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[Xellith]

we were made promises by bioware and they blew it on so many levels. There is even a thread detailing the promises made and the ones that were broken. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE IT IN OUR COMPUTERS READY TO PLAY.

Anything else is just asking for a letdown. We cannot lose this momentum.

[shephard987]

http://www.gamejudgm...odbyes-finished

Another New Article neutral (but sort of siding against BioWare) in nature.
Fun read.
Enjoy.

HOLD THE LINE

[Vap0ur_Snake]

Gudmoore wrote...

DoctorCrowtgamer wrote...

Yeah I think we should all do it on the same day so that they will arrive around the same time.  Who else thinks this is a good idea?  If so is Saturday good for everyone? 

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

No, I think it overcomplicates the idea.

And us sending them from the UK and Europe will take like a week or soto get there anyway. 

[Carnage752]

Xellith wrote...

we were made promises by bioware and they blew it on so many levels. There is even a thread detailing the promises made and the ones that were broken. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE IT IN OUR COMPUTERS READY TO PLAY.

Anything else is just asking for a letdown. We cannot lose this momentum.

Well said. We don't stop this movement until the second our download on the ending fix is 100%.

[Daira]

stargatefan1990 wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

Yeah, I don't know how you call the ending bleak. It's not... anything. It would be bleak if someone could explain what happened. From what I saw in my ending, it was a super mega happy ending, except that Shepard died. "Shepard died space diving, but everyone else is on this planet, and everything is gum drops and lollypops." That's what I got out of my ending.

My preferred ending is far more bleak. I refuse to choose, and the galaxy burns.

it's not bleak, Really? in mass effect 2 the Arrival it was established that when a mass Relay explodes it takes the local solar system with it, never mind the plot holes of WTF is joker and the rest of your squad Running away? no way they new what was going on. just a couple out of a lot of problems

Edit: Our choices should matter: Hold The Line!

These are different kinds of explosions this time! Didn't you know that? And I bet that the Krogans will survive the longest, eating anyone else who is also now trapped in the solar system.

Modifié par Daira, 20 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[Candoo]

I wonder if Bioware/EA has Yahoo in their pocket. I posted a comment on that Yahoo article, quoting Hudson from the article http://www.fmvmagazine.com/?p=6565 , and they have deleted my comment. Things that make you go hmmm.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Xellith wrote...

we were made promises by bioware and they blew it on so many levels. There is even a thread detailing the promises made and the ones that were broken. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING UNTIL WE HAVE IT IN OUR COMPUTERS READY TO PLAY.

Anything else is just asking for a letdown. We cannot lose this momentum.

Well said.

Please don't fall for this people.  We are about to win don't fall for this 11th hour trick.  Stick together so that we can win.  this is the same PR speak they have been using since this began and these are same people who have lied to us all along.  Please don't take defeat from the jaws of victory.  please I know it's hard and you want to believe but this is a trap,don't fall for it.  wait until new ending is released before ending the movement.  please we have worked so hard don't let it be fore nothing.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[shephard987]

Candoo wrote...

I wonder if Bioware/EA has Yahoo in their pocket. I posted a comment on that Yahoo article, quoting Hudson from the article http://www.fmvmagazine.com/?p=6565 , and they have deleted my comment. Things that make you go hmmm.

Did you cite the source? Meaning, website and author included in the quote? 

[joopark]

Awesome update!

We all spent countless hours on the entire Mass Effect trilogy and we deserve a better ending. It is still mind numbing how BioWare thought they could get away with such a half-assed ending and still have the nerve to say it was great.

We, as consumers, have the right to voice our displeasure with the ending. BioWare told me my choices mattered in Mass Effect and up till the ending of Mass Effect 3 I believed that! Again, for those who think people want a happy ending with roses, your wrong! We just want endings that make sense. I don't an ending where Joker is running away and somehow manages to scoop up my squad mates that were with me running towards the beam. I don't want to be told that this game has 16 different endings when really it's just the same cinematic with different colors!

Hold the line!

[Janus382]

Ignore this.  Misread what I was replying to 

Modifié par Janus382, 20 mars 2012 - 01:01 .

[Candoo]

shephard987 wrote...

Candoo wrote...

