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[IchikoSakura]

Nachtdämmerung wrote...

I don't know if this thread is the right place to writing this...it is a bit off-topic and melodramatic...

But I want to say thank you to all of you...so many people from all around the world...most of them aren't just flamers but people with a passion...arguing and standing for the ending and closure they deserve

I will hold this line because of two things: my feelings about the ending of ME3...and because of you all

I so know how you feel, but you're not alone. German fleet reporting in, still holding the line ... as long as it takes

[Synonamess]

hands down the best thread here, atghunter's updates are always thoughtful and welcome.

hold the line.

[The Almighty Ali]

shephard987 wrote...

The Almighty Ali wrote...

Mister Mida wrote...

Is that Child's Play thing still going on btw?

Yes, but the site is down for maintenance.
It'll keep going until we either get the ending DLC  or confirmed by Bioware that we get nothing.

As far as I'm concerned, even if we loose then we'll have done something good and if we get a Ending DLC I'mm donate 200 bucks as celebration.

Hear hear.
I second that. 

Hold the Line

I'll hold you to that now.

[punkenjunki3]

One things for certain, I will deffo be using what influence I can to make sure my friends and family stay away from IGN. In my earlier post I said about how game journalists are not acting as they should and being a source of informed opinions to help us spend our money wisely.

The latest video they put up is inexcusable and pretty much validates my mis-trust of games media writers from now on. What we have here is a tabloid and there are already too many of them.

Absolute disgrace.

[dakilla171192]

Please tell me that Yahtzee is going to rip into Bioware with some zero punctuation!

Edit: Also, I would like to give the reason that i desire a better ending:
And that reason is, that I bought all three games, all mass effect 2 dlc, and the collectors edition of ME3. Now with the collectors Ed. I was really disappointed that I was paying $130 for a Box that was smaller than the box I got with my portal 2 preorder and to add to that disappointment, I spent close to three straight days getting 5hour sleep if I was lucky and playing ME3 with all my other spare time. I forgave the a**hole batarian that stuck a gun in my face, I lost Mordin, I lost Legion, I lost Thane, I lost Kaidan (still bummed from the first game), I didn't get to kick the turian councilor, Ashely hated me for a about a game and a half. How much loss can we take? For me, that was enough to buy infinite happy (or atleast satisfying) endings. But what did we get? We got the options of:
1. A turkey slap to the face.
2. A teabag to the face.
3. A kick in the balls.

I spent a good portion of 4 years loving the mass effect series. And all I got was a sharper knife to the back than when my last girlfriend broke up with me. If you manage to fix this, then we might be able to co-exist awkwardly, but until then I will feel nothing but that knife that I can't quite reach to pull out.

Modifié par dakilla171192, 19 mars 2012 - 09:53 .

[mxfox408]

dakilla171192 wrote...

Please tell me that Yahtzee is going to rip into Bioware with some zero punctuation!

Can't wait to see that lol

[coolbeans]

dakilla171192 wrote...

Please tell me that Yahtzee is going to rip into Bioware with some zero punctuation!

Unfortunately I think he'll find the take mass effect campaign a much more tempting target

[Marcin K]

IchikoSakura wrote...

Nachtdämmerung wrote...

I don't know if this thread is the right place to writing this...it is a bit off-topic and melodramatic...

But I want to say thank you to all of you...so many people from all around the world...most of them aren't just flamers but people with a passion...arguing and standing for the ending and closure they deserve

I will hold this line because of two things: my feelings about the ending of ME3...and because of you all

I so know how you feel, but you're not alone. German fleet reporting in, still holding the line ... as long as it takes

glad ypou've joined in fight for the Right cause:)

[JustinS1985]

Home One standing by

Hold the line

[ahandsomeshark]

Carnage752 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

It's quite easy for people to associate anyone who doesn't like the ending with the cause.

Example: The idiotic FTC guy.

The fan who filed a complaint with the FTC had every right to do so. Its rude to say that the guy is idiotic because he felt the best way for his voice to be heard was to file an online complaint with the FTC. While we may not all agree with how someone else chooses to voice his or her opinions of the ending, its never good to ridicule them on how they choose to take a stand. Some of the press has even gone as far as to berate that fan for his actions; which doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Please remember people, be civil be polite and hold the line. We wont get very far otherwise.

He brought a great deal of negative PR on us. He might have had good intentions, but the fact he did this action while identifying with us selfish. This movement has been to try and get Bioware to cooperate, not force them into this ending.

Go to the Retake Facebook page and read his message. He makes it clear he did this for us. He shouldn't have.

