't want to know how many "I haven't reached the endings yet but I'm sure they're just whining" posts I've seen on those articles.

They keep talking about gamer entitlement or fan entitlement, forgetting that we're paying customers. I guess customer entitlement isn't catchy enough.

[Sinnick03]

[quote]Carnage752 wrote...


[/quote]
Still, a great deal of plotholes, lack of choice, and no clear statement from Bioware this is true. If they run with it I will continue on with this. They need to either refine or expand on these endings, probably both.

[/quote]

What plot holes do you mean exactly?  The way I'm reading the theory would mean that every event after Harbinger hit you with that beam would take place entirely inside Shepards mind.  Thus whatever is the actual ending would be taking place directly after that. 

I agree that it is time for Bioware to make a clear statement on what the ending is and was meant to be.  Chances are that what we got was all that meant it to be.  I just hope the Indoctrination theory is what they go for.

*also how do you quote just a snippet and avoid the pyramid of doom?*

Modifié par Sinnick03, 19 mars 2012 - 09:08 .

[Carnage752]

shephard987 wrote...

Hey guys, just checking in on the status of the donation website.
What's the deal? Still maintenance?

Hold the Line

Just tryed to open. Same error. Still down I guess?

[Lupus Canivus]

SuperTeal wrote...

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Thing is, with all our theories, there is a lot of mights. Fact is, nothing has been confirmed for a fix for the ending, and until that happens we will have to stay and hold the line.

Exactly. They're still evaluating a lot of data and trying to keep up with the forums. 

Also I'd like to point out that there WERE some blatant marketing lies about the ending, which is part of why so many people are as upset as they are.

This video points out those lies pretty clearly:  

Just watch the first minute of it.  The rest is fine too... but it's long.

Its long but point on. Thanks for the tip.


Hold the line.

[Carnage752]

[quote]Sinnick03 wrote...

[quote]Carnage752 wrote...


[/quote]
Still, a great deal of plotholes, lack of choice, and no clear statement from Bioware this is true. If they run with it I will continue on with this. They need to either refine or expand on these endings, probably both.

[/quote]

What plot holes do you mean exactly?  The way I'm reading the theory would mean that every event after Harbinger hit you with that beam would take play entirely inside Shepards mind.  Thus whatever is the actual ending would be taking place directly after that. 

I agree that it is time for Bioware to make a clear statement on what the ending is and was meant to be.  Chances are that what we got was all that meant it to be.  I just hope the Indoctrination theory is what they go for.

[/quote]
Thing is, if that was reality, there would need to be more options after you break indoctrination. The fact starchild even points out the destroy ending? Or earlier on when you break indoctrination talking to TIM, did it just reappear? I could go on.

[shamE12]

Be patient. Hold the line.

[Salyut]

Carnage752 wrote...

shephard987 wrote...

Hey guys, just checking in on the status of the donation website.
What's the deal? Still maintenance?

Hold the Line

Just tryed to open. Same error. Still down I guess?

http://blog.chipin.c...om-maintenance/

It seems it's still down for maintenance. Strange. It's been longer than 20 minutes.

Modifié par Salyut, 19 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[ahandsomeshark]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

beetlebailey123 wrote...

I just got here, I read the updates. I'm starting to wonder why haven't they just caved, and given us an official response? Especially since they pulled that whole stunt last night. I know they are trying to talk it out, but when you pull a facebook post off line within the hour ON A SUNDAY NIGHT somethings going on. I'm even wondering if they are seriously considering changing the ending. They do know they can make money from changing it right?

My guess it was the PR People dipping their toe in the water.

Just to see what the effects would be, the fact that they removed it so quick means two things.

1. They are paying very close attention, more then we probably thought considering they did that on a Sunday around midnight. And the fact it was removed so quickly also indicates they are paying attention.

2. They want to know if we are paying just as much attention to them as they are on us, granted they can observe our activity here without us knowing or noticing them. But our activity also shows that we're still determined and probably much more organized then they initially though.

