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[Pyro1099]

Holding the Line. Hopefully I'm as dedicated as Marauder Shields.

[Maugrim]

humes spork wrote...

redknight38 wrote...

Ah, then that is more problematic. It still doesn't look good, however, and so it is still likely troublesome for Bioware.

Dude, the confidence interval (margin of error) of a 60,000 sample out of a population of 2,000,000 is .39%. Even accounting for sampling errors, response and coverage biases the MoE is still way below 3%.

I think we all know that the "self selecting poll" bit was very misleading