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[GorrilaKing]

This looks a lot like a reassembly of Hudson's latest non-statement...so I am not inclined to take that as truth.

Modifié par GorrilaKing, 19 mars 2012 - 11:22 .

[Syrellaris]

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

The studio behind hit videogame "Mass Effect 3" on Monday said fans who wanted a happier ending may get a slice of what they wish for, following an online campaign calling for changes.

The game's executive producer Casey Hudson acknowledged in an online post that the chosen conclusion to the gripping science fiction action trilogy had generated "a lot of discussion and debate," but stood firm on the decision.

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending," he explained in the studio's first and only response to the campaign," on gamemaker BioWare's website forum.

"To do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way," he continued, in a reference to the heroic character whose choices and actions are controlled by players in all three titles.

A "Demand a Better Ending for Mass Effect 3" page at social networking website Facebook had logged more than 42,000 "likes" by Monday and a "@RetakeME3" account at Twitter had 4,528 followers.

One fan took the campaign further, filing a complaint with the US Federal Trade Commission arguing that BioWare and publisher Electronic Arts had not been honest about how the trilogy would end.

Hudson, however, noting feedback from players that the ending was too bleak, said BioWare was working on new content that will be made available to download online to extend play beyond the current finish of the game.

"We'll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be," he said. "This is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard.

"We also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories," Hudson added.

Originally launched in 2007, the final installment in the "Mass Effect" trilogy was released on March 5 and snapped up by fans.

The games pit the main character, a male or female version of Commander Shepard depending on player preference, against an ancient race of machines called "Reapers" intent on wiping out organic life in the cosmos.

Allies made or friends lost in one game changes who is at the side of a player's character, and thus their options, in sequels. Players can opt to not import characters' reputations from earlier games so they can start fresh.

Hudson said the game had been designed with a series of endings to key plots to allow players to "carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

That is just PR. I remember that quote from Hudson, and it was NOT conclusive. Don't decieve people here Sylarris.

......  http://news.yahoo.co...-195542082.html

Deceive how? its a new article I quoted.

on a side note : Why double post?

Modifié par Syrellaris, 19 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[sabasebatyne]

@Carnage

Entire repost twice was excessive, even for me.

[mmdestiny]

Carnage752 wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

We can make it clear we don't endorse that behavior nor do we want to be associated with people like that.

Yet several members from your movement had no problem with someone filing a complaint.  So is it the movement that doesn't endorse the decision, or you?

Whole bloody point I'm arguing. Most agree, but if a few don't they need to know why we think it's a bad idea.

@longtime: Several members =/= an entire movement.

Modifié par mmdestiny, 19 mars 2012 - 11:23 .

[Agamemnon2589]

shygravel wrote...

RE: N7 Patches!

Got a response from the person who made the aforementioned thread who seemed to believe sending in the N7 Patches would be a great addition to the next letter campaign. I sent a FB PM there (before I knew you did Agamemnon2589 or I wouldn't have bombarded the poor guy, woops!) so we'll see what comes of it.

@Agamemnon: Thanks for the addy!

Edit: I don't think BW would just 'repurpose' the Patches, but those who wanted to could marker over it as was suggested or the like. But I think the simplicity of the patch alone speaks volumes in and of itself.

Editx2: Got thread names mixed up. Really need to stop messaging while fixing dinner.

This is great. Honestly, this is the best idea I've heard with respect to sending physical objects to make a point. And I agree - the chances of them repurposing the patches is pretty low. It's not like they're going to be making anymore Collector's Editions.

In other news, I'm sure everybody's seen this by now, but...I thought it was too amazing not to share. Gordon Freeman as a war asset? Hell yeah!
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Home 

[Hydralysk]

Ilzairspar wrote...

BostonVamp wrote...

*snip*

If you send in the patches BW / EA will probably just re-distribute the patches and you may actually have saved them some money.

You have a good point.  So what can we send them that's not too much money but something that they can't just repackage and sell.

Well we could always send them the cutout that were reccomended by Agamemnon for people without the CE.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 19 mars 2012 - 11:28 .

[Carnage752]

sabasebatyne wrote...

@Carnage

Entire repost twice was excessive, even for me.

Apologies

[sabasebatyne]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...


In other news, I'm sure everybody's seen this by now, but...I thought it was too amazing not to share. Gordon Freeman as a war asset? Hell yeah!
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Home 

Yay! The Freeman joins The Shepard in the fight! Now if Gordon would ever actually show up for the fight...

[Agamemnon2589]

BostonVamp wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

If you send in the patches BW / EA will probably just re-distribute the patches and you may actually have saved them some money.