I wonder if Bioware/EA has Yahoo in their pocket. I posted a comment on that Yahoo article, quoting Hudson from the article http://www.fmvmagazine.com/?p=6565 , and they have deleted my comment. Things that make you go hmmm.

Did you cite the source? Meaning, website and author included in the quote? 

Sure did.

[shephard987]

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Sure did.

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Then I think they're being sore losers when shown their point is moot. 
Keep fighting the good fight. 
It shows we're onto something when they delete our honest to god opinions. 

HOLD THE LINE

[BostonVamp]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

BostonVamp wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

If you send in the patches BW / EA will probably just re-distribute the patches and you may actually have saved them some money.

Hmm, perhaps a permanent marker wrting something to the effect of 'we will hold'

That isn't the point, though. Sure, they may do that, but honestly, think of something that has more symbolic value than the N7 logo, especially in this situation. It's like a sign from the gods that the patch was included in the CE. And if you don't have a patch (or don't want to send yours to keep them from reusing it), mail a paper cut-out of the logo. Same effect, and now they can't package it in anything else. (I'm fairly certain they won't be producing any more CEs anyway, though.)

Not saying it should or shouldn't be done...just thinking through unintended consequences.

Nah, don't worry, I got that. Sorry if I came off rude. I was just playing the other side of the fence.

No harm, no foul.

[billyzero]

I've had comments on yahoo not show up or disappear, I think their system just isn't that great and hopefully nothing more than that.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

People please remember how many times we have been lied to in the past just today they tried lying again about not needing MP to get all Sop endings,please don't trust them. Don't change your stance until the new ending DLC has been released,until then stand together and don't let them trick,break,or out last us. Please we worked so hard don't let them win now when we are so close.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[shephard987]

BostonVamp wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

BostonVamp wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

If you send in the patches BW / EA will probably just re-distribute the patches and you may actually have saved them some money.

Hmm, perhaps a permanent marker wrting something to the effect of 'we will hold'

That isn't the point, though. Sure, they may do that, but honestly, think of something that has more symbolic value than the N7 logo, especially in this situation. It's like a sign from the gods that the patch was included in the CE. And if you don't have a patch (or don't want to send yours to keep them from reusing it), mail a paper cut-out of the logo. Same effect, and now they can't package it in anything else. (I'm fairly certain they won't be producing any more CEs anyway, though.)

Not saying it should or shouldn't be done...just thinking through unintended consequences.

Nah, don't worry, I got that. Sorry if I came off rude. I was just playing the other side of the fence.

No harm, no foul.

See, BioWare/EA/all haters of this movement everywhere? 
Do you know what's missing in almost every natural or human disasters more than not? 

Civility. 

[Sypher_KoS]

Candoo wrote...

Sypher_KoS wrote...

I still wouldn't be pleased by the fact that I spent 70 bucks on an incomplete game.  DLC should be used to enhance an experiance not give you the ending to your game.  If the theory is true and this was all planned from the start, then I don't like the presidence that is being set.  Bioware/EA has placed themselves in a lose-lose situation. 

Either: 1) They released a game they knew wasn't ready and hoped we wouldn't notice or care until they were done with the DLC

Or: 2) They are trying to squeeze the last egg from this golden goose so hard that even Capcom would flinch with a DLc ending plan

Or: 3)They really did think they had made one great finale to the series that everyone would enjoy and are now thinking about scrambling

Incompetent, greedy or out of touch, choose your color.

Now Johnny, let's show the folks what's behind door number 4.

Not saying it is so, but I have thought about this since completing the game last week, and trying to keep pace reading the forums. IF the ending was indeed an indoctrination ending, with Shepard surviving, it DOES leave the door open for them (possibly pre-planned) for them to release further DLC, or a continuation of the series. If you think about it logically, Bioware has already stated that there is more DLC to come. What would be the sense IF the game has indeed ended. Perhaps this is why Bioware is mum about everything, and will look like the heros giving us, the fans, what we want and have asked for.

If it was the plan all along then somebody seriously miscalculated our response.  It would be akin to treating your girlfriend like garbage for a month before you proposed to her so she would be so happy you were asking for her hand.  She would probably leave you. *hint hint* Bioware.

As I said, an ending to your franchise is not DLC.  Retaking Omega is DLC.  Aiding the Volus/Elcor/Batarians is DLC.  Extended missions with characters from ME2 that you wanted more time with like they did with Liara in LoTSB is DLC.  If they were worried about nobody buying DLC they shouldn't have because replayability is one of the things that makes this series great.  Give us the choice driven different endings you promised and everyone would have been shelling out money to play again, striving for another ending.

Now I'm wary and hesitant to give them money in fear of getting burned.  Whatever magic wand they plan to use to fix this may not be enough.  Space magic only exists in video games.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

BostonVamp wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

BostonVamp wrote...

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

Sinnick03 wrote...

If you send in the patches BW / EA will probably just re-distribute the patches and you may actually have saved them some money.

Hmm, perhaps a permanent marker wrting something to the effect of 'we will hold'

That isn't the point, though. Sure, they may do that, but honestly, think of something that has more symbolic value than the N7 logo, especially in this situation. It's like a sign from the gods that the patch was included in the CE. And if you don't have a patch (or don't want to send yours to keep them from reusing it), mail a paper cut-out of the logo. Same effect, and now they can't package it in anything else. (I'm fairly certain they won't be producing any more CEs anyway, though.)

Not saying it should or shouldn't be done...just thinking through unintended consequences.

Nah, don't worry, I got that. Sorry if I came off rude. I was just playing the other side of the fence.

No harm, no foul.

I like the idea of writing we will hold on the patches.

Hold the line for as long as it takes people.

[Vap0ur_Snake]

Ok brothers and sisters. I'm gonna get some sleep so I can get up ata reasonable time tomorrow and see what's going here.

I'll see you guys tomorrow.

Hold the line until the end..... Then Hold it a little longer just to make sure.


OUR CHOICES MATTER....... RETAKE MASS EFFECT



Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect 3
Mass Effect 3 ( don't know if that'll work typing the name out a few times, lol)

Modifié par Vap0ur_Snake, 20 mars 2012 - 01:08 .

[Raygne]

I honestly don't think they can really ignore this problem. It will have some big ramifications if they do. I always believed that they truly cared about their games. Even if you blame this on EA and time issues, Bioware needs to step up and fix it. I hate to admit it but if they pushed it out and planned to release the ending later, I would be ok with it. I know it makes little sense, but it would show they still do care.

But it this was really to be the ending, then they need to seriously make some staff changes. I would be happy to write some logical endings based on decision for free.

If they fix the ending, we will never know if it was planned or a response. That secret will be buried. But I have a hard time believing that not one person there didn't speak up. It's not hard to believe people want to be a hero, or that you removed our freedom of choice which is integral to the design.

[DoctorCrowtgamer]

Just remember people stick with it until the DLC is released no matter how long it takes and we will win in the end.

[donbaloo]

Hey guys, just wanted to revisit to see how the cause is treating ya. I'm one of the outsiders that is largely happy with the game but it's been fun watching this unfold and I definitely hope you get what you need to be satisfied with this thing that we love. That said, a few nuggets of advice and some morale bolstering for you:

1. Please do your best to stay away from the statistical arguments. They do not help your cause because none of the data available has true statistical relevance, in the mathematical sense. It doesn't mean that your numbers are worthless though. What it likely means is that you have a very powerful weapon to be focused at DLC, which is what you're gunning for anyway! But for your reputation, try to refrain from extrapolating anything statistical from your polling numbers.

2. Keep remaining civil with those of us that don't have a lot of beef with the ending. Join our threads and have fun but just keep using your manners. Most in this cause seem to be doing well with that, but it's going to get tougher as more positive threads start rolling in here. If you can't be nice, take a deep breath and move along.

3. Be vigilant for the newcomers that are unhappy. When you see those threads, jump in and immediately offer links to this thread, the plot holes thread, and any others that you find beneficial to your stance. Give them a place to familiarize themselves and get on board with you. You guys are doing pretty well on this front though. I don't always see the link back to here though, so don't forget that.

4. Remember that not all of us on the other side are actively opposing you. We don't share your camp but we're not trying to stop you either. Most of us aren't traveling around to all of the sites and voting in the various polls because we don't have a vested interest like you have. We got what we wanted from the game so voting around the Internet is purposeless for us.

