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[Fallenfromthesky]

Carnage752 wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Do you want the FTC incident happening a dozen times over? I don't.

Which incident? A guy filing a simple complain, and a bunch of alarmists announcing the doom and end of times?

BIG DEAL. The complain will only result on Bioware watching their mouths before deceiving us. I never saw why it would bring doom over us. The opposite even, it would HELP US.

It is a big deal. If we follow in his lead Bioware will use this as their argument to disregard us. We will lose.

He is encouraging people to do the same. That should not be happening after all the damage it caused.

We will also loose if we continue to focus on past wrongs and infight im here to save mass effect not argue over what someone else did in an unthought responce lets move on and re-unify and HOLD THE LINE. 

[Vap0ur_Snake]

@sabasebatyne
Thank you, it was an issue I couldn't not share any longer. I especially want EA and BW to see it really.

@everyone
I bought KOA Reckoning today although I should t have as I think EA is the main problem with why parts of the game do not meet our expectations. But, instead of playing it I've been on this forum for the entire time I've been awake, I can't tear myself away from it.

I think after this issue is fully addressed and we are finished we should make sure this group of thinkers stays together and active, there are a lot more issues we could get shead some light on and we can really do some good.

At least if we don't get what we aimed for we have came together and have proven to the world that we won't all just sit back and take what they feed us.

HOLD THE LINE, STAY STRONG AND UNITED.... OUR CHOICES MATTER.

[TanithAeyrs]

Holding the line on polite discourse on respectfully asking Bioware to look at what has happened here.

The endings (in my opinion) are much like offering Frodo (Lord of the Rings) the option of: uniting with Sauron and using the ring - which has miraculously turned to good - to end the war, using the ring to combine all races - orcs, elves, dwarves, humans, ents, ect - into one amalgamation, or to destroy Sauron and at the same time destroy the ents or the dwarves and condemn the remaining elves to remain in Middle Earth where they will slowly wither and die without access to the Grey Havens. This after 3 books of building up to the destruction of the ring saving Middle Earth.

Pretty sure Shepard, with his/her military training would have thrown the ring into the the lava without Gollum biting his finger off, and without acknowledging any other option... unless he/she was indoctrinated or some other explination is found.

[Carnage752]

Fallenfromthesky wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Optimus J wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Do you want the FTC incident happening a dozen times over? I don't.

Which incident? A guy filing a simple complain, and a bunch of alarmists announcing the doom and end of times?

BIG DEAL. The complain will only result on Bioware watching their mouths before deceiving us. I never saw why it would bring doom over us. The opposite even, it would HELP US.

It is a big deal. If we follow in his lead Bioware will use this as their argument to disregard us. We will lose.

He is encouraging people to do the same. That should not be happening after all the damage it caused.

We will also loose if we continue to focus on past wrongs and infight im here to save mass effect not argue over what someone else did in an unthought responce lets move on and re-unify and HOLD THE LINE. 

Here's the difference. I can change people's minds before they do anything rash here. Once the complaints are out, the ammunition is already added to Bioware's belt.

[Xellith]

Im willing to forgive and forget this whole thing ever happened - as long as Bioware fixes the damn game. I want endings representitive of the choices I put in. Im not going to settle for anything less. Ive got 3 books on my shelf I ordered to read after I complete ME3. They are still on the shelf.

[supermaan]

Dranume wrote...

Supermann
"Video games are an item that we purchase, a product. As a consumer buying a product I have the right to receive what I pay for based on how it's represented by the manufacturer (advertisement, etc.) and being free of manufacturing defects. As far as video games being art...you could say that housing contracters are artists as well, in that they also create (an interpretation of their vision). They "advertise" that house and make claims as to everything it comes with and can do. If that house fails to meet any of those claims through misrepresentation or manufacturing defects, you have the right to challenge it...but nobody will tell you that you're incorrectly acting entitled because this house is art. Point is, anything that could be considered art or artistic expression becomes a product once it is sold, and as a product is subject to customer approval."

I like what this guy says. this is a good point and one that should not be overlooked.

Thanks Dranume. I just felt the need to make this particular point for obvious reasons.

[Deathfromabo]

marshkoala wrote...

@shygravel
I've been trying to start this all morning. Some poster mentioned earlier that Jericho(a tv series)fans sent bags of peanuts to the network that was going to cancell it. It work, it got media attention, it was usual and the producers from Jericho said it gave them another season.
We would just have to pick an object people could mail inexpensively and would have meaning.

Help anyone?

A few posts back some one suggested mailing in the N7 badges that came with Collectors Editions (correct me if im wrong) of the game. A great idea i might add, if i had purchased the Collectors Edition i would be shipping it straight back right about now.

