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[RobinEJ]

shygravel wrote...

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

It's quite easy for people to associate anyone who doesn't like the ending with the cause.

Example: The idiotic FTC guy.

The fan who filed a complaint with the FTC had every right to do so. Its rude to say that the guy is idiotic because he felt the best way for his voice to be heard was to file an online complaint with the FTC. While we may not all agree with how someone else chooses to voice his or her opinions of the ending, its never good to ridicule them on how they choose to take a stand. Some of the press has even gone as far as to berate that fan for his actions; which doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Please remember people, be civil be polite and hold the line. We wont get very far otherwise.

Agreed. One of the worst things we could do is start in-fighting. Civility and calm rationale all around is key, whatever our differences and disagreements may be.

Because we all want better endingS

[Sinnick03]

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Thing is, if that was reality, there would need to be more options after you break indoctrination. The fact starchild even points out the destroy ending? Or earlier on when you break indoctrination talking to TIM, did it just reappear? I could go on.

[/quote]
He never broke the indoctrination after TIM, Shepard is still playing inside the world the indoctrination is making for him.  Often a lie is more effective when you think you have disproven it and are now seeing the truth.  This is how strong willed characters like Saren and TIM are snared, they think they are in control.  I think we can all agree that the choices after TIM, ie red, green, blue lights are not the kind of choices we had when Shepard truly was in control of him/herself.
That would be the point of that silly little teaser video at the end of the 'I pick the red explosion'  Shepard taking a breath in the rubble of London is the first act he does outside of the Indoctrination attempt.  Of course, untill BIoware makes any kind of real statement, this is all groping and hopeful logic.

[LdyBelial]

Rulycar wrote...

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

They are trying you mean...  Many of us seem to be stepping up and defending -- most of the pretty civil and informed too.  We can be proud!!!

Hold the line!

[Optimus J]

Syrellaris wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

Yes, people noticed that a week ago when they discovered that the sales of ME3 were going to hell, and administrative folks did such a maneuver to save the day, by creating faux good sales reports, to appease the shareholders.
Thing is for how long they will be supportive on this whole "THE GAME IS MINE, I END AS I WANT" situation.
Because I'm starting to think that Bioware is stalling EA board as much as they are stalling us.

Except for the fact you are wrong and this is a simple Spring sale...

OK, you presented a new argument and that conversation is not valid anymore.
But I have to come to new solution:

You can just say that Bioware backfire scare EA, and they did it as a part of Marketing ruse.

or

You can say that is a normal pattern, and it's just a coincidence

or

You can combine those two and say it's a Spring sale masterfully started in the middle of a crisis to make things smooth for company and customers.

[Qctavian]

Carnage752 wrote...

Paulomedi wrote...

In the meantime, some humour!



His name was Marauder Shields!

Marauder Shields, Marauder Shields
The Husk who held the Line
The Guardian of the Endings
The Protector of our Mind

He tried to save you from yourself
From madness for all time
Lest you advanced into nonsense
Stood fast and held the Line

Marauder Shields, Marauder Shields
He knew what lay behind
The Glowing Kid, the Coloured Beam
In three different kinds

He sacrificed his life for you
He did away with all his Blue
He gave his Red before his Death
And died Marauder Health

Credits for the poem goes to Jobasha

Marauder shields died holding the line for us...

I've never loved a Reaper so much

Then it won't't be in vein. Everyone must stay civil and hold the line.

[ArmyKnifeX]

Optimus J wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

Yes, people noticed that a week ago when they discovered that the sales of ME3 were going to hell, and administrative folks did such a maneuver to save the day, by creating faux good sales reports, to appease the shareholders.
Thing is for how long they will be supportive on this whole "THE GAME IS MINE, I END AS I WANT" situation.
Because I'm starting to think that Bioware is stalling EA board as much as they are stalling us.

Except for the fact you are wrong and this is a simple Spring sale...

