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[Pandoravv3]

earthonline wrote...

 I personally liked the endings

there are more than 16 endings in the game

and I found one I like

What about the poor color blind people!? Regardless, I'm glad you found an ending you liked.

[Hydralysk]

Janus382 wrote...

 I just want to let everyone know, that an acquaintance of mine, who hardly plays video games aside from SC2, just texted me asking what all the commotion is about ME3 and Retake... because his parents called and asked him about it.

Not sure where they heard about it... but news is getting around!

That's the best thing we could hope for.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 20 mars 2012 - 12:28 .

[Shinobu]

I reposted atghunter's "faux olive branch" discussion on the Operation:Goliath thread in News and Announcements last Friday night when the thing got started. It got taken down pretty rapidly. I suggest we keep reposting it to their Official announcements threads whenever they dangle a shiny in front of us.

I'm trying to get a sense of how many sales Bioware is losing (because obviously they won't tell us). I've created a poll for it, but it keeps getting lost in the rapidity of the forum. If you have gotten your friends to either buy or not buy ME3, please take my poll. I tried to make it unbiased so the people who liked the ending could feel able to respond. Originally I didn't post it to Retake threads, because that would bias my sample, but now I just want data.

http://social.biowar...50/polls/29839/

[Sorrel]

Just wanted to post my two cents in so far.
This has been a great thread, or at least what I can see from the constantly updated OP -- and thanks to the OP and atghunter and the other quality posters we've had here.

I'm known as uglynoodles elsewhere on the Internet. I do a lot of Mass Effect art, I occasionally dabble in writing stories, and I buy a lot of Mass Effect stuff. I have almost every piece of DLC I could get my hands on and have bought multiple copies of Mass Effect 1 and 2 on different platforms just to ensure I give money to the franchise I enjoy so much. You could call me an invested fan. I have the N7 and the Paragon symbols tattooed on my wrist! They're very meaningful to me and led me to meeting a bunch of new friends. I want to be a concept artist good enough to work in-house at Bioware or studios like it.

When "LeakGate" happened, I put on my blinkers and avoided spoilers not just to preserve my own experience, but out of respect for the hard work the BW team was doing to create something great. I waited with baited breath for this to come out since the second I finished ME2. I preordered the Collector's Edition of ME3 as soon as I could afford it and played it the second I could.

I haven't finished the game.

This whole outcry on the issue has really coloured my experience of the game. Despite trying to avoid it, I know enough peripherally about the ending without having played it to feel confused and disappointed, and I know enough to say that I'd want something different. I can't speak for what Bioware is doing in the PR department as I'm closer to the concept artists in scope, but I can say that I've been increasingly less enthused to play the game as the process goes along and this is not because of the quality of the writing or because of poor game mechanics, those areas I really enjoy and think are vast improvements over the previous instalments of the series.

My increasing lethargy with this is because now I know this is all heading into a direction I know I'm going to be dissatisfied with. I want to stress that this negative feeling isn't because Shepard's story is ending, or because Mass Effect as we know it is going to have to move on and evolve. It's because I am certain that despite being a ruthless completionist, I am going to feel disappointed. In ME1, Shepard survived, Saren's threat and Sovereign was neutralised, and we got to live to fight another day. In ME2, all my squad survived and we lived to fight another day. I was left with a sense of hope and accomplishment and satisfaction. I felt like my decisions mattered. As I am to understand, my choices regarding the characters will be relegated to nothing more than the colour of a special effect in an ending FMV.

Bioware, I know you have incredibly wonderful, talented people at your disposal. I personally chat to a couple of them over the Internet every now and then, and know one in person. They are great, hardworking, brilliant people. I know that as a company you can use these people for the assets they truly are and create brilliant alternate endings that will satisfy what the players want. Me included.

What would I like to see? Well, I think that my opinions will carry a little more weight once I've completed it, but I'm sure I don't speak solely for myself when I say not to necessarily directly replace the ending, but either add to it or create alternate ones. Alternate ones that choices will have affected.

I'll be sure to drop by and natter on some more tl;dr opinions once it's all said and done. But Bioware, let it be known, as a very loyal customer I am rattled by this and my gameplay experience is being affected.

Modifié par Sorrel, 20 mars 2012 - 12:30 .

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Hey I started a thread for this but it keep getting bumped down so since this has more or less become the thread for the retake movement I decided to post it here and get some comments.

I have an idea for a protest. You know in every cop on the edge style movie there is always a moment where the cop gets fed up with people playing around and letting the crook go so he turns in his badge as a sign that he is going to fight for the truth no matter what.

Well a lot of us got the collectors editon of ME3 I am guessing and we all got a N7 patch with it. What if we pick a date and then on that date we all just mail our N7 patches to Bioware?

Anyone like this idea?

I was thinking this saturday would be a good day to do it. i would like to run this by whoever runs the Retake Mass Effect Facebook page,anyone know how I could get a hold of this person?

If you have any thoughts you can PM me. thanks for your time.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Syrellaris]

Shinobu wrote...

I reposted atghunter's "faux olive branch" discussion on the Operation:Goliath thread in News and Announcements last Friday night when the thing got started. It got taken down pretty rapidly. I suggest we keep reposting it to their Official announcements threads whenever they dangle a shiny in front of us.

I'm trying to get a sense of how many sales Bioware is losing (because obviously they won't tell us). I've created a poll for it, but it keeps getting lost in the rapidity of the forum. If you have gotten your friends to either buy or not buy ME3, please take my poll. I tried to make it unbiased so the people who liked the ending could feel able to respond. Originally I didn't post it to Retake threads, because that would bias my sample, but now I just want data.

http://social.biowar...50/polls/29839/

Yes by all means keep doing that, its not like that generates hate for the movement.  When you signed up with these forums you agreed to the forum rules, and as the forum mods have explained countless times, keep the topics in the threads that are created for it.

Reposting this and everything else regarding this topic into threads that have nothing to do with it, will just get you banned or worse all topics regarding it locked. Including this one. So in short, you are not helping.

[cinderburster]

Syrellaris wrote...

We get it. You love Bioware (hell, you may even be working for them).  But for the rest us that don't trust Bioware, due to their recent public track record, will continue to remain skeptical of them. All we want are endings that are diverse, endings that make sense, and to get closure for the trilogy. Until then, we wait.

I wish I was working for them haha, sure would pay better then my current job. I love bioware because I've had nothing but good experiences with them, this one little ending thing isn't going to sway me so badly that I will never trust them again.

The fact is, I have spoken with some of them and they are truly passionate about the games they develop. You can call it PR if you will but when you are face to face with someone, were you can hear the emotion in there words and  see the passion they have for there job and what they create, well in short it gives you a much better understanding then you think.

I am not asking you to trust them, I am merely giving my point of view regarding them. I want some things changed just as much as you do, so in that we stand together.

I don't doubt what I put into bold for a second.  I visited a studio a couple of times before they had to cut a few employees (my relative among them), and every single person there was passionate about their work. 

Love the people.  It's not their fault.  Hell, some of them (maybe even all of them) may be upset that their endings haven't been recieved well.  It's probably crushing for some of them.

Be wary of the corporation, not the people.  Treat them with kindness and stand firm.  The best thing we can do is let them know that we appreciate them and their efforts, and that we only want to see the franchise they created that we love so much have the ending it deserves.

[Lyons6]

Good to see everyone is still so involved and vested in the outcome of this issue. Hopefully we get endings that gives closure to the whole war. I need to know who lived and died and how the other races fared and I wanted my first play through to have 'John Shepard' survive. I mean dammit the man's gone through enough I expect my choices to count for something.
So far ten of my friends have refused to purchase this game until they hear that we get the closure we paid for and expect from such a great story telling company. Until then I will not play SP or MP. Stay strong people and hold the line.

[Janus382]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

*snipped N7 patch idea post*

I know at least one guy mentioned that he was doing it like 50 pages ago, and in just the last few pages it's really been talked about, and has been ran by the Retake founder guy... mostly likely it's going to happen, just not sure when yet, afaik.

But it's a good idea!  Glad we're all on the same page.

[Lyons6]

Dear Mr Priestly this is a very important thread and deserves to be pinned, if you could find the time to do so I'm sure we would all greatly appreciate it.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Lyons6 wrote...

Good to see everyone is still so involved and vested in the outcome of this issue. Hopefully we get endings that gives closure to the whole war. I need to know who lived and died and how the other races fared and I wanted my first play through to have 'John Shepard' survive. I mean dammit the man's gone through enough I expect my choices to count for something.
So far ten of my friends have refused to purchase this game until they hear that we get the closure we paid for and expect from such a great story telling company. Until then I will not play SP or MP. Stay strong people and hold the line.

Well said.  Also I think one of our stated goal should be to get a patch that makes it so everyone can get all endings with out playing Multiplayer.  Anyone else agree.  Stay together people.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[SpiritReaver72]

Something that struck me while I listened to IGN's podcast about Mass Effect 3 and the IGN staff defending Bioware and their stance while continuing to try and marginalize us as entitled. They mentioned how Fallout 3s ending change was completely different from what we are demanding and a completely unfair comparison by us. I disagree but I decided to take into account what they said and see if what we are demanding is completely unprecedented; for a company to change around their game based on feedback from critics and fans. I kept having the nagging feeling that I was forgetting something and just before i gave up on the thought it hit me: Hydrophobia.

