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[Nightfire78]

longtimecoming00 wrote...

mmdestiny wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

longtimecoming00 wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

We can make it clear we don't endorse that behavior nor do we want to be associated with people like that.

Yet several members from your movement had no problem with someone filing a complaint.  So is it the movement that doesn't endorse the decision, or you?

Whole bloody point I'm arguing. Most agree, but if a few don't they need to know why we think it's a bad idea.

@longtime: Several members =/= an entire movement.

Is it safe to assume then that Carnage spoke with the authority of the movement when he denouced the decision to file with the FTC?  If so, then it's good that you guys finally designated a spokesman.  It easier to listen to one voice speaking rather than a thousand voices shouting.

Carnage speaks for the movement in about the same way the FTC guy does, ie. not in any official sense. (no offense Carnage). There are people who agree with it and people who don't. As far as I can tell, we all agree that it was the decision of an individual who is non-representative for the movement.

It's a movement of individuals with different opinions on a myriad of things and total agreement on the fact that that ME3's ending is just not right (also for a myriad of reasons).

[Valo_Soren]

Again, I repeat, Bioware has said that changing the ending has not been ruled out, patience people, patience.

[Zero.Gee]

Carnage752 wrote...

Well that's rude. I'm just trying to make sure we don't drop the ball again with the FTC incident, and explaining the yahoo statement. Nice way to stay polite.

While he was rather passive aggressive in responding to you; I agree that you've taken this issue a bit too far. You've taken something that could and in many accounts, should have been shrugged off and ranted about it for many pages. All the while taking away from the topic this thread was setup for. I'm a little surprised actually. Several people have tried to get things back on track and yet you continue to detail things with this constant conversation about the FTC complaint. While I can't stop you from continuing on; I will suggest you just drop it and move on. You're doing yourself harm in attempting to keep this going.

Modifié par Zero.Gee, 19 mars 2012 - 11:55 .

[Hydralysk]

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I guess people have either forgotten or forgiven Hudson for lying to us before. I for one, remain skeptical. And let's be honest here, this is EA's PR talking not Hudson.

This, there's no way Casey was not aware that most of what he was promising us regarding the ending clearly wasn't true. Even if it's EA's words, he's still responsible for agreeing to say them.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 19 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[mmdestiny]

sAxMoNkI wrote...

Cool it peeps, we're all holding the same line

EDIT: @Carnage just let it slide man, in the grand scheme of things a few poorly phrased sentiments between any of us shouldnt get us riled. Shrug it off big guy.

This, and not just to carnage, EVERYONE.  We are in fact all on the same side.  Division is what the other side's PR wants.   Don't give it to them.  (especially not division caused by our own hand)

[Murvel88]

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I guess people have either forgotten or forgiven Hudson for lying to us before. I for one, remain skeptical. And let's be honest here, this is EA's PR talking not Hudson.

My thoughts exactly.
  Personal differances aside, we're all in on this one. We're fighting for the same thing. Don't take out your frustration on each other, use the energy where it makes a real difference. Stay polite people.
Signing off for today, hold the line folks.

[shephard987]

Everyone, this bickering within the group needs to stop.
We need to be civil in our unrest, if there is unrest to begin with.
That means PMing instead of putting out opinion fights on the web.
All of this could be taken out of context and does not serve our purpose.
Please, remain civil.
And if you're going to fight, do it in private.
Help this thread remain in line.

And Hold it.

[Syrellaris]

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

So Yahoo just made up all of that about they're gonna add to the ending and explain more to long time fans?

Not exactly, What Carnage is saying that as long as Bioware has not flat out told us they are working on DLC and when or how it will be released, it is still not 100% Guarenteed.  However knowing that bioware will keep its word as they always have done, I would not dismiss hudson's words either.

Bioware will keep its word???

LMAO.  Right, just like they did with Dragon Age 2 and the promises made with ME3....  They do not have the best track record of doing that.

Want a couple of examples?

1) I am currently in a very dedicated european Star Wars the old republic guild for roleplay and such. We had a fan meeting up in London in 2011 at the eurogamer exposition. Bioware both with ME3 and Swtor were there. They also had there developers and Stephen Reid with them. We managed to sneak in a few questions and asked them if we could be in the Beta since we missed the conference they were holding. They said sure.