OK, you presented a new argument and that conversation is not valid anymore.
But I have to come to new solution:

You can just say that Bioware backfire scare EA, and they did it as a part of Marketing ruse.

or

You can say that is a normal pattern, and it's just a coincidence

or

You can combine those two and say it's a Spring sale masterfully started in the middle of a crisis to make things smooth for company and customers.

Option three has a big plothole involved: Most of us already bought the game.

[Razorsteel]

Optimus J wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

Yes, people noticed that a week ago when they discovered that the sales of ME3 were going to hell, and administrative folks did such a maneuver to save the day, by creating faux good sales reports, to appease the shareholders.
Thing is for how long they will be supportive on this whole "THE GAME IS MINE, I END AS I WANT" situation.
Because I'm starting to think that Bioware is stalling EA board as much as they are stalling us.

Except for the fact you are wrong and this is a simple Spring sale...

OK, you presented a new argument and that conversation is not valid anymore.
But I have to come to new solution:

You can just say that Bioware backfire scare EA, and they did it as a part of Marketing ruse.

or

You can say that is a normal pattern, and it's just a coincidence

or

You can combine those two and say it's a Spring sale masterfully started in the middle of a crisis to make things smooth for company and customers.

3 pretty colors... Deja Vu?

Modifié par Razorsteel, 19 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[ahandsomeshark]

Carnage752 wrote...

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

It's quite easy for people to associate anyone who doesn't like the ending with the cause.

Example: The idiotic FTC guy.

The fan who filed a complaint with the FTC had every right to do so. Its rude to say that the guy is idiotic because he felt the best way for his voice to be heard was to file an online complaint with the FTC. While we may not all agree with how someone else chooses to voice his or her opinions of the ending, its never good to ridicule them on how they choose to take a stand. Some of the press has even gone as far as to berate that fan for his actions; which doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Please remember people, be civil be polite and hold the line. We wont get very far otherwise.

He brought a great deal of negative PR on us. He might have had good intentions, but the fact he did this action while identifying with us selfish. This movement has been to try and get Bioware to cooperate, not force them into this ending.

Go to the Retake Facebook page and read his message. He makes it clear he did this for us. He shouldn't have.

Yeah but an FTC complaint wouldn't force them to redo the endings. More likely it would look into whether EA/EA employees were using information that was false in order to promotions. Which, as multiple posters and a video has pointed out, seems like something that at least warrants investigation, and at worse they'll get a small fine/slap on the risk. Complaining to the FTC about questionable advertising tactics is absolutely the right and reasonable thing to do.

[Vap0ur_Snake]

 Ok so here's something for you guys to consider. I just touched on it before but didn't get into it very much. 
Now one thing that has been going through my mind is that what if the ending was carfully orchestrated for some deeper purpose than any of us can really comprehend. Now I know for a fact that groups like common purpose are performing social experiments, using 'depressing art' and other weird means for no purpose anyone can really fathom. Also more and more people are waking up to the fact that the world is going down the toilet, becoming a police state, a fascist regime and they employ ways to keep the population dulled down or busy with something else to stop them from fighting back. Now what if they made the ending the way they did because they knew how much it meant to all of us and that we wouldn't put up with it, we would rise up and be heard. Now what we're doing here is amazing and not just for the Mass Effect universe but the way we have came together in such a peaceful and intelligent way so I'm not saying we need to stop this at all. What I  saying though is maybe this is what down the line these guys were 
Made to do as a way to keep a hell of a lot of bright and capable people, who probably know that the world leaders are crooks and keep us in an open prison, to keep us occupied with something, for us to throw our entire selves into something that is a fictional product to keep us off the topic of what's really going on in the world today. 

Now I've thought about mentioning this already but I wasn't sure how you guys would take it, it's just a theory, I'm not half as interlectual as half you guys so please go easy on me. 

Modifié par Vap0ur_Snake, 19 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[The Almighty Ali]

Rulycar wrote...

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

I see more comments defending us then attacking us.

Don't worry, we got plenty of support.

[Kinoru]

Not to derail the thread or anything, anyone else here wondering why main stream television new shows hasn't caught up in this issue. I'm pretty sure there should be at least some mention outside from internet reviews/uproar.