Yeah but an FTC complaint wouldn't force them to redo the endings. More likely it would look into whether EA/EA employees were using information that was false in order to promotions. Which, as multiple posters and a video has pointed out, seems like something that at least warrants investigation, and at worse they'll get a small fine/slap on the risk. Complaining to the FTC about questionable advertising tactics is absolutely the right and reasonable thing to do.

You are ignoring all the consequences because of his action. We are right back to "whiny fanboys" to many people. We can't have people's anger hurting what we have accomplished this early.

But you're assuming that the media wouldn't have just found some other reason to call us whiny fanboys. The fact they're blowing a fairly reasonable action out of proporiton just shows that they would take anything, and spin it into proof of us being whiny fanboys to support their arguments. 

Your right. They still might have. But that doesn't mean we can all throw caution to the wind because , oh well, someone else will probably screw us up anyways.

Analogy: 3 guys are carrying a heavy load. One guy thinks the others are about to drop it, so he lets go anyways, bringing the whole load down on the other's feet.

We have to all be careful to always set a good PR for the movement if we want to succeed.

Oh I completely agree on that point. I'm not saying people should start making death to bioware youtube videos. Just that we also shouldn't allow them to box us in to a point that even perfectly reasonable reactions become villified. 

[sabasebatyne]

punkenjunki3 wrote...

One things for certain, I will deffo be using what influence I can to make sure my friends and family stay away from IGN. In my earlier post I said about how game journalists are not acting as they should and being a source of informed opinions to help us spend our money wisely.

The latest video they put up is inexcusable and pretty much validates my mis-trust of games media writers from now on. What we have here is a tabloid and there are already too many of them.

Absolute disgrace.

I agree, but the cheap shots are coming from many other game journalist sources. GI has been peddling snark in every Mass Effect related story this week.

[Scoob]

Carnage752 wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

It's been hard enough getting my other gaming friends to understand this cause, and filing a complaint with the FTC is going to make it bloody impossible to be viewed as "whiny butthurt ****es" and all the other crud I have to deal with from them.

Trying to get people to understand that no, this is not just about the game, but about the notion that we are not going to let large companies sadle us with inferior products while they've been promising all along a superior one. The "art" debate doesn't come in to it in that matter, (though as an artist myself, like a large number of us on here are, if you really want to get into the art debate they had better be prepared for a bitter defeat). This is really all about consumer fraud. It's very difficult to get people to understand that.

I agree. The FTC complaint might be legal, but it's not smart nor practical.

The FTC complaint was legal and valid. Bioware/EA falsy advertised their game and lied about what content was on the disc. Stop complaining about someone using their perfectly legal rights to file a complaint to an agency that was MADE for these type of situations, you know, consumer fraud....

Besides, sitting on a forum to complain can also be seen as not very smart nor practical, so respect how others deal with it. The only reason people are using this FTC complaint against the protest is because

A. They were paid #IGNorant
B. They are BioBots
C. They do not understand what the FTC does

[wheelierdan]

dakilla171192 wrote...

Please tell me that Yahtzee is going to rip into Bioware with some zero punctuation!

hadnt even thought of this. theres no way hed be ok with the ending. cant wait.

[Carnage752]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

It's quite easy for people to associate anyone who doesn't like the ending with the cause.

Example: The idiotic FTC guy.

The fan who filed a complaint with the FTC had every right to do so. Its rude to say that the guy is idiotic because he felt the best way for his voice to be heard was to file an online complaint with the FTC. While we may not all agree with how someone else chooses to voice his or her opinions of the ending, its never good to ridicule them on how they choose to take a stand. Some of the press has even gone as far as to berate that fan for his actions; which doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Please remember people, be civil be polite and hold the line. We wont get very far otherwise.

He brought a great deal of negative PR on us. He might have had good intentions, but the fact he did this action while identifying with us selfish. This movement has been to try and get Bioware to cooperate, not force them into this ending.

Go to the Retake Facebook page and read his message. He makes it clear he did this for us. He shouldn't have.

Yeah but an FTC complaint wouldn't force them to redo the endings. More likely it would look into whether EA/EA employees were using information that was false in order to promotions. Which, as multiple posters and a video has pointed out, seems like something that at least warrants investigation, and at worse they'll get a small fine/slap on the risk. Complaining to the FTC about questionable advertising tactics is absolutely the right and reasonable thing to do.

You are ignoring all the consequences because of his action. We are right back to "whiny fanboys" to many people. We can't have people's anger hurting what we have accomplished this early.