"Pete Jones, Joint Design Director for Dark Energy Digital spoke of the difficulties experienced in an interview with GamingNexus.com. "Criticism can be hard. You make games because you love games, perhaps on occasions we may have seemed a little too defensive and disappointed. Pride can be a big virtue as well because you need to be intensely proud of something you're creating in any endeavor." Jones further stated that it was difficult to accept that some consumers and critics disliked the game. He conceded that "if the community doesn’t like it we try and change it no matter whose toes we tread on."

I got that from wikipedia. This I got from IGN:

"Hydrophobia's developers aren't done listening to your feedback. This marks the first game I know of that allows you to send the developers constructive criticism while you play. At any time you can pause the action and vote up or down a variety of game aspects. Really cool stuff. "

It's been done before. It can be done again. There are some differences. In this case a developer went and made the changes on their own in response to criticisms. In Mass Effect 3's case there is a very focal fanbase that is very unhappy with the last 1% of the game and are so in love with, and inspired by, the series they want something better. My point is that one of the criticisms leveled against us is unfair. That it's apparently sacrosanct and wrong to want changes in a product we purchased. I believe in artistic integrity but video games are a unique medium in that they requite end user participation. I think that changes the dynamic a bit. Plenty of other games have let people down in the past, but this is the first time people have reacted this way, and have done what we've done. There's a reason for that. Hold the line.

#RetakeMassEffect

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Janus382 wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

*snipped N7 patch idea post*

I know at least one guy mentioned that he was doing it like 50 pages ago, and in just the last few pages it's really been talked about, and has been ran by the Retake founder guy... mostly likely it's going to happen, just not sure when yet, afaik.

But it's a good idea!  Glad we're all on the same page.

Yeah I think we should all do it on the same day so that they will arrive around the same time.  Who else thinks this is a good idea?  If so is Saturday good for everyone? 

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[hchadw]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Someone paid Yahoo a pretty penny to post this, then again it's Yahoo which is..bleh:

http://games.yahoo.c...-173411384.html

yeah i just blogged him and told him to go do some actual reading before he starts claiming he can write!

[mmdestiny]

Pandoravv3 wrote...

earthonline wrote...

 I personally liked the endings

there are more than 16 endings in the game

and I found one I like

What about the poor color blind people!? Regardless, I'm glad you found an ending you liked.

You have no idea how accurate this is.  As a very bad dichromat, I honestly couldn't tell the differences between the Destroy and Synergy endings aside from everyone having circuitry under their skin hahaha.

Modifié par mmdestiny, 20 mars 2012 - 12:47 .

[Jamesui]

earthonline wrote...

 I personally liked the endings

there are more than 16 endings in the game

and I found one I like

Henry Ford once said you could have your model T painted any color you like, so long as it was black. I think a similar sentiment applies to the 16 endings claim, though, on your behalf, I'm glad you like black. I hope you don't begrudge those among us who might have opted for teal or magenta. 

*Sigh* Or red, blue or green oh god someone shoot me for the colorpunnery. 

Our choices should matter - hold the line.

Modifié par Jamesui, 20 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Daira]

Shinobu wrote...

I reposted atghunter's "faux olive branch" discussion on the Operation:Goliath thread in News and Announcements last Friday night when the thing got started. It got taken down pretty rapidly. I suggest we keep reposting it to their Official announcements threads whenever they dangle a shiny in front of us.

I'm trying to get a sense of how many sales Bioware is losing (because obviously they won't tell us). I've created a poll for it, but it keeps getting lost in the rapidity of the forum. If you have gotten your friends to either buy or not buy ME3, please take my poll. I tried to make it unbiased so the people who liked the ending could feel able to respond. Originally I didn't post it to Retake threads, because that would bias my sample, but now I just want data.

http://social.biowar...50/polls/29839/

Two for each ME1, 2 and 3 + a whole raid guild not moving to SW:TOR. We'll go for an other MMORPG now.

Modifié par Daira, 20 mars 2012 - 12:44 .

[stargatefan1990]

No_MSG wrote...

Yeah, I don't know how you call the ending bleak. It's not... anything. It would be bleak if someone could explain what happened. From what I saw in my ending, it was a super mega happy ending, except that Shepard died. "Shepard died space diving, but everyone else is on this planet, and everything is gum drops and lollypops." That's what I got out of my ending.

My preferred ending is far more bleak. I refuse to choose, and the galaxy burns.

it's not bleak, Really? in mass effect 2 the Arrival it was established that when a mass Relay explodes it takes the local solar system with it, never mind the plot holes of WTF is joker and the rest of your squad Running away? no way they new what was going on. just a couple out of a lot of problems

Edit: Our choices should matter: Hold The Line!