I think people also need to realize that most corporations are made up of people who aren't used to things moving at the speed of the internet generation. Most of the people making the decisions have probably never seen a backlash this quickly this fast and this massive. For people who are part of the internet generation it seems like it's been forever without any news, but for most of the people who are high up enough to be making these decisions they probably feel like they got hit with a 21 kilo ferous slug.out of no where. I mean it hasn't even been a full two weeks since the release date.

[side note: this is actually a similar issue other media companies are dealing with, the movie industry is literally going insane because they used to have a 2-3 week period of high box sales for crappy movies before the news of how crappy they were spread and now sales drop off after opening weekend] So it's kind of fascinating to see it happening in an industry where user engagement and community has existed on a larger scale for some time.

[Rulycar]

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

Modifié par Rulycar, 19 mars 2012 - 09:11 .

[Su13perfitz]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Versus Omnibus wrote...

People have actually started protesting our protest? Why? What have we done to them?

I think some of the upset-ness comes from them thinking that if we succeed then suddenly video games aren't art. That's a pretty silly argument in and of itself because if they are art, they're corporate art. Unless it's released for free in which case the players would be incredibly silly for protesting something in it.

However, with ME3 specifically there were things we were promised that we didn't get as well as blatant marketing lies. But unlike the guy who made the FTC complaint, we want to work with BioWare to fix these things and give ME3, and the Shepard trilogy, the kind of ending it deserves!

Video games are not just "art" they are also sport. In sport you compete against something. The computer if not another player in this context.  Moreover they use the same concepts as sport which is repeating actions give a reward of some sort(you get the ball, points on the board, crowd cheers and/or boos etc...). The only video games that come close to true art are visual novels and it is even up for debate if those are video games. Remember sports that are not engaging and if the art takes away from the sport and pulls me out of an experience you have to question the "art".

[Carnage752]

Rulycar wrote...

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

My point. One person's actions can hurt the entire movement.

[Carnage752]

Paulomedi wrote...

In the meantime, some humour!



His name was Marauder Shields!

Marauder Shields, Marauder Shields
The Husk who held the Line
The Guardian of the Endings
The Protector of our Mind

He tried to save you from yourself
From madness for all time
Lest you advanced into nonsense
Stood fast and held the Line

Marauder Shields, Marauder Shields
He knew what lay behind
The Glowing Kid, the Coloured Beam
In three different kinds

He sacrificed his life for you
He did away with all his Blue
He gave his Red before his Death
And died Marauder Health

Credits for the poem goes to Jobasha

Marauder shields died holding the line for us...

I've never loved a Reaper so much

[Kushan101]

Rulycar wrote...

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

Can't detect if thats sarcasm or not... all I've seen were a few foolish quotes saying things like "You think that is bad? They even started a charity and have (reportedly)
$50,000 dollars to get the ending changed. While this money could
clearly go to a better cause, it is also a testament about how MAD these
people are over the ending...."
- As you can imagine, the responses are somewhat humbling for the original poster

[Corrik Ronis]

pavi132 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...


"End of line" predates "hold the line"  by approximately 25 years. I have been using it for at least 9 years, since before Mass Effect 1. It is an homage to the Mster Control Program in the 1982 Disny movie "Tron," not a dig at anyone's cause or protest movement. If you believe it is inflammatory, then I would suggest that you're overthinking things and should perhaps learn a little more about me and the movie I am referencing.

Threads are locked if they are not story and campaign related. Since we already have a couple of threads discussing the protest movement, new threads discussing only the protest movement or addressing the protest movement will likelt be locked. This is not decret information, and I would have gladly told you all of this had you but asked in a private message. Jumping to conclusions and crafting conspiracy theories based on half-considered circumstantial evidence does none of us--least of all your "cause"--any good.

thank you.

And thank you for the condescension about this "cause" as you say! It's much appreciated!

Glad I'm not the only one who caught that.