But you're assuming that the media wouldn't have just found some other reason to call us whiny fanboys. The fact they're blowing a fairly reasonable action out of proporiton just shows that they would take anything, and spin it into proof of us being whiny fanboys to support their arguments. 

Your right. They still might have. But that doesn't mean we can all throw caution to the wind because , oh well, someone else will probably screw us up anyways.

Analogy: 3 guys are carrying a heavy load. One guy thinks the others are about to drop it, so he lets go anyways, bringing the whole load down on the other's feet.

We have to all be careful to always set a good PR for the movement if we want to succeed.

Oh I completely agree on that point. I'm not saying people should start making death to bioware youtube videos. Just that we also shouldn't allow them to box us in to a point that even perfectly reasonable reactions become villified. 

If it can cause damage, than ya, I classify it as not reasonable. His move was little gain and a lot of loss.

[ahandsomeshark]

mythlover20 wrote...

It's been hard enough getting my other gaming friends to understand this cause, and filing a complaint with the FTC is going to make it bloody impossible to be viewed as "whiny butthurt ****es" and all the other crud I have to deal with from them.

Trying to get people to understand that no, this is not just about the game, but about the notion that we are not going to let large companies sadle us with inferior products while they've been promising all along a superior one. The "art" debate doesn't come in to it in that matter, (though as an artist myself, like a large number of us on here are, if you really want to get into the art debate they had better be prepared for a bitter defeat). This is really all about consumer fraud. It's very difficult to get people to understand that.

consumer fraud is kind of one of the big things the FTC exists to deal with.

[Sarah Aran]

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

ahandsomeshark wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

It's quite easy for people to associate anyone who doesn't like the ending with the cause.

Example: The idiotic FTC guy.

The fan who filed a complaint with the FTC had every right to do so. Its rude to say that the guy is idiotic because he felt the best way for his voice to be heard was to file an online complaint with the FTC. While we may not all agree with how someone else chooses to voice his or her opinions of the ending, its never good to ridicule them on how they choose to take a stand. Some of the press has even gone as far as to berate that fan for his actions; which doesn't paint them in a good light either.

Please remember people, be civil be polite and hold the line. We wont get very far otherwise.

He brought a great deal of negative PR on us. He might have had good intentions, but the fact he did this action while identifying with us selfish. This movement has been to try and get Bioware to cooperate, not force them into this ending.

Go to the Retake Facebook page and read his message. He makes it clear he did this for us. He shouldn't have.

Yeah but an FTC complaint wouldn't force them to redo the endings. More likely it would look into whether EA/EA employees were using information that was false in order to promotions. Which, as multiple posters and a video has pointed out, seems like something that at least warrants investigation, and at worse they'll get a small fine/slap on the risk. Complaining to the FTC about questionable advertising tactics is absolutely the right and reasonable thing to do.

You are ignoring all the consequences because of his action. We are right back to "whiny fanboys" to many people. We can't have people's anger hurting what we have accomplished this early.

But you're assuming that the media wouldn't have just found some other reason to call us whiny fanboys. The fact they're blowing a fairly reasonable action out of proporiton just shows that they would take anything, and spin it into proof of us being whiny fanboys to support their arguments. 

Edit: case in point being the stories that are claiming the money raised for child's play is going towards a new ending and not for an actual cause. They're clearly not interested in the truth, because a simple google search would have cleared that idea up for them, they're interested in perpetuating a sterotype to others, and they would have found a way to do it one way or another.

The best thing that anyone can do with all this anger is to remain civil and use their efforts to contact the folks who published the article and give the movement's side of the story to the reporter. There will always be people who read the situation wrong and report on it. Its up to the movement to remain calm and try to explain it's views and try to correct the misperceptions. Not fun, but all part of holding the line.

[link33333]

I wonder when we will get an official response concerning our opinions

Modifié par link33333, 19 mars 2012 - 09:42 .

[punkenjunki3]

sabasebatyne wrote...

punkenjunki3 wrote...

One things for certain, I will deffo be using what influence I can to make sure my friends and family stay away from IGN. In my earlier post I said about how game journalists are not acting as they should and being a source of informed opinions to help us spend our money wisely.

The latest video they put up is inexcusable and pretty much validates my mis-trust of games media writers from now on. What we have here is a tabloid and there are already too many of them.

Absolute disgrace.

I agree, but the cheap shots are coming from many other game journalist sources. GI has been peddling snark in every Mass Effect related story this week.

Oh yeah too true, im just singalling IGN out as they are still fresh in my mind. There are many many more unfortunately.

[The Final Few]

We can't let Bioware and the rEAPRs feel as if the problem is going away.

[wheelierdan]

the reality is from my point of view, they issued statements they knew to be false about their product, in order to entice consumers to purchase their product. seems pretty clear to me.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

I don't see the point of getting upset that the media is attacking us,after all the media works for EA so if they are attacking us that must mean EA and Bioware are worried. Remember the greatest insult that can be inflicted on an enemy is to be ignored. The fact that they are putting in so much work into trying to split us up and attack us in the media proves we are winning. Just hold on and don't falling to the trap of believing them when they are still telling lies or fighting each other and we will win.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Carnage752]

Scoob wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

It's been hard enough getting my other gaming friends to understand this cause, and filing a complaint with the FTC is going to make it bloody impossible to be viewed as "whiny butthurt ****es" and all the other crud I have to deal with from them.

Trying to get people to understand that no, this is not just about the game, but about the notion that we are not going to let large companies sadle us with inferior products while they've been promising all along a superior one. The "art" debate doesn't come in to it in that matter, (though as an artist myself, like a large number of us on here are, if you really want to get into the art debate they had better be prepared for a bitter defeat). This is really all about consumer fraud. It's very difficult to get people to understand that.

I agree. The FTC complaint might be legal, but it's not smart nor practical.

The FTC complaint was legal and valid. Bioware/EA falsy advertised their game and lied about what content was on the disc. Stop complaining about someone using their perfectly legal rights to file a complaint to an agency that was MADE for these type of situations, you know, consumer fraud....

Besides, sitting on a forum to complain can also be seen as not very smart nor practical, so respect how others deal with it. The only reason people are using this FTC complaint against the protest is because

A. They were paid #IGNorant
B. They are BioBots
C. They do not understand what the FTC does

That's the point Scoob. Yes, it is legal and valid. But you are looking at the face value of what he did.

People will use this as a ammunition against us. It might have gained him short term gain. But in the long term? People will classify us as Whiny Fanboys. You are right. They don't understand. And we HAVE to take that into account.

I'm more pissed that he wanted to link what he did to us. It may be legal and valid. But it was short-sighted.

[Salyut]

wheelierdan wrote...

dakilla171192 wrote...

Please tell me that Yahtzee is going to rip into Bioware with some zero punctuation!

hadnt even thought of this. theres no way hed be ok with the ending. cant wait.

I completely forgot about zero punctuation. I don't always agree with him, but I'm looking forward to what he has to say. At least I know his opinion will be an honest one, not a PR answer. Besides, I could do with some laughter.

[Ender99]

IchikoSakura wrote...

Nachtdämmerung wrote...

I don't know if this thread is the right place to writing this...it is a bit off-topic and melodramatic...

But I want to say thank you to all of you...so many people from all around the world...most of them aren't just flamers but people with a passion...arguing and standing for the ending and closure they deserve

I will hold this line because of two things: my feelings about the ending of ME3...and because of you all

I so know how you feel, but you're not alone. German fleet reporting in, still holding the line ... as long as it takes

Perfect place for it. We here to support each other. Glad you decided to join us.

Holding the line no matter how long it takes!

[Fallenfromthesky]

Scoob wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

It's been hard enough getting my other gaming friends to understand this cause, and filing a complaint with the FTC is going to make it bloody impossible to be viewed as "whiny butthurt ****es" and all the other crud I have to deal with from them.

Trying to get people to understand that no, this is not just about the game, but about the notion that we are not going to let large companies sadle us with inferior products while they've been promising all along a superior one. The "art" debate doesn't come in to it in that matter, (though as an artist myself, like a large number of us on here are, if you really want to get into the art debate they had better be prepared for a bitter defeat). This is really all about consumer fraud. It's very difficult to get people to understand that.

I agree. The FTC complaint might be legal, but it's not smart nor practical.

The FTC complaint was legal and valid. Bioware/EA falsy advertised their game and lied about what content was on the disc. Stop complaining about someone using their perfectly legal rights to file a complaint to an agency that was MADE for these type of situations, you know, consumer fraud....

Besides, sitting on a forum to complain can also be seen as not very smart nor practical, so respect how others deal with it. The only reason people are using this FTC complaint against the protest is because

A. They were paid #IGNorant
B. They are BioBots
C. They do not understand what the FTC does

I agree that the FTC complain may not have been in the movements best interest but what done is done if we can show that we are big enough to accept that and move on then we send the message that we are not just whiny, entitled fanboys and girls