Hmm, perhaps a permanent marker wrting something to the effect of 'we will hold'

That isn't the point, though. Sure, they may do that, but honestly, think of something that has more symbolic value than the N7 logo, especially in this situation. It's like a sign from the gods that the patch was included in the CE. And if you don't have a patch (or don't want to send yours to keep them from reusing it), mail a paper cut-out of the logo. Same effect, and now they can't package it in anything else. (I'm fairly certain they won't be producing any more CEs anyway, though.)

Not saying it should or shouldn't be done...just thinking through unintended consequences.

Nah, don't worry, I got that. Sorry if I came off rude. I was just playing the other side of the fence.

[Carnage752]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

That is just PR. I remember that quote from Hudson, and it was NOT conclusive. Don't decieve people here Sylarris.

......  http://news.yahoo.co...-195542082.html

Deceive how? its a new article I quoted.

on a side note : Why double post?

Not the article Sylarris. The quote from Hudson. It's from one of his "We are listening" statements. Not conclusive evidence. Yahoo is either genuinely fooled or trying to pull a fast one if they are saying that it is a for sure. It's not.

Side note: Double post was result of asking for link to article, then remembering the quote and forgetting to hit edit.

Modifié par Carnage752, 19 mars 2012 - 11:27 .

[Xivai]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

The studio behind hit videogame "Mass Effect 3" on Monday said fans who wanted a happier ending may get a slice of what they wish for, following an online campaign calling for changes.

The game's executive producer Casey Hudson acknowledged in an online post that the chosen conclusion to the gripping science fiction action trilogy had generated "a lot of discussion and debate," but stood firm on the decision.

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending," he explained in the studio's first and only response to the campaign," on gamemaker BioWare's website forum.

"To do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way," he continued, in a reference to the heroic character whose choices and actions are controlled by players in all three titles.

A "Demand a Better Ending for Mass Effect 3" page at social networking website Facebook had logged more than 42,000 "likes" by Monday and a "@RetakeME3" account at Twitter had 4,528 followers.

One fan took the campaign further, filing a complaint with the US Federal Trade Commission arguing that BioWare and publisher Electronic Arts had not been honest about how the trilogy would end.

Hudson, however, noting feedback from players that the ending was too bleak, said BioWare was working on new content that will be made available to download online to extend play beyond the current finish of the game.

"We'll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be," he said. "This is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard.

"We also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories," Hudson added.

Originally launched in 2007, the final installment in the "Mass Effect" trilogy was released on March 5 and snapped up by fans.

The games pit the main character, a male or female version of Commander Shepard depending on player preference, against an ancient race of machines called "Reapers" intent on wiping out organic life in the cosmos.

Allies made or friends lost in one game changes who is at the side of a player's character, and thus their options, in sequels. Players can opt to not import characters' reputations from earlier games so they can start fresh.

Hudson said the game had been designed with a series of endings to key plots to allow players to "carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

That is just PR. I remember that quote from Hudson, and it was NOT conclusive. Don't decieve people here Sylarris.

......  http://news.yahoo.co...-195542082.html

Deceive how? its a new article I quoted.

on a side note : Why double post?

I'm not buying it, something this big would be giant news. Bioware isn't saying anything on the matter. They probably took a quote out of context and it got all garbled out of proportion.

[animadpig]

Today is Monday. However, Bioware is still not reply anything. I think I will return ME3 at April 6th and never buy the game from Bioware/EA anymore. To the people you want to keep ME3, you still can return it and buy it from eBay or Amazon because the price of ME3 has been dropping at least 10% in the last week. I will let my commander Shepard stay at ME2.

[Vap0ur_Snake]

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

[Relicness]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

shygravel wrote...

RE: N7 Patches!

Got a response from the person who made the aforementioned thread who seemed to believe sending in the N7 Patches would be a great addition to the next letter campaign. I sent a FB PM there (before I knew you did Agamemnon2589 or I wouldn't have bombarded the poor guy, woops!) so we'll see what comes of it.

@Agamemnon: Thanks for the addy!

Edit: I don't think BW would just 'repurpose' the Patches, but those who wanted to could marker over it as was suggested or the like. But I think the simplicity of the patch alone speaks volumes in and of itself.

Editx2: Got thread names mixed up. Really need to stop messaging while fixing dinner.

This is great. Honestly, this is the best idea I've heard with respect to sending physical objects to make a point. And I agree - the chances of them repurposing the patches is pretty low. It's not like they're going to be making anymore Collector's Editions.

In other news, I'm sure everybody's seen this by now, but...I thought it was too amazing not to share. Gordon Freeman as a war asset? Hell yeah!
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Home 

People should check out that chat page, lots of discussion: 
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Chat 

[Damate]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

*snip!*

In other news, I'm sure everybody's seen this by now, but...I thought it was too amazing not to share. Gordon Freeman as a war asset? Hell yeah!
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Home 

This is awesome!!! Tweeting now!