Edit. Oops forgot to post that I'm still Holding the Line.

Modifié par Kinoru, 19 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[Optimus J]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

Option three has a big plothole involved: Most of us already bought the game.

It's not a plothole it's a bittesweet closure that leaves lots of speculations.
(whatever that means)

[Flyprdu]

shephard987 wrote...

Shephard signing in.
I see some people losing morale.
REMEMBER
This is the PR's intention and ultimate goal.


Hold the Line.

I don't think PR is trying to wear us down, that seems like mutually assured destruction.   The bottom line is this:  If they don't change the ending, they save money in the short run.. but lose a large portion of their fan base.  If they do change the ending, it will cost money and time, but they'll redeem themselves and restore their core constituency.

Right now they're running the numbers to see if the opportunity and production costs of generating high-quality ending DLC are worth our retention.  Or if they should take the hit on the fan base, and try to regroup.

Or, they're trying to ascertain whether or threats to boycott BioWare forever are just internet flame or actual conviction.

Wearing us down and disenfranchising us does nothing for them... other than seeing if we are worth the collateral damage.

This is a stall... while they take our temperature every hour.  And while they run the numbers.  That's it pretty much.

[Carnage752]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

It's quite easy for people to associate anyone who doesn't like the ending with the cause.

Example: The idiotic FTC guy.

The fan who filed a complaint with the FTC had every right to do so. Its rude to say that the guy is idiotic because he felt the best way for his voice to be heard was to file an online complaint with the FTC. While we may not all agree with how someone else chooses to voice his or her opinions of the ending, its never good to ridicule them on how they choose to take a stand. Some of the press has even gone as far as to berate that fan for his actions; which doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Please remember people, be civil be polite and hold the line. We wont get very far otherwise.

He brought a great deal of negative PR on us. He might have had good intentions, but the fact he did this action while identifying with us selfish. This movement has been to try and get Bioware to cooperate, not force them into this ending.

Go to the Retake Facebook page and read his message. He makes it clear he did this for us. He shouldn't have.

Yeah but an FTC complaint wouldn't force them to redo the endings. More likely it would look into whether EA/EA employees were using information that was false in order to promotions. Which, as multiple posters and a video has pointed out, seems like something that at least warrants investigation, and at worse they'll get a small fine/slap on the risk. Complaining to the FTC about questionable advertising tactics is absolutely the right and reasonable thing to do.

You are ignoring all the consequences because of his action. We are right back to "whiny fanboys" to many people. We can't have people's anger hurting what we have accomplished this early.

[Jayce]

*Resisting temptation to turn that into a Turian councilor meme*

[Marcin K]

Carnage752 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...





Still, a great deal of plotholes, lack of choice, and no clear statement from Bioware this is true. If they run with it I will continue on with this. They need to either refine or expand on these endings, probably both.

What plot holes do you mean exactly?  The way I'm reading the theory would mean that every event after Harbinger hit you with that beam would take play entirely inside Shepards mind.  Thus whatever is the actual ending would be taking place directly after that. 

I agree that it is time for Bioware to make a clear statement on what the ending is and was meant to be.  Chances are that what we got was all that meant it to be.  I just hope the Indoctrination theory is what they go for.

what plotholes? in large scope everything that VI child aka WHAT-THE-HELL CHILD/GODCHILD says contradicts with previous things known as true in ME series: example: Reaper[sovergin] :[...]We have no beginning and no end" [there was something about being eternal too. godchild"i've created the reapers" -something without begining cnnot be created every reaper states it is self aware and different godchild "i control ALL reapers" arrival DLC from ME2: Mass Relay explosion basically kills the system it is in-hence the mass batarian slaughter conduict scene: happy blowing in one of RGB colors thus basically KILLING EVERYTHING one part of cutscene stands against YEARS of plot in Mass Effect series -if that doesn't convince you about plotholes i dunno what will as for indoctrination-if EVERYTHING [including Normandy esscape] is halucination OK-so why BW denies vaguely everything than admit in the open THERE WILL BE MORE ON THE ENDING

Modifié par Marcin R, 19 mars 2012 - 09:22 .

