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[Syrellaris]

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

That is just PR. I remember that quote from Hudson, and it was NOT conclusive. Don't decieve people here Sylarris.

......  http://news.yahoo.co...-195542082.html

Deceive how? its a new article I quoted.

on a side note : Why double post?

Not the article Sylarris. The quote from Hudson. It's from one of his "We are listening" statements. Not conclusive evidence. Yahoo is either genuinely fooled or trying to pull a fast one if they are saying that it is a for sure. It's not.

Side note: Double post was result of asking for link to article, then remembering the quote and forgetting to hit edit.

I have a hard time not believing Casey Hudson, probably due to my experiences meeting him shortly in London. (he got me this awsome N7 T-shirt and even went out of the way to find one in my size! ) So i do believe him if he says they are listening and working on post DLC to change the ending slightly.

This ofcourse does not mean it is 100% guarenteed what you all want, but it is neither debunked either. we can only hope in the end.

and well..... I guess...... somewhat...... *shuffles away into the trenches as he unhooks his Sniper rifle from the back*.   Hold.....*bang * the... *Boom*  line!

Modifié par Syrellaris, 19 mars 2012 - 11:36 .

[Baineblade]

Sypher_KoS wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

1 serious question, what if bioware comes up with a big DLC expansion next month or perhaps a small post saying that the Indoctrination is what really happened and that thus the story aint finished yet. (Regardless, the indoctrination theory seems to be real, there is simply to much evidence and facts stating that it is true)

How will you all feel?

I still wouldn't be pleased by the fact that I spent 70 bucks on an incomplete game.  DLC should be used to enhance an experiance not give you the ending to your game.  If the theory is true and this was all planned from the start, then I don't like the presidence that is being set.  Bioware/EA has placed themselves in a lose-lose situation. 

Either: 1) They released a game they knew wasn't ready and hoped we wouldn't notice or care until they were done with the DLC

Or: 2) They are trying to squeeze the last egg from this golden goose so hard that even Capcom would flinch with a DLc ending plan

Or: 3)They really did think they had made one great finale to the series that everyone would enjoy and are now thinking about scrambling

Incompetent, greedy or out of touch, choose your color.

Ouch!   What ever happened to door number 4?!  Oh wait...that's right, Hudson didn't think it was a good idea and scrapped it, along with everything else we've been wanting to know about the series.  Seriously, at this point I'm hoping there was more sense at bioware than what happened.  3 is the most frightening of the options you drop here.

[DentedHalo]

i just wanted to say how much i havbe enjoyed reading the posts by atghunter... thank you... and thank you also to the OP who keeps these comments updated in the original post... itsa good touchstone for the community

[Vap0ur_Snake]

Carnage752 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

So Yahoo just made up all of that about they're gonna add to the ending and explain more to long time fans?

[shephard987]

Carnage752 wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

mmdestiny wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

We can make it clear we don't endorse that behavior nor do we want to be associated with people like that.

Yet several members from your movement had no problem with someone filing a complaint.  So is it the movement that doesn't endorse the decision, or you?

Whole bloody point I'm arguing. Most agree, but if a few don't they need to know why we think it's a bad idea.

@longtime: Several members =/= an entire movement.

Is it safe to assume then that Carnage spoke with the authority of the movement when he denouced the decision to file with the FTC?  If so, then it's good that you guys finally designated a spokesman.  It easier to listen to one voice speaking rather than a thousand voices shouting.

Your right. I did denounce it. I also argued to make my point. I have my own opinions too, as do others.

Would everyone please relax? 
All of us should know that while media that writes about this, both sides, is a good thing,
we know that UNTIL BIOWARE SAYS ANYTHING CONCRETE,
everything else is speculation.
Stop piling up against each other, or our group doesn't have a chance in hell.
No more accusations of usurping power. We are strong.
We are better than this. 
Above all

We will Hold the Line

[longtimecoming00]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

So Yahoo just made up all of that about they're gonna add to the ending and explain more to long time fans?

Maybe they got him drunk and he spilled the beans.

[Baineblade]

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

That is just PR. I remember that quote from Hudson, and it was NOT conclusive. Don't decieve people here Sylarris.

......  http://news.yahoo.co...-195542082.html

Deceive how? its a new article I quoted.

on a side note : Why double post?

Not the article Sylarris. The quote from Hudson. It's from one of his "We are listening" statements. Not conclusive evidence. Yahoo is either genuinely fooled or trying to pull a fast one if they are saying that it is a for sure. It's not.

Side note: Double post was result of asking for link to article, then remembering the quote and forgetting to hit edit.

I have a hard time not believing Casey Hudson, probably due to my experiences meeting him shortly in London. (he got me this awsome N7 T-shirt and even went out of the way to find one in my size! ) So i do believe him if he says they are listening and working on post DLC to change the ending slightly.

This ofcourse does not mean it is 100% guarenteed what you all want, but it is neither debunked either. we can only hope in the end.

and well..... I guess...... somewhat...... *shuffles away into the trenches as he unhooks his Sniper rifle from the back*.   Hold.....*bang * the... *Boom*  line!