[akawa106]

just me, but in the few articles i read about the ftc thing they dont seem to be painting us in a bad light, more just showing the gravity of the situation. Basically showing "here's how serious this petition is" ... dont get me wrong i do think it was a wrong move because of how it could make us look. But deep down, i do get why they did it, i mean i do feel that i was falsely advertised to and why should it be any different than about any other type of product. I mean I'm more saying that morally I agree with it but not practically... just my 2 cents.... (hold the line)

[Carnage752]

akawa106 wrote...

just me, but in the few articles i read about the ftc thing they dont seem to be painting us in a bad light, more just showing the gravity of the situation. Basically showing "here's how serious this petition is" ... dont get me wrong i do think it was a wrong move because of how it could make us look. But deep down, i do get why they did it, i mean i do feel that i was falsely advertised to and why should it be any different than about any other type of product. I mean I'm more saying that morally I agree with it but not practically... just my 2 cents.... (hold the line)

Hah. Read the comments.

[justlogme]

Carnage752 wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@darkusdarkus
Welcome to the forums! Feel free to comment you are not the only one!

@Carnage752
Take the high ground buddy ): (What FTC have no idea what you're talking about)

"Holding the Line"

Recently someone filed a complaint to the FTC and linked his effort to us.

Moments later gamer sites sympathetic to Bioware are degrading public opinion of us using this incident as an argument.

And the guy is telling others to file complaints even after the consequences. I am warning people not to listen.

So ya, there you go.

  Sorry but your running with disinformation. As soon as the child charity began sites sympathetic to Bioware started their degrading opinion of the movement.. the FTC thing did nothing that hadn't already happened as soon as the movement started and brought attention to the charity. if you actually have proof other then your opinion Pls pm it to me or post it here if you will.

[Sinnick03]

[/quote]
Here's the difference. I can change people's minds before they do anything rash here. Once the complaints are out, the ammunition is already added to Bioware's belt.

[/quote]

His opinions are logged in this thread.  Your opinions are logged in this thread.  Any further repetition of the opinions accomplishes nothing but division.

[Njald]

If AtgHunter gets a cameo in the next Bioware title I might buy it even if ME3 is never fixed.

[sabasebatyne]

TanithAeyrs wrote...

Holding the line on polite discourse on respectfully asking Bioware to look at what has happened here.

The endings (in my opinion) are much like offering Frodo (Lord of the Rings) the option of: uniting with Sauron and using the ring - which has miraculously turned to good - to end the war, using the ring to combine all races - orcs, elves, dwarves, humans, ents, ect - into one amalgamation, or to destroy Sauron and at the same time destroy the ents or the dwarves and condemn the remaining elves to remain in Middle Earth where they will slowly wither and die without access to the Grey Havens. This after 3 books of building up to the destruction of the ring saving Middle Earth.

Pretty sure Shepard, with his/her military training would have thrown the ring into the the lava without Gollum biting his finger off, and without acknowledging any other option... unless he/she was indoctrinated or some other explination is found.

Love the analogy. Glad to see another LOTR fan!

[Agamemnon2589]

marshkoala wrote...

@shygravel
I've been trying to start this all morning. Some poster mentioned earlier that Jericho(a tv series)fans sent bags of peanuts to the network that was going to cancell it. It work, it got media attention, it was usual and the producers from Jericho said it gave them another season.
We would just have to pick an object people could mail inexpensively and would have meaning.

Help anyone?

N7 patches from the Collector's Edition. If you don't have an N7 patch, print a picture of one and cut it out and mail that instead. I think of all the things fans could mail to BioWare, that would be the most impactful - especially if it was the fabric patch from the CE. Nothing says you're upset like sending in a letter of disappointment and something that you bought from them - something that could potentially mean a great deal to a lot of people. I have my own N7 patch sitting on my desk next to my Gears of War 3 CE stuff, but I'll tell you right now that it's getting mailed. 

Anybody else think that's a good idea? I know it's been mentioned before (like, twice now) but it never seems to make any headway. I really, really think this would have am impact, though - it would only cost you a postage stamp.

[Zhijn]

Great update atghunter, cheers for the cheering. =)

[wepeel_]

Signing off for the night, trusting the line will be held.

[Reidbynature]

Carnage752 wrote...

This isn't about us. This is about the public. They will see this incident as the group, and if this keeps happening the neutrals in this fight will come to belive we really are whiny fanboys. They won't research it, they will just see it and make assumptions. That's what the public does.

You're still being pretty alarmist, that's no help to us.  You need to chill and take a breather.  Also I've never like the 'general audience/public at large are uninformed or ignorant as a rule' viewpoint.  I see enough of that when I'm on forums talking about movies like The Dark Knight Rises or The Avengers.  I don't believe in selling them short like that.  Sure you always have those people, but they aren't reflective of the majority, just like the FTC guy isn't reflective of us.