[rvayda141]

Kinoru wrote...

Not to derail the thread or anything, anyone else here wondering why main stream television new shows hasn't caught up in this issue. I'm pretty sure there should be at least some mention outside from internet reviews/uproar.

Edit. Oops forgot to post that I'm still Holding the Line.

We were mentioned on CNN (not negatively I might add), the link is buried in this thread somewhere. I also heard we were mentioned on Fox, but I don't know the details on that one.

[Carnage752]

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

I see more comments defending us then attacking us.

Don't worry, we got plenty of support.

There shouldn't have been anything to fight over in the first place.

[SkaldFish]

pavi132 wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...


"End of line" predates "hold the line"  by approximately 25 years. I have been using it for at least 9 years, since before Mass Effect 1. It is an homage to the Mster Control Program in the 1982 Disny movie "Tron," not a dig at anyone's cause or protest movement. If you believe it is inflammatory, then I would suggest that you're overthinking things and should perhaps learn a little more about me and the movie I am referencing.

Threads are locked if they are not story and campaign related. Since we already have a couple of threads discussing the protest movement, new threads discussing only the protest movement or addressing the protest movement will likelt be locked. This is not decret information, and I would have gladly told you all of this had you but asked in a private message. Jumping to conclusions and crafting conspiracy theories based on half-considered circumstantial evidence does none of us--least of all your "cause"--any good.

thank you.

And thank you for the condescension about this "cause" as you say! It's much appreciated!

Once again -- please. Be civil. If you feel offended by a moderator's remarks and feel you must address the offense, send that moderator a PM and discuss it one-on-one. This thread is kept open at the discretion of the moderators, and such comments put our continued discussion at risk.

[Rulycar]

Kushan101 wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

Can't detect if thats sarcasm or not... all I've seen were a few foolish quotes saying things like "You think that is bad? They even started a charity and have (reportedly)
$50,000 dollars to get the ending changed. While this money could
clearly go to a better cause, it is also a testament about how MAD these
people are over the ending...."
- As you can imagine, the responses are somewhat humbling for the original poster

Not sarcasm, when I put this up there were only two comments posted ...
... neither pleased with us.

[Fulgrim88]

Optimus J wrote...


OK, you presented a new argument and that conversation is not valid anymore.
But I have to come to new solution:

You can just say that Bioware backfire scare EA, and they did it as a part of Marketing ruse.

or

You can say that is a normal pattern, and it's just a coincidence

or

You can combine those two and say it's a Spring sale masterfully started in the middle of a crisis to make things smooth for company and customers.

I...don't know.

I don't like either of those options

Modifié par Fulgrim88, 19 mars 2012 - 09:25 .

[Mister Mida]

Is that Child's Play thing still going on btw?

[Hicks233]

Kinoru wrote...

Not to derail the thread or anything, anyone else here wondering why main stream television new shows hasn't caught up in this issue. I'm pretty sure there should be at least some mention outside from internet reviews/uproar.

Edit. Oops forgot to post that I'm still Holding the Line.

If it's anything like where I am they're more obsessed with sport and fluff pieces. There's lots of motivations here and lots of opinions. That would make them wince trying to find a way to condense it into a speech bite that can be discarded easily before getting onto the rugby.

Then again there's still the perception that games are still only for kids. Hugely profitable. But still only for kids. Unless it has space boobies then all hell breaks loose.

Don't you just love the media...

[Marcin K]

Mister Mida wrote...

Is that Child's Play thing still going on btw?

yes

[rollblows]

LdyBelial wrote...

Rulycar wrote...

http://www.pcmag.com...,2401775,00.asp

The posted comments in this article are ripping us a new one.

They are trying you mean...  Many of us seem to be stepping up and defending -- most of the pretty civil and informed too.  We can be proud!!!

Hold the line!

thay thank the money we have raised[ for child's play]   is too help fund us and get a  new ending wow talk about ignorant:crying: