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donbaloo wrote...
Snipped for length.
Patting you on the shoulder as you...well you know by now. Hold Your Line amigos.
Modifié par Michotic, 20 mars 2012 - 01:20 .
Vap0ur_Snake wrote...
And us sending them from the UK and Europe will take like a week or so to get there anyway.
stargatefan1990 wrote...
i missed that Memo lol anyway it still dosent change a thing we did not get the ending's we were promisedDaira wrote...
stargatefan1990 wrote...
No_MSG wrote...
Yeah, I don't know how you call the ending bleak. It's not... anything. It would be bleak if someone could explain what happened. From what I saw in my ending, it was a super mega happy ending, except that Shepard died. "Shepard died space diving, but everyone else is on this planet, and everything is gum drops and lollypops." That's what I got out of my ending.
My preferred ending is far more bleak. I refuse to choose, and the galaxy burns.
it's not bleak, Really? in mass effect 2 the Arrival it was established that when a mass Relay explodes it takes the local solar system with it, never mind the plot holes of WTF is joker and the rest of your squad Running away? no way they new what was going on. just a couple out of a lot of problems
Edit: Our choices should matter: Hold The Line!
These are different kinds of explosions this time! Didn't you know that? And I bet that the Krogans will survive the longest, eating anyone else who is also now trapped in the solar system.
Edit: Our choices Should matter and the Endings were promised to be varied: Hold the Line
Modifié par Totally Not Swaggacide, 20 mars 2012 - 01:23 .
donbaloo wrote...
Hey guys, just wanted to revisit to see how the cause is treating ya. I'm one of the outsiders that is largely happy with the game but it's been fun watching this unfold and I definitely hope you get what you need to be satisfied with this thing that we love. That said, a few nuggets of advice and some morale bolstering for you:
1. Please do your best to stay away from the statistical arguments. They do not help your cause because none of the data available has true statistical relevance, in the mathematical sense. It doesn't mean that your numbers are worthless though. What it likely means is that you have a very powerful weapon to be focused at DLC, which is what you're gunning for anyway! But for your reputation, try to refrain from extrapolating anything statistical from your polling numbers.
2. Keep remaining civil with those of us that don't have a lot of beef with the ending. Join our threads and have fun but just keep using your manners. Most in this cause seem to be doing well with that, but it's going to get tougher as more positive threads start rolling in here. If you can't be nice, take a deep breath and move along.
3. Be vigilant for the newcomers that are unhappy. When you see those threads, jump in and immediately offer links to this thread, the plot holes thread, and any others that you find beneficial to your stance. Give them a place to familiarize themselves and get on board with you. You guys are doing pretty well on this front though. I don't always see the link back to here though, so don't forget that.
4. Remember that not all of us on the other side are actively opposing you. We don't share your camp but we're not trying to stop you either. Most of us aren't traveling around to all of the sites and voting in the various polls because we don't have a vested interest like you have. We got what we wanted from the game so voting around the Internet is purposeless for us.
5. Some folks in my camp will adopt an aggressively opposing view, even though we have no vested interest, simply because it's human nature. People like to take sides and find purpose. If I'm indifferent or merely mildly of differing opinion than you, but you try to engage in discourse very aggressively because of how passionately you feel about your side...I'm far more likely to shift my position to be more aggressively opposed simply out of defense. Thats just what happens. Egos get involved at that point and suddenly you've found yourself an opponent to debate where there wasnt one before, expending vital energy from your cause, while you spend the next three pages of exchanges just getting frustrated and angry. Keep that in mind as some of you may be actively creating opposition from what would otherwise be a cordial and civilized disagreement.
6. But don't lose heart if you feel tired or frustrated with those of us who don't agree. BECAUSE YOU WILL OUTLAST US EVERY TIME, I PROMISE. Again, you have a vested interest, something tangible to fight for. We don't really have that. Again, we got what we wanted from the game so there's no reason for us to hang around debating all these finer points. Other than just having egos engaged in the debate, theres nothing on the line for my camp, nothing to REALLY win. You have a prize at the end, something to keep coming back to the boards for. Use that to bolster you when it looks like theres an endless supply of folks like me that want to talk positively about the game. We got what we wanted. Now get what you want.
Patting you on the shoulder as you...well you know by now. Hold Your Line amigos.
Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
BREAKING NEWS: Bioware responds to our complaints about the ME3 endings. They had this to say:
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Michotic wrote...
Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
BREAKING NEWS: Bioware responds to our complaints about the ME3 endings. They had this to say:
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I appreciate humor, but remember, we're going for civility here. I think that might be a wee bit inflammatory for this type of thread.
Lyons6 wrote...
Dear Mr Priestly this is a very important thread and deserves to be pinned, if you could find the time to do so I'm sure we would all greatly appreciate it.
Modifié par Radwar, 20 mars 2012 - 01:28 .
Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
BREAKING NEWS: Bioware responds to our complaints about the ME3 endings. They had this to say:
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Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
Michotic wrote...
Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
BREAKING NEWS: Bioware responds to our complaints about the ME3 endings. They had this to say:
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I appreciate humor, but remember, we're going for civility here. I think that might be a wee bit inflammatory for this type of thread.
sorry, im just pissed we have to play nice when they are just screwing with us
Modifié par LeoSpike, 20 mars 2012 - 01:35 .
Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
sorry, im just pissed we have to play nice when they are just screwing with us
shephard987 wrote...
Guys the charity site is back online.
67,980 at the moment.
Donate more to round out some numbers and fill a few kids stomachs!
Hold the Line
Michotic wrote...
Totally Not Swaggacide wrote...
sorry, im just pissed we have to play nice when they are just screwing with us
I'm not happy either, but being civil is one of our best weapons. The minute we can be marginalized as a 'few crazed fans' or '<insert your title here>', we're in serious trouble.
Thank you very much. We are glad to have your voice with ours.LeoSpike wrote...
<Greets all>
I'm new to this thread but not to the current issue(s) discussed here. My compliments to the folks on both sides who get their ideas across in a civil and constructive manner.
I've been lurking around the net, gathering information from all sides in order to form an opinion, maybe already having been said somethere else.
EA/BioWare has a lot at stake here other than just profit. Most companies have short and longer-term plans for their divisions (annual goal, 2-year goal, etc.) in order to provide potential investors and shareholders a roadmap for how the corporation will grow. Without these business plans, a company cannot attract new shareholders, get venture capital for new projects, or borrow money to re-finance ongoing projects. A lot of the profit made on ME3 has to go back to the shareholders. Most of it is not pocketed by the company officers. Shareholders in the company expect products to make a profit and to keep the share prices reasonably steady...a little up or down doesn't cause immediate panic, but the investment has to be seen as potentially profitable, whether short or long term, or investers walk away and find a company that is more "stable". Dissatisfied customers = instability.
I don't believe that BioWare set out to make a product unsatisfying to it's customers. However, as a Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate, it seems that there is a pattern and a template to making a game within a set budget, with an anticipated margin of profit, while giving the creative staff as much freedon as that budget will allow. When you look at the qualtiy writing in previous BioWare products as compared to ME3, it strikes me that BioWare was working under very tight constraints on budget for ME3. When that happens many original ideas and little extras to enhance the player's experience get stripped out, writing gets less descriptive in order to save VO and rendering time, extra story, gameplay and graphics options get left out and sometimes even something gamers feel is necessary for immersion gets dropped. It's all a risk. Balance budget versus alienating a section of the targeted demographic for your product. That may be what happened here, but just my opinion.
I haven't finished my first playthrough for many reasons. They've been expertly covered in this thread and many others on this forum. But to boil it all down to one sentence: Some of the most crucial decisions my Shepard made in ME1 and ME2 are either retconned, casually dismissed, or not addressed at all in ME3. The endings (seen them all on YouTube), whether "good" or "less good" or "bad" are disconnected from the previous storyline and choices. I don't think I'll finish a playthrough until BioWare responds...one way or the other.
I've got my envelope addressed to BioWare Edmonton right next to me. I'll enclose a letter stating why I am dissatisfied with the game as it is, provide some constructive suggestions supporting many ideas in this forum and others, stay on topic and civil, and ask BioWare to respond.
I'm not a person to say a lot, but this issue has prompted me to speak up. I lend you my support, if you'll let me participate. I just ask one thing in return: please don't argue with those who have a differing opinion or who throw insults. They're trying to get your attention off of your goal. They have a right to their opinion. So do you. Leave it at that and pursue your goal with single-minded attention. I'm amazed at the activity on the net and the attention this mas gotten in the media. It's a good thing. Keep going. I'll add my voice to yours.
atghunter wrote...
Greetings All!
Been home for a bit, but I was wading through 38 pages of really fun reads! (takes a while for my C-64 to page refresh)
No PR below and I'm not a philosopher, but just an old gamer's view of something:
What is happening here is genuinely incredible! To watch the speed, passion and diversity of things being discussed is something I hope everyone here takes an occasional moment to just sit back and watch from time to time. The way new people are welcomed, veterans help people get caught up to speed, people darting off to write letters, contact others, etc. is a marvel and a dynamic Bioware/EA could have never planned for.
Does it get testy at times? Sure. I continue to implore everyone to remain civil. If an offense is taken, simply apologize. I've said it before (and others have said it better), no matter what side of this you are on, you likely have more in common with each other than not.
Spend a day or two here and you'll see that you are getting to know people. People from places you've never seen and faces you may never recognize in person, but know them regardless. We have peacemakers, deep thinkers, firebrands, and even a resident devil's advocate. And they all belong here! Why? Because every one of you is a consumer, a customer, and a voice.
I've watched an older gamer in the U.S. conversing with a younger players in Holland like they are neighbors, people from Germany giving encouragement to people feeling down Canada, and more great interactions than the best fiction writers could ever dream in a lifetime. It’s humbling and I just wanted to thank each of you for making an old gamer proud as heck to be here. /salute
We'll hit rough patches. But if you mis-speak or let yourself go to far, you are no weaker for apologizing. Do I want the game endings fixed? Darn right I do. Will I keep holding the line? Absolutely, right up to the end when Bioware/EA chooses how they want to end this fiasco. But no matter how this finishes, you've done so very well, each of you.
More individual stuff in a moment, but this just needs to be said by itself.
Stay strong, stay passionate, stay civil and use your voice no matter what side you take!
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