Also in another post where you mention that sites biased towards EA/Bioware will look at that as an excuse to paint us all as 'whiny fanboys'.  Give it up.  They were never on our side in the first place and haven't given a monkeys about what the fanbase have thought for a long time.  Most of them have a long track record of taking a p*** on their readership before this ever happened so I see no logic in worrying what they think.

[Fallenfromthesky]

Carnage752 wrote...

Here's the difference. I can change people's minds before they do anything rash here. Once the complaints are out, the ammunition is already added to Bioware's belt.

I do agree with you. We don't want to give Bioware any more flak they throw right back I just don't think that back and forth agruments is productive. People have accepted that running to the FTC was a mistake and after the  blacklash within our movement is really don't thaink anyone will be in a hurry to emulate.

[Carnage752]

justlogme wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@darkusdarkus
Welcome to the forums! Feel free to comment you are not the only one!

@Carnage752
Take the high ground buddy ): (What FTC have no idea what you're talking about)

"Holding the Line"

Recently someone filed a complaint to the FTC and linked his effort to us.

Moments later gamer sites sympathetic to Bioware are degrading public opinion of us using this incident as an argument.

And the guy is telling others to file complaints even after the consequences. I am warning people not to listen.

So ya, there you go.

  Sorry but your running with disinformation. As soon as the child charity began sites sympathetic to Bioware started their degrading opinion of the movement.. the FTC thing did nothing that hadn't already happened as soon as the movement started and brought attention to the charity. if you actually have proof other then your opinion Pls pm it to me or post it here if you will.

Heres the difference log.

Bioware sites will always degrade us. The fact we have a bloody charity with 65K dollars for the children got through to the public.

The FTC incident came out, and Bioware sites did the usual slandering. And the public bought it. They didn't see us as a civil, peaceful movement or a movement with 65K donated to charity.

They saw us as whiny fanboys.

[marshkoala]

@shephard987
Thanks for the link! It was a great article and well thought out.

@OptimusJ Thanks for the link every little bit helps!

@Carnage752
Sorry you disagree but if you tell enough people the world is flat they will believe it.
I believe that time spent trying to find new and inventful ways to reach Bioware is more worth our time and effort.
I believe this thread is about PR tactics of Bioware and how to best acheive our goal of getting Bioware to at least talk to us, not FTC filings.
I mean really aren't you just giving him free advertisement?

"grabbing my umbrella and trying to hold the line"

[marshkoala]

I'll be back have to take daughter to oboe lessons sorry.

[Kinoru]

ugh tried to start a news development post but these forums move so fast that by the time I've finished updating it its at the bottom of page 3....

Holding the Line.

[shephard987]

http://www.mediumdif...and-mass-effect

More media reports. Not necessarily supporting, but shows the other side of the argument.
I believe we should be attuned to that as well.

And as to this article, I want to say that while this illusion may exist, it was our illusion to have.
The choices were promised, along with the consequences at the end, and BioWare or EA simply
have not delivered.
While choice might have been an illusion, our stand is there to make sure
that companies like this will hear about this "illusion" if they don't deliver.
I truly believe Mass Effect let me choose to do what I needed to do to get to the end.
That ending was devoid of everything Mass Effect stands for, and this is why we protest.

If we let this kind of franchise slide on such a lazy way to end the saga, then we would be saying that it's ok for companies to lie about their products and its experiences and that it's ok to keep quiet about it because as consumers and fans our choices shouldn't matter.

I am against either.

Hold the line.

[IchikoSakura]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

marshkoala wrote...

@shygravel
I've been trying to start this all morning. Some poster mentioned earlier that Jericho(a tv series)fans sent bags of peanuts to the network that was going to cancell it. It work, it got media attention, it was usual and the producers from Jericho said it gave them another season.
We would just have to pick an object people could mail inexpensively and would have meaning.

Help anyone?

N7 patches from the Collector's Edition. If you don't have an N7 patch, print a picture of one and cut it out and mail that instead. I think of all the things fans could mail to BioWare, that would be the most impactful - especially if it was the fabric patch from the CE. Nothing says you're upset like sending in a letter of disappointment and something that you bought from them - something that could potentially mean a great deal to a lot of people. I have my own N7 patch sitting on my desk next to my Gears of War 3 CE stuff, but I'll tell you right now that it's getting mailed. 

Anybody else think that's a good idea? I know it's been mentioned before (like, twice now) but it never seems to make any headway. I really, really think this would have am impact, though - it would only cost you a postage stamp.

I think it's a very good idea, because unless the ending is fixed, I can't stand looking at anything that reminds me of me3, and the N7-Logo was with Shepard, was with us from the beginning. It has strong symbolic value.