We had to write down our email adresses and give it to them. Low and behold 1 week after eurogamer, we had our Closed beta invites for Sw:Tor.

2) I also managed to play mass Effect 3 there the first time and recieved some very nice background information that people here on BSN did not even know about.

I also met up with them in a special meet and greet session in London at gamerbase I think on Piccadilly circus.  Were we had some beers, snacks and played Sw:tor while we chatted about various bioware games from the past as well as those still come!

in short. Bioware never really let me down and they are amazing people.

[KeldorKatarn]

New suggestion for a peace treaty by the "Drill Sergeant"
Sorry for posting this here too, but I think it might lead to something good and the original thread is already WAY behind in pages and I don't want to just bump it.

http://social.biowar.../index/10276955

[Fruxie]

This is really interesting. I want to thank Bachuck for diligently adding to this thread and atghunter for his insightful posts.

I will be holding the line, with my comrades and I hope to see Bioware make a change for the better in the near future.

[irishScott3]

Valo_Soren wrote...

Again, I repeat, Bioware has said that changing the ending has not been ruled out, patience people, patience.

No, they've said they're still "gathering feedback" and "DLC will be released".  Which is to say "nothing".  Thus far they have given us no specifics, other than that slip-up where one of their employees told the truth (I don't believe that it was a miscommunication for a second).

Bioware has lost my trust.  If it hadn't I wouldn't have joined the movement.  It will take one hell of a DLC ending patch to regain said trust, and the only scraps of real info we have seem to point in the opposite direction.

Yes it makes perfect sense at this point for Bioware to change the endings given the massive fan outcry (well beyond these forums at this point), but given that they put those endings in; I have zero faith in Bioware's "sense".

[InsaneNarwhal]

Paulomedi wrote...

Just to clarify a thing: we all LOVE Mass Effect. In fact, if it was any other game, people wouldn't bother to come here to complain. They would move on with their lives, don't buy from Bioware anymore and call it a day.

We are doing this BECAUSE we still have hope for this franchise.

This. More of this people.

[mmdestiny]

longtimecoming00 wrote...
Is it safe to assume then that Carnage spoke with the authority of the movement when he denouced the decision to file with the FTC?  If so, then it's good that you guys finally designated a spokesman.  It easier to listen to one voice speaking rather than a thousand voices shouting.

That's a very stretched conclusion.  I don't think there are any spokespeople.  I agree with you on the one voice speaking vs. 1000 shouting, but this situation does not call for spokespeople.  If you haven't read atghunter's post in the OP about spokespeople vs. organizers in a PR war, I'd highly recommend it.  We need cohesion, not figureheads.  Especially in a forum with 1000s of voices spread over dozens of threads.

[Baineblade]

Zero.Gee wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Well that's rude. I'm just trying to make sure we don't drop the ball again with the FTC incident, and explaining the yahoo statement. Nice way to stay polite.

While he was rather passive aggressive in responding to you; I agree that you've taken this issue a bit too far. You've taken something that could and in many accounts, should have been shrugged off and ranted about it for many pages. All the while taking away from the topic this thread was setup for. I'm a little surprised actually. Several people have tried to get things back on track and yet you continue to detail things with this constant conversation about the FTC complaint. While I can't stop you from continuing on; I will suggest you just drop it and move on. You're doing yourself harm in attempting to keep this going.

I will admit I'm being passive agressive with my posting, but at the same time, I'm not going to come out in someone's face and tell them to "STFU You Wanker".  He's entitled to his opinion of course, but when he drives his opinion into the ground with you over the course of 2 days, over a myraid of differing subjects, something has to be said.

[Darkeus]

Syrellaris wrote...

[
Want a couple of examples?

1) I am currently in a very dedicated european Star Wars the old republic guild for roleplay and such. We had a fan meeting up in London in 2011 at the eurogamer exposition. Bioware both with ME3 and Swtor were there. They also had there developers and Stephen Reid with them. We managed to sneak in a few questions and asked them if we could be in the Beta since we missed the conference they were holding. They said sure.

We had to write down our email adresses and give it to them. Low and behold 1 week after eurogamer, we had our Closed beta invites for Sw:Tor.