Honestly, at this point, ignore Carnage, he's foaming at the mouth and getting worked up over every little thing.  It's near pointless to attempt to reason with him, he'll just go on, so best just ignore him.  I honestly feel that Casey has dropped the ball, at this point he's only done what hurts us the most.  He's lied and isn't willing to own up to his mistakes.

[Syrellaris]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

So Yahoo just made up all of that about they're gonna add to the ending and explain more to long time fans?

Not exactly, What Carnage is saying that as long as Bioware has not flat out told us they are working on DLC and when or how it will be released, it is still not 100% Guarenteed.  However knowing that bioware will keep its word as they always have done, I would not dismiss hudson's words either.

[longtimecoming00]

Baineblade wrote...

Honestly, at this point, ignore Carnage, he's foaming at the mouth and getting worked up over every little thing.  It's near pointless to attempt to reason with him, he'll just go on, so best just ignore him.  I honestly feel that Casey has dropped the ball, at this point he's only done what hurts us the most.  He's lied and isn't willing to own up to his mistakes.

It's good to know I'm not the only one who's witnessed his increasingly aggressive and territorial behavior.

[Carnage752]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

So Yahoo just made up all of that about they're gonna add to the ending and explain more to long time fans?

They didn't make it up. They misinterpreted it. Hopefully on accident.

[Jedifan421]

Sypher_KoS wrote...

I still wouldn't be pleased by the fact that I spent 70 bucks on an incomplete game.  DLC should be used to enhance an experiance not give you the ending to your game.  If the theory is true and this was all planned from the start, then I don't like the presidence that is being set.  Bioware/EA has placed themselves in a lose-lose situation. 

Either: 1) They released a game they knew wasn't ready and hoped we wouldn't notice or care until they were done with the DLC

Or: 2) They are trying to squeeze the last egg from this golden goose so hard that even Capcom would flinch with a DLc ending plan

Or: 3)They really did think they had made one great finale to the series that everyone would enjoy and are now thinking about scrambling

Incompetent, greedy or out of touch, choose your color.

This.

This is why no matter what, I'm not buying ANY DLC or games from BioWare/EA again but wil support this movement for those who still will. Anyone of these options is frightening and I hope for those who are going to buy Dragon Age III don't preorder it and find out how the endings play out.

Remember Marauder Shields and Hold The Line!

[Michotic]

@Syrellaris

Thanks for posting that story. It is somewhat refreshing to be acknowledged, but until I see a firm, 100% commitment from BioWare/EA, I'm not really putting much stock into anything said.

@longtimecoming00

Carnage has been responding to you, but we don't have a spokesman. We are all in this together. I also think the FTC complaint was a bit rash, but each person can react how they wish. If that person believes it was the best way to make his voice heard, no one can really tell him otherwise.

Our choices should matter. Hold the line.

[Darkeus]

Syrellaris wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

So Yahoo just made up all of that about they're gonna add to the ending and explain more to long time fans?

Not exactly, What Carnage is saying that as long as Bioware has not flat out told us they are working on DLC and when or how it will be released, it is still not 100% Guarenteed.  However knowing that bioware will keep its word as they always have done, I would not dismiss hudson's words either.

Bioware will keep its word???

LMAO.  Right, just like they did with Dragon Age 2 and the promises made with ME3....  They do not have the best track record of doing that.

[Reidbynature]

Xivai wrote...

It's not a real announcment, just a quote taken out of context.

Yeah, I didn't see it until after I posted.

[Vap0ur_Snake]

longtimecoming00 wrote..

Maybe they got him drunk and he spilled the beans.

Love it

syreallaris wrote..

Not exactly, What Carnage is saying that as long as Bioware has not flat out told us they are working on DLC and when or how it will be released, it is still not 100% Guarenteed.  However knowing that bioware will keep its word as they always have done, I would not dismiss hudson's words either.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Must admit though, it's. Better than nothing.

Ha ha, finally remembered how to use basic HTML so won't be creating 'pyramids' anymore

HOLD THE LINE.

Modifié par Vap0ur_Snake, 19 mars 2012 - 11:47 .

[Emerald69]

This guy is very insightful.

[Leland Gaunt]

Syrellaris wrote...
I have a hard time not believing Casey Hudson, [...]

My thoughts exactly (even though I didn't meet him in person). I can't believe that the mastermind behind our beloved universe doesn't take our complaints very seriously. I mean, he didn't put his heart into all of it just to be content with that much fans complaining. Neither did any of the other developers-
As I posted before, I've always considered BioWare as one of the most fan-friendly game developers due to what they did do for us in the past and because of this I can't imagine them not doing anything this time. I still have good hopes that developer and fans can be reunited as one.

So, hold the line people!

[MeldarthX]

ArmyKnifeX wrote...

MeldarthX wrote...

I'd agree with you - but going by EA's own statements - Video Games are not art; they are business.