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 20 mars 2012 - 12:48 .

[Nightfire78]

cinderburster wrote...

....

Be wary of the corporation, not the people.  Treat them with kindness and stand firm.  The best thing we can do is let them know that we appreciate them and their efforts, and that we only want to see the franchise they created that we love so much have the ending it deserves.

Well said.

Hold the line!

[Gudmoore]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Yeah I think we should all do it on the same day so that they will arrive around the same time.  Who else thinks this is a good idea?  If so is Saturday good for everyone? 

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

No, I think it overcomplicates the idea.

[Damate]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Hey I started a thread for this but it keep getting bumped down so since this has more or less become the thread for the retake movement I decided to post it here and get some comments.

I have an idea for a protest. You know in every cop on the edge style movie there is always a moment where the cop gets fed up with people playing around and letting the crook go so he turns in his badge as a sign that he is going to fight for the truth no matter what.

Well a lot of us got the collectors editon of ME3 I am guessing and we all got a N7 patch with it. What if we pick a date and then on that date we all just mail our N7 patches to Bioware?

Anyone like this idea?

I was thinking this saturday would be a good day to do it. i would like to run this by whoever runs the Retake Mass Effect Facebook page,anyone know how I could get a hold of this person?

If you have any thoughts you can PM me. thanks for your time.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

Yeah, a few of us started really talking about this idea a couple of pages back and I guess it's been popping up here and there for a while! Myself and another poster - Agamemnon - sent FB PM's to the RetakeME3 page. I also got in touch with the person who put up the thread regarding the FB page and the Child's Play drive: I got a response from them saying they'd pass on word to the admin/organizer at FB, so just waiting to hear back.

Apparently he's having some issues with FB messages going through, so if you want to try and drop a line about this as well, do so! Trying to see if we can't tie it to one of their letter campaigns and hopefully organize, get the word out so there's a good showing.

And just to be clear:
a) the current idea is to send in N7 Patches from the CE with polite/civil letters to Bioware's ME branch.
For those who don't have the patch, someone suggested printing/clipping this pic images.darkhorse.com/covers/300/20/20732.jpg and sending it in lieu of the real patch.
c) currently some of us are trying to see if we can link the idea to/with the folks at www.facebook.com/DemandABetterEndingToMassEffect3 - hopefully updates will eb forthcoming if someone gets a response.

[Candoo]

Sypher_KoS wrote...

I still wouldn't be pleased by the fact that I spent 70 bucks on an incomplete game.  DLC should be used to enhance an experiance not give you the ending to your game.  If the theory is true and this was all planned from the start, then I don't like the presidence that is being set.  Bioware/EA has placed themselves in a lose-lose situation. 

Either: 1) They released a game they knew wasn't ready and hoped we wouldn't notice or care until they were done with the DLC

Or: 2) They are trying to squeeze the last egg from this golden goose so hard that even Capcom would flinch with a DLc ending plan

Or: 3)They really did think they had made one great finale to the series that everyone would enjoy and are now thinking about scrambling

Incompetent, greedy or out of touch, choose your color.

Now Johnny, let's show the folks what's behind door number 4.

Not saying it is so, but I have thought about this since completing the game last week, and trying to keep pace reading the forums. IF the ending was indeed an indoctrination ending, with Shepard surviving, it DOES leave the door open for them (possibly pre-planned) for them to release further DLC, or a continuation of the series. If you think about it logically, Bioware has already stated that there is more DLC to come. What would be the sense IF the game has indeed ended. Perhaps this is why Bioware is mum about everything, and will look like the heros giving us, the fans, what we want and have asked for.

[Diablos2525]

Our choices should matter- holding the line .

[Janus382]

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Yeah I think we should all do it on the same day so that they will arrive around the same time.  Who else thinks this is a good idea?  If so is Saturday good for everyone? 

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

EDIT: What Shygravel said like two posts above me 

Considering that Retake on Facebook probably as a lot more attentive users, we should coordinate with them, to maximize impact.  So whenever they announce the date for the next letter writing campaign (if they haven't already), I'll be sending my patch in then.

Modifié par Janus382, 20 mars 2012 - 12:52 .

[Vap0ur_Snake]

Janus382 wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

*snipped N7 patch idea post*

I know at least one guy mentioned that he was doing it like 50 pages ago, and in just the last few pages it's really been talked about, and has been ran by the Retake founder guy... mostly likely it's going to happen, just not sure when yet, afaik.

But it's a good idea!  Glad we're all on the same page.

And regarding getting in contact with the guy who started the FB page... As I said before if you just send a PM to the page itself hell get back to you... He's very active when he's not working or whatever. 

Me myself I don't have the CE so I'll be sending a paper cutout.... Feels like a really weak substitute though