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[sabasebatyne]

EsterCloat wrote...


I can't believe they did this intentionally, ruin the ending I mean. No one could make something like this and intentionally say "we should mess this thing up at the end!" unless their planning of torching the franchise and running.

As much as it pains me, they probably just thought it actually was a good ending. And those who didn't just kept their mouths shut in order to not rock the boat. The George Lucas effect if you will, just concentrated on the ending.

While I concur that the intention was probably not to tick off the fans, it is the current response, or lack thereof, that annoys me.

[IndustrializedTaco]

sabasebatyne wrote...

EsterCloat wrote...


I can't believe they did this intentionally, ruin the ending I mean. No one could make something like this and intentionally say "we should mess this thing up at the end!" unless their planning of torching the franchise and running.

As much as it pains me, they probably just thought it actually was a good ending. And those who didn't just kept their mouths shut in order to not rock the boat. The George Lucas effect if you will, just concentrated on the ending.

While I concur that the intention was probably not to tick off the fans, it is the current response, or lack thereof, that annoys me.

I imagine it's hard to admit anything is wrong with their product. They need to however, they need to change it cause people are so pissed right now Bioware will be no more, and EA will take a major dive from this.

[CaptainBlackGold]

If script writing for a game is anything like it is for a movie, then what happens is that the "lead" or producer comes up with the plot and the writers fill in the blanks. Sure, it is collaberative and all, but if the boss decides he wants the game/movie to end one way, the writers have no choice.

So, it is not like writing a novel where the author has control over the entire plot/characters, etc. Therefore I do not blame the writers for the bad ending but whoever had the authority to make the final decision. Some bosses are better than others; some listen, some don't. There is a word, "hubris" that can and does destroy the greatest concepts/goals. I suspect that this may have been the cause of the ending that so many of us dislike.

[wheelierdan]

i think if this was all a master plot, they would have come forward by now, just because of the ruin its doing to the bottomline.

reminds me of that scene in the first office episode where michael decides to fake fire pam because he thinks its funny ... when she starts crying the jokes over.

no, thats just the denial stage of grief, you don't want to accept this horrible mess was intentional, and i was there a few days ago, trust me.

[c3pu2]

i still cant believe that they realy thought this end was good

[c3pu2]

remember those great heros of past battles
marauder shields who died trying to save us
shepard who went against all ods after being told so many times it was useless
did they break the line no
now is our time
we raised money for a charity but before that we held the line
we crossed the 40k like on facebook but before that we held the line
we became legion to fight for our conviction but before that we held the line
we fought amoughst ourselves to come out stronger but before that we held the line
we were fed false information but did not take the bait but before that we held the line
we were offered a mp event to distract us and it did not work but before that we held the line
so until we get what we want
WE WILL HOLD THE LINE

[Nithe]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

*snip*

There is a word, "hubris" that can and does destroy the greatest concepts/goals. I suspect that this may have been the cause of the ending that so many of us dislike.

I keep picturing Casey as Icarus, flying too close to the sun.

[Demyx_IX]

 Playing SWTOR now instead of ME3. Enough said. 

[LGH2008]

I found it funny how in the beginning when this movement wasn't as expansive as it is now Bioware was pretty much egging it on with comments like, (paraphrasing) maybe it all isn't what it seems to be, and maybe that's something that you should play close attention to.

Pretty much as if this had all been plan to be this was to bring room from extra content, which from there own answers and statements was proven to be incorrect. They created an ending to leave you with "speculation" and had no plans on releasing post dlc.

Now all we hear is you're feedback has been received and sent to the developers or why did you not like it?... PR taking control, without a shadow of a doubt.

Great board though. Keep up the great work Mass Effect Fans!

[wheelierdan]

that's the main reason i cant wait to hear writers justify it. I just have to know what brought them to that end.

these are the people who took fan corrections of the latest book and said, wow good job guys we are fixing this for all future printings... They understood how important the integrity of the source material was.

the ending to mass effect 3 reads like someone who saw the matrix trilogy, or perhaps deus ex 1, loves some of the themes and hurriedly wrote some fan fiction, instead of researching the material.

[IndustrializedTaco]

Nithe wrote...

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

*snip*

There is a word, "hubris" that can and does destroy the greatest concepts/goals. I suspect that this may have been the cause of the ending that so many of us dislike.

I keep picturing Casey as Icarus, flying too close to the sun.

This reminds of the story of Oedipus. The king who acceidently killed his father, who was the king before him. Of course the Greek play has Oedipus marrying his mother, and birthing two children... but you get what I mean right?
This is the perfect example of the tragic hero.

Modifié par beetlebailey123, 20 mars 2012 - 03:52 .

[sabasebatyne]

Nithe wrote...


I keep picturing Casey as Icarus, flying too close to the sun.

That, or Aria. "I am Mass Effect."

[Jedifan421]

CaptainBlackGold wrote...

If script writing for a game is anything like it is for a movie, then what happens is that the "lead" or producer comes up with the plot and the writers fill in the blanks. Sure, it is collaberative and all, but if the boss decides he wants the game/movie to end one way, the writers have no choice.

So, it is not like writing a novel where the author has control over the entire plot/characters, etc. Therefore I do not blame the writers for the bad ending but whoever had the authority to make the final decision. Some bosses are better than others; some listen, some don't. There is a word, "hubris" that can and does destroy the greatest concepts/goals. I suspect that this may have been the cause of the ending that so many of us dislike.

This.