EA isn't the authority on what is and what isn't art. Though if you look back to their corporate stance from wayyyy back in the 80s when they got started, they named their company Electronic Arts because they, most importantly above all, viewed themselves as artists and video games as a new medium, capable of being as strong as any other artistic medium.

For them to have so radically changed stances, if they released such a statement, is a truly sad state of affairs.

As I said in my earlier post, if BioWare are truly happy and think that the ending stands on its own without any weakness and is bulletproof as a work of art, they aren't obligated to listen to us. It may well be that our RetakeME movement is giving the dissenters in BioWare credence, if they exist, and it may be that our critiques are pointing out the flaws they don't wish to have in their work.

Don't forget that every artist has to deal with critiques and criticisms, sometimes FAR harsher ones than we're giving BioWare. If, because of these critiques, an artist wishes to change their piece that does not detract from the piece. My brother went through one fo the toughest critique educations at his university, and I can strongly say that changing your work to make it better because of good criticisms does not undermine its value in any way.

I completely agree Army - I'm a writer - and I've had some harsh things said about pieces I've writing; people have loved the concept I was trying to do; but honestly thought how I tried to do it sucked.  I've got back and rewritten things.

The whole arguement that artist don't have to listen; they can do what they want.  Is fine; it also means; they don't have to have my money or anyone else; Some of the best artists; writers - listen to their fans....

Sure took fans of Sir Arthur Doyle 10 years........but they got Sherlock back - I'm for one damn greatful they did.  Shakespear was known for his rewrites - changing things; that people didn't like.  I have book back in the states that has his completely known works - all 3 hamlets - everything.  It was really; really interesting to read them all.  Charles Dickenson - Great Expecations.......that was changed after people read it and said please don't do this.......

That's why I still can't get the ending to ME3 - yes there was issues in the game; quest log; romances; but those easily over looked on how well the rest of the game is written.  That is the truth - and then the ending - 

They have left the door open for a way out - whether they did that on purpose we'll see.  I felt they did; part of me still does........because its not an ending at all.......its a cliffhanger

[Carnage752]

Baineblade wrote...

Honestly, at this point, ignore Carnage, he's foaming at the mouth and getting worked up over every little thing.  It's near pointless to attempt to reason with him, he'll just go on, so best just ignore him.  I honestly feel that Casey has dropped the ball, at this point he's only done what hurts us the most.  He's lied and isn't willing to own up to his mistakes.

Well that's rude. I'm just trying to make sure we don't drop the ball again with the FTC incident, and explaining the yahoo statement. Nice way to stay polite.

[Carnage752]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Baineblade wrote...

Honestly, at this point, ignore Carnage, he's foaming at the mouth and getting worked up over every little thing.  It's near pointless to attempt to reason with him, he'll just go on, so best just ignore him.  I honestly feel that Casey has dropped the ball, at this point he's only done what hurts us the most.  He's lied and isn't willing to own up to his mistakes.

It's good to know I'm not the only one who's witnessed his increasingly aggressive and territorial behavior.

Gee sorry trying to explain things around here. I have been civil the whole time, and I find it rude that he says I am "foaming at the mouth."

[Michotic]

It's not that I don't believe what Casey Hudson is saying, it's just that quote of his does not necessarily mean content after the conclusion. All it stated is that it will extend the story, which could mean content like (for example only) retaking Omega. I doubt that would happen after the conclusion, but it would extend the story.

[Murvel88]

I agree that until we get 100% confirmation from BioWare themselves that a fix/patch/DLC is on the way we must not back down. I will not dismiss Hudson as a complete liar just yet, but I certainly take his words with a truck-load of salt. I really hope BW sets things right on this one.
Also please stop the infighting, it gains us nothing and only gives the media more opportunities to dismiss our movement as juvernile and a waste of time. Stay strong, stay together and hold the line!

[sAxMoNkI]

Cool it peeps, we're all holding the same line

EDIT: @Carnage just let it slide man, in the grand scheme of things a few poorly phrased sentiments between any of us shouldnt get us riled. Shrug it off big guy.

Modifié par sAxMoNkI, 19 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[Vap0ur_Snake]

Leland Gaunt wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...
I have a hard time not believing Casey Hudson, [...]

My thoughts exactly (even though I didn't meet him in person). I can't believe that the mastermind behind our beloved universe doesn't take our complaints very seriously. I mean, he didn't put his heart into all of it just to be content with that much fans complaining. Neither did any of the other developers-
As I posted before, I've always considered BioWare as one of the most fan-friendly game developers due to what they did do for us in the past and because of this I can't imagine them not doing anything this time. I still have good hopes that developer and fans can be reunited as one.

So, hold the line people!

This is exactly why I can't get my head around why he'd ok that ending, there must be a lot of factors that made them do it. I guess the most obvious would be that they were on a tight schedule from EA to get it put before the fiscal year. Maybe EA got so
Eone who was t familiar with the other two games to do the ending which would explain the inconsistencies. 

[SaladinDheonqar]

I guess people have either forgotten or forgiven Hudson for lying to us before. I for one, remain skeptical. And let's be honest here, this is EA's PR talking not Hudson.