2) I also managed to play mass Effect 3 there the first time and recieved some very nice background information that people here on BSN did not even know about.

I also met up with them in a special meet and greet session in London at gamerbase I think on Piccadilly circus.  Were we had some beers, snacks and played Sw:tor while we chatted about various bioware games from the past as well as those still come!

in short. Bioware never really let me down and they are amazing people.

Umm, just more PR to keep fans happy.  Sorry, they cared about your money, not being nice to you!  I mean come on, those types of events are used to humanize the company and also to make fan relationships.  Most companies do these types of things, they do not make EA/Bioware special....

Modifié par Darkeus, 20 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Zero.Gee]

Baineblade wrote...

I will admit I'm being passive agressive with my posting, but at the same time, I'm not going to come out in someone's face and tell them to "STFU You Wanker".  He's entitled to his opinion of course, but when he drives his opinion into the ground with you over the course of 2 days, over a myraid of differing subjects, something has to be said.

I can understand that completely. But I think its time people let that particular issue be. Lets focus our energy on other things.

[Vap0ur_Snake]

[quote] 

Want a couple of examples?

1) I am currently in a very dedicated european Star Wars the old republic guild for roleplay and such. We had a fan meeting up in London in 2011 at the eurogamer exposition. Bioware both with ME3 and Swtor were there. They also had there developers and Stephen Reid with them. We managed to sneak in a few questions and asked them if we could be in the Beta since we missed the conference they were holding. They said sure.

We had to write down our email adresses and give it to them. Low and behold 1 week after eurogamer, we had our Closed beta invites for Sw:Tor.

2) I also managed to play mass Effect 3 there the first time and recieved some very nice background information that people here on BSN did not even know about.

I also met up with them in a special meet and greet session in London at gamerbase I think on Piccadilly circus.  Were we had some beers, snacks and played Sw:tor while we chatted about various bioware games from the past as well as those still come! [/quote]

Sounds good. I have a friend who love the star wars memo and he wants me to play. I really want to but I won't sign up till we get the endig(s) we deserve. 

in short. Bioware never really let me down and they are amazing people.
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[Leland Gaunt]

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...
This is exactly why I can't get my head around why he'd ok that ending, there must be a lot of factors that made them do it. I guess the most obvious would be that they were on a tight schedule from EA to get it put before the fiscal year. Maybe EA got so
Eone who was t familiar with the other two games to do the ending which would explain the inconsistencies.

Yes, that thought struck my mind too. In the very end EA is business and business is money. It may definitly be a factor in this whole mess... so could a dozen other things. I just don't want to give up hope on the BioWare staff yet...

[Vap0ur_Snake]

[quote]Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

[quote] 

Want a couple of examples?

1) I am currently in a very dedicated european Star Wars the old republic guild for roleplay and such. We had a fan meeting up in London in 2011 at the eurogamer exposition. Bioware both with ME3 and Swtor were there. They also had there developers and Stephen Reid with them. We managed to sneak in a few questions and asked them if we could be in the Beta since we missed the conference they were holding. They said sure.

We had to write down our email adresses and give it to them. Low and behold 1 week after eurogamer, we had our Closed beta invites for Sw:Tor.

2) I also managed to play mass Effect 3 there the first time and recieved some very nice background information that people here on BSN did not even know about.

I also met up with them in a special meet and greet session in London at gamerbase I think on Piccadilly circus.  Were we had some beers, snacks and played Sw:tor while we chatted about various bioware games from the past as well as those still come! [/quote]

Sounds good. I have a friend who love the star wars memo and he wants me to play. I really want to but I won't sign up until we get the ending(s) we deserve. 

in short.
[/quote]
[/quote]

[Hydralysk]

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

[
Want a couple of examples?

1) I am currently in a very dedicated european Star Wars the old republic guild for roleplay and such. We had a fan meeting up in London in 2011 at the eurogamer exposition. Bioware both with ME3 and Swtor were there. They also had there developers and Stephen Reid with them. We managed to sneak in a few questions and asked them if we could be in the Beta since we missed the conference they were holding. They said sure.

We had to write down our email adresses and give it to them. Low and behold 1 week after eurogamer, we had our Closed beta invites for Sw:Tor.