If anyone has ever read Gary Kurtz's 2002 interview with IGN, you know the original ending and concept for Return of the Jedi was badass. No second Death Star, Han Solo dies to motivate the characters, Wookies instead of Ewoks, the Rebels score a bittersweet victory on Endor and Luke walks into the sunset like a Spaghetti Western hero.

Nope.

Instead, this was all changed because George Lucas wanted better merchandise revenue from toys and the like.

I feel like that's what this ending was. A chance for more revenue by buying DLC that extends the ending or changes it and then of course you buy the further DLC down the road.

NO. NO. NO. You don't do that! But that's what they're going to do inevitably and for the people who honestly want that, I'll support you to the last.

[LeoSpike]

Think about it this way. You're a writer for a popular video game and you're one of the leads on writing the actual script. Your boss walks in.

Boss: How's the script going?

You: Great! This is gonna be the best episode ever!

Boss: How so?

You: Well, I did my research. I went back and played the first two games and wrote down all the decisions the player makes, little things in the plot that need resolution, and wrote a dialogue tree for all the companions in the second game to make sure everyone has a really good end story with the player.

Boss: Fantastic! I need an estimate on what resources you need to make it happen.

<You hand the Boss the estimate. His smile fades.>

Boss: This is a hefty amount of developer time and money. Won't fit in our budget.

You: Sorry to hear that.

Boss: Well, all is not lost. Take out this...and this...and this...and this...and this...

You: Boss! You've gutted all the really cool stuff in the script!

Boss: Well, we gotta work with what they gave us.


Kind of sad, really.

Modifié par LeoSpike, 20 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[Optimus J]

Going to sleep.I'll be holding the line soon, at my shift.

Edit:Just checked Goliath something, and people are saying that Bioware announced the THREE MILLION BRUTES were killed in silver and gold in the course of the weekend.
I can't buy that. Looks like another lie.

Modifié par Optimus J, 20 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[Nithe]

wheelierdan wrote...

*snip*

the ending to mass effect 3 reads like someone who saw the matrix trilogy, or perhaps deus ex 1, loves some of the themes and hurriedly wrote some fan fiction, instead of researching the material.

If you haven't seen it all ready, that was sort of what was in mind(except just the first Matrix and Brave New World): http://i.imgur.com/oY36A.jpg 

[wheelierdan]

this is what i dont, i totally agree this is going to be a dlc orgy for them, but theyve already said we arent going to touch trhe ending or beyond... so why is it so horrible? I can only guess who ever was in charge had no ego check and no one to tell them the truth.

[atghunter]

As always, some great discussions going! Have to finish answering more e-mails, brush down my horse, and put out the oil lamp for the night so I'm off.

Be back to check up in the morning!

Stay well, stay civil, stay strong in your voice no matter what side you perfer! As for me, I will gladly...

Hold the Line

[the lord of spoons]

wheelierdan wrote...

that's the main reason i cant wait to hear writers justify it. I just have to know what brought them to that end.

these are the people who took fan corrections of the latest book and said, wow good job guys we are fixing this for all future printings... They understood how important the integrity of the source material was.

the ending to mass effect 3 reads like someone who saw the matrix trilogy, or perhaps deus ex 1, loves some of the themes and hurriedly wrote some fan fiction, instead of researching the material.

Same here.  The whole thing is just so illogical it has to be a writer or some writers that just went way to far down the rabbit hole and...I guess the game critics were more emotionally detached then all the fans so we were even more blindsided then we would be otherwise.

I would really find a serious literary defense of the ending to fascinating at this point on a purely intellectual level.

Modifié par the lord of spoons, 20 mars 2012 - 04:03 .

[InsaneNarwhal]

@nithe

Please tell me that sheet of notebook paper is not actually the thing they used to plan that. Please tell me that is a satire.

Modifié par InsaneNarwhal, 20 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[wheelierdan]

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

@nithe

Please tell me that sheet of notebook paper is not actually the thing they used to plan that. Please tell me that is a satire.

thats actually from a behind the scenes thing you can buy in app stores right now.

[Nithe]

beetlebailey123 wrote...

This reminds of the story of Oedipus. The king who acceidently killed his father, who was the king before him. Of course the Greek play has Oedipus marrying his mother, and birthing two children... but you get what I mean right?
This is the perfect example of the tragic hero.

I do. It makes it easier to empathize with Casey. But that's the nice thing about tragic heroes, you don't have to like them or forgive them, even if you can understand them.

[Damate]

Agamemnon2589 wrote...

shygravel wrote...
*snip* Original post: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/10084349/244#10288165 *snip*

Any way we can get all this information (along with an explanation for why we're sending our N7 patches back, of course) added to the original post, at least until the next letter wave is over? Maybe people coming to this thread for the first time would be more likely to see it then.

Just sent a PM to the OP.

And with that, I'm off for the night. Reinforcements up!

[shephard987]

NEWS

http://www.unigamesi...ia-fail-gamers/

This is asking if whether the media has failed the hardcore fans.
Enlightening Read.

Hold the Line

[cinderburster]

wheelierdan wrote...

InsaneNarwhal wrote...

@nithe

Please tell me that sheet of notebook paper is not actually the thing they used to plan that. Please tell me that is a satire.

thats actually from a behind the scenes thing you can buy in app stores right now.

Yep.  Think IGN put it out?  "The Final Hours" app.  Looks like a brainstorm, turned into the ending.  Love the Brave New World reference.

Bittersweet. <_<