[Carnage752]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

[SkaldFish]

Casey Hudson: "We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending ... To do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way."

Am I the only one who's having trouble squeezing any meaning at all out of that statement? I want to answer, "Yeah? How do you figure?"

Modifié par SkaldFish, 19 mars 2012 - 11:31 .

[punkenjunki3]

Carnage752 wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

We can make it clear we don't endorse that behavior nor do we want to be associated with people like that.

Yet several members from your movement had no problem with someone filing a complaint.  So is it the movement that doesn't endorse the decision, or you?

Whole bloody point I'm arguing. Most agree, but if a few don't they need to know why we think it's a bad idea.

Im with carnage on this one. The FTC i assume in the US is similar to one of the ombudsmans bodies here in the UK or prehaps the DTI im not sure, never worked in that sector of government. From my past experience I can tell you if I approached one of the UK institutions with a complaint like the one raised then thier resposne would have been a politely worded letter saying "they will monitor any further complaints but right now there is nothing we can do for you". Thats not before it wouldnt have been dragged through the wringer of the press and made to look like I or this whole movement was behaving like spoiled brats and wasting public time.

So the very fact one person did this and it made the press speaks volumes, regardless of whether our critics slandered us or not before the complaint was made official we had some modicum of high ground and with further investigation from an inquistive outsider would have revealed to them the true intent of our movement and maybe even sypmpathised with us.

Now when thier news tickers say "FTC Receives complaint from disgruntled gamer over game ending" they will simply say: WTF?! F***in fanboys.

Modifié par punkenjunki3, 19 mars 2012 - 11:33 .

[longtimecoming00]

mmdestiny wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

We can make it clear we don't endorse that behavior nor do we want to be associated with people like that.

Yet several members from your movement had no problem with someone filing a complaint.  So is it the movement that doesn't endorse the decision, or you?

Whole bloody point I'm arguing. Most agree, but if a few don't they need to know why we think it's a bad idea.

@longtime: Several members =/= an entire movement.

Is it safe to assume then that Carnage spoke with the authority of the movement when he denouced the decision to file with the FTC?  If so, then it's good that you guys finally designated a spokesman.  It easier to listen to one voice speaking rather than a thousand voices shouting.

[Leland Gaunt]

Carnage752 wrote...

Not the article Sylarris. The quote from Hudson. It's from one of his "We are listening" statements. Not conclusive evidence. Yahoo is either genuinely fooled or trying to pull a fast one if they are saying that it is a for sure. It's not.

Side note: Double post was result of asking for link to article, then remembering the quote and forgetting to hit edit.

Seems like yahoo was just copying and pasting from the thread in this forum...

[Reidbynature]

Syrellaris wrote...

The studio behind hit videogame "Mass Effect 3" on Monday said fans who wanted a happier ending may get a slice of what they wish for, following an online campaign calling for changes.

The game's executive producer Casey Hudson acknowledged in an online post that the chosen conclusion to the gripping science fiction action trilogy had generated "a lot of discussion and debate," but stood firm on the decision.

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending," he explained in the studio's first and only response to the campaign," on gamemaker BioWare's website forum.

"To do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way," he continued, in a reference to the heroic character whose choices and actions are controlled by players in all three titles.

A "Demand a Better Ending for Mass Effect 3" page at social networking website Facebook had logged more than 42,000 "likes" by Monday and a "@RetakeME3" account at Twitter had 4,528 followers.

One fan took the campaign further, filing a complaint with the US Federal Trade Commission arguing that BioWare and publisher Electronic Arts had not been honest about how the trilogy would end.

Hudson, however, noting feedback from players that the ending was too bleak, said BioWare was working on new content that will be made available to download online to extend play beyond the current finish of the game.

"We'll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be," he said. "This is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard.

"We also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories," Hudson added.

Originally launched in 2007, the final installment in the "Mass Effect" trilogy was released on March 5 and snapped up by fans.

The games pit the main character, a male or female version of Commander Shepard depending on player preference, against an ancient race of machines called "Reapers" intent on wiping out organic life in the cosmos.

Allies made or friends lost in one game changes who is at the side of a player's character, and thus their options, in sequels. Players can opt to not import characters' reputations from earlier games so they can start fresh.

Hudson said the game had been designed with a series of endings to key plots to allow players to "carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

Thanks for the update Syrellaris.  That's good to hear.  Hopefully we hear something more about this possible content soon.

[Xivai]

Reidbynature wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

The studio behind hit videogame "Mass Effect 3" on Monday said fans who wanted a happier ending may get a slice of what they wish for, following an online campaign calling for changes.

The game's executive producer Casey Hudson acknowledged in an online post that the chosen conclusion to the gripping science fiction action trilogy had generated "a lot of discussion and debate," but stood firm on the decision.

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending," he explained in the studio's first and only response to the campaign," on gamemaker BioWare's website forum.

"To do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way," he continued, in a reference to the heroic character whose choices and actions are controlled by players in all three titles.

A "Demand a Better Ending for Mass Effect 3" page at social networking website Facebook had logged more than 42,000 "likes" by Monday and a "@RetakeME3" account at Twitter had 4,528 followers.

One fan took the campaign further, filing a complaint with the US Federal Trade Commission arguing that BioWare and publisher Electronic Arts had not been honest about how the trilogy would end.

Hudson, however, noting feedback from players that the ending was too bleak, said BioWare was working on new content that will be made available to download online to extend play beyond the current finish of the game.

"We'll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be," he said. "This is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard.

"We also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories," Hudson added.

Originally launched in 2007, the final installment in the "Mass Effect" trilogy was released on March 5 and snapped up by fans.

The games pit the main character, a male or female version of Commander Shepard depending on player preference, against an ancient race of machines called "Reapers" intent on wiping out organic life in the cosmos.

Allies made or friends lost in one game changes who is at the side of a player's character, and thus their options, in sequels. Players can opt to not import characters' reputations from earlier games so they can start fresh.

Hudson said the game had been designed with a series of endings to key plots to allow players to "carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

Thanks for the update Syrellaris.  That's good to hear.  Hopefully we hear something more about this possible content soon.

It's not a real announcment, just a quote taken out of context.

[Carnage752]

Reidbynature wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

The studio behind hit videogame "Mass Effect 3" on Monday said fans who wanted a happier ending may get a slice of what they wish for, following an online campaign calling for changes.

The game's executive producer Casey Hudson acknowledged in an online post that the chosen conclusion to the gripping science fiction action trilogy had generated "a lot of discussion and debate," but stood firm on the decision.

"We always intended that the scale of the conflict and the underlying theme of sacrifice would lead to a bittersweet ending," he explained in the studio's first and only response to the campaign," on gamemaker BioWare's website forum.

"To do otherwise would betray the agonizing decisions Shepard had to make along the way," he continued, in a reference to the heroic character whose choices and actions are controlled by players in all three titles.

A "Demand a Better Ending for Mass Effect 3" page at social networking website Facebook had logged more than 42,000 "likes" by Monday and a "@RetakeME3" account at Twitter had 4,528 followers.

One fan took the campaign further, filing a complaint with the US Federal Trade Commission arguing that BioWare and publisher Electronic Arts had not been honest about how the trilogy would end.

Hudson, however, noting feedback from players that the ending was too bleak, said BioWare was working on new content that will be made available to download online to extend play beyond the current finish of the game.

"We'll keep listening, because your insights and constructive feedback will help determine what that content should be," he said. "This is not the last you'll hear of Commander Shepard.

"We also recognize that some of our most passionate fans needed more closure, more answers, and more time to say goodbye to their stories," Hudson added.

Originally launched in 2007, the final installment in the "Mass Effect" trilogy was released on March 5 and snapped up by fans.

The games pit the main character, a male or female version of Commander Shepard depending on player preference, against an ancient race of machines called "Reapers" intent on wiping out organic life in the cosmos.

Allies made or friends lost in one game changes who is at the side of a player's character, and thus their options, in sequels. Players can opt to not import characters' reputations from earlier games so they can start fresh.

Hudson said the game had been designed with a series of endings to key plots to allow players to "carry the knowledge of these consequences with you as you complete the final moments of your journey."

Thanks for the update Syrellaris.  That's good to hear.  Hopefully we hear something more about this possible content soon.

Reid. It's not conclusive evidence. It's a misinterpretation of Hudsons "We are listening" statement. Don't start the party yet.

[Relicness]

shygravel wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

*snip!*

In other news, I'm sure everybody's seen this by now, but...I thought it was too amazing not to share. Gordon Freeman as a war asset? Hell yeah!
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Home 

This is awesome!!! Tweeting now!

Awesome! Join the chat too: 
http://lugoentertain...3ending/#!/Chat 

[Carnage752]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

mmdestiny wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

We can make it clear we don't endorse that behavior nor do we want to be associated with people like that.

Yet several members from your movement had no problem with someone filing a complaint.  So is it the movement that doesn't endorse the decision, or you?

Whole bloody point I'm arguing. Most agree, but if a few don't they need to know why we think it's a bad idea.

@longtime: Several members =/= an entire movement.

Is it safe to assume then that Carnage spoke with the authority of the movement when he denouced the decision to file with the FTC?  If so, then it's good that you guys finally designated a spokesman.  It easier to listen to one voice speaking rather than a thousand voices shouting.

Your right. I did denounce it. I also argued to make my point. I have my own opinions too, as do others.