2) I also managed to play mass Effect 3 there the first time and recieved some very nice background information that people here on BSN did not even know about.

I also met up with them in a special meet and greet session in London at gamerbase I think on Piccadilly circus.  Were we had some beers, snacks and played Sw:tor while we chatted about various bioware games from the past as well as those still come!

in short. Bioware never really let me down and they are amazing people.

Umm, just more PR to keep fans happy.  Sorry, they cared about your money, not being nice to you!  I mean come on, those types of events are used to humanize the company and also to make fan relationships.  Most companies do these types of things, they do not make EA/Bioware special....

Look, we have no idea what bioware is currently doing except giving us PR deflection. Neither side can be proven or disproven at this point because we don't have the data. We shouldn't be arguing over this, it's exactly what they want at this point.

[Baineblade]

Zero.Gee wrote...

Baineblade wrote...

I will admit I'm being passive agressive with my posting, but at the same time, I'm not going to come out in someone's face and tell them to "STFU You Wanker".  He's entitled to his opinion of course, but when he drives his opinion into the ground with you over the course of 2 days, over a myraid of differing subjects, something has to be said.

I can understand that completely. But I think its time people let that particular issue be. Lets focus our energy on other things.

You got dude!  So!  Anyone keeping up with Gamefront?  They've posted like 4 or 5 articles in the past few hours that are a bit interesting to read!

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Hydralysk wrote...

SaladinDheonqar wrote...

I guess people have either forgotten or forgiven Hudson for lying to us before. I for one, remain skeptical. And let's be honest here, this is EA's PR talking not Hudson.

This, there's no way Casey was not aware that most of what he was promising us regarding the ending clearly wasn't true. Even if it's EA's words, he's still responsible for agreeing to say them.

yeah that is why despite the fact that the last thing i want to see is anyone fired I would not feel guilty if it happened to him.

People please remain calm,stay together,and remember that these things take more then a week or two to work. If you stay with it and don't panic we will win.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[lanep25]

Syrellaris wrote...

Darkeus wrote...

Syrellaris wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

Carnage752 wrote...

Vap0ur_Snake wrote...

So is that Hudson saying that they're gonna give us what we want or is it more PR balls?

PR. Yahoo got the wrong impression from one of Casey's "We are listening" posts.

So Yahoo just made up all of that about they're gonna add to the ending and explain more to long time fans?

Not exactly, What Carnage is saying that as long as Bioware has not flat out told us they are working on DLC and when or how it will be released, it is still not 100% Guarenteed.  However knowing that bioware will keep its word as they always have done, I would not dismiss hudson's words either.

Bioware will keep its word???

LMAO.  Right, just like they did with Dragon Age 2 and the promises made with ME3....  They do not have the best track record of doing that.

Want a couple of examples?

1) I am currently in a very dedicated european Star Wars the old republic guild for roleplay and such. We had a fan meeting up in London in 2011 at the eurogamer exposition. Bioware both with ME3 and Swtor were there. They also had there developers and Stephen Reid with them. We managed to sneak in a few questions and asked them if we could be in the Beta since we missed the conference they were holding. They said sure.

We had to write down our email adresses and give it to them. Low and behold 1 week after eurogamer, we had our Closed beta invites for Sw:Tor.

2) I also managed to play mass Effect 3 there the first time and recieved some very nice background information that people here on BSN did not even know about.

I also met up with them in a special meet and greet session in London at gamerbase I think on Piccadilly circus.  Were we had some beers, snacks and played Sw:tor while we chatted about various bioware games from the past as well as those still come!

in short. Bioware never really let me down and they are amazing people.

We get it. You love Bioware (hell, you may even be working for them).  But for the rest us that don't trust Bioware, due to their recent public track record, will continue to remain skeptical of them. All we want are endings that are diverse, endings that make sense, and to get closure for the trilogy. Until then, we wait.

[Vap0ur_Snake]

IM REALLY SORRY ABOUT THE MASSIVE QUOTE FAIL THERE AND DOU LE POST SOMEHOW. I really wish they would sort this site out so you can scroll through txt on an iPhone. It's 2012 for ***** sake, the EA forum engine is absolutely terrible on a mobile device like and iPhone or iPad.