5. Some folks in my camp will adopt an aggressively opposing view, even though we have no vested interest, simply because it's human nature. People like to take sides and find purpose. If I'm indifferent or merely mildly of differing opinion than you, but you try to engage in discourse very aggressively because of how passionately you feel about your side...I'm far more likely to shift my position to be more aggressively opposed simply out of defense. Thats just what happens. Egos get involved at that point and suddenly you've found yourself an opponent to debate where there wasnt one before, expending vital energy from your cause, while you spend the next three pages of exchanges just getting frustrated and angry. Keep that in mind as some of you may be actively creating opposition from what would otherwise be a cordial and civilized disagreement.
6. But don't lose heart if you feel tired or frustrated with those of us who don't agree. BECAUSE YOU WILL OUTLAST US EVERY TIME, I PROMISE. Again, you have a vested interest, something tangible to fight for. We don't really have that. Again, we got what we wanted from the game so there's no reason for us to hang around debating all these finer points. Other than just having egos engaged in the debate, theres nothing on the line for my camp, nothing to REALLY win. You have a prize at the end, something to keep coming back to the boards for. Use that to bolster you when it looks like theres an endless supply of folks like me that want to talk positively about the game. We got what we wanted. Now get what you want.

Patting you on the shoulder as you...well you know by now. Hold Your Line amigos.

[ThePanzer99]

Raygne wrote...

I honestly don't think they can really ignore this problem. It will have some big ramifications if they do. I always believed that they truly cared about their games. Even if you blame this on EA and time issues, Bioware needs to step up and fix it. I hate to admit it but if they pushed it out and planned to release the ending later, I would be ok with it. I know it makes little sense, but it would show they still do care.

But it this was really to be the ending, then they need to seriously make some staff changes. I would be happy to write some logical endings based on decision for free.

If they fix the ending, we will never know if it was planned or a response. That secret will be buried. But I have a hard time believing that not one person there didn't speak up. It's not hard to believe people want to be a hero, or that you removed our freedom of choice which is integral to the design.

That made me think of one of the shuttle disasters, where management was warned by the engineers. BUT the engineers were ignored by the management. The management literally did not "hear" the engineers, they were conditioned to ignore them due to the cultural climate at NASA with the political/manager types and the engineers at the bottom who made the whole thing work. I wonder if people did speak up at Bioware, but simply didn't register with management who were in their own world of "artistic creativity"

[MeldarthX]

Mister Mida wrote...

Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...

In the meantime, however, it gives us the ammunition to show that, since we are above such petty insults, those who are, in fact, the childish ones, are the ones accusing us.

I would've thought that by now we've learned to focus on our own strength rather on the weakness of those that oppose us.

But the great book Art of War - and many have already said; the PR will have read it; and will be using it; because the tatics are sound.....


Turn your enemies strengths against them - when IGN decides to rip on us and say things - easiest thing to do is simply point to their own poll on FB - things like that - if they got rabid - let them.......rest of the people in the sub will see.......We're seeing their full PR deflect and distract in effect and its not working......

HOLD THE LINE.

[stargatefan1990]

Daira wrote...

stargatefan1990 wrote...

No_MSG wrote...

Yeah, I don't know how you call the ending bleak. It's not... anything. It would be bleak if someone could explain what happened. From what I saw in my ending, it was a super mega happy ending, except that Shepard died. "Shepard died space diving, but everyone else is on this planet, and everything is gum drops and lollypops." That's what I got out of my ending.

My preferred ending is far more bleak. I refuse to choose, and the galaxy burns.

it's not bleak, Really? in mass effect 2 the Arrival it was established that when a mass Relay explodes it takes the local solar system with it, never mind the plot holes of WTF is joker and the rest of your squad Running away? no way they new what was going on. just a couple out of a lot of problems

Edit: Our choices should matter: Hold The Line!

These are different kinds of explosions this time! Didn't you know that? And I bet that the Krogans will survive the longest, eating anyone else who is also now trapped in the solar system.

i missed that Memo lol anyway it still dosent change a thing we did not get the ending's we were promised

Edit: Our choices Should matter and the Endings were promised to be varied: Hold the Line

Modifié par stargatefan1990, 20 mars 2012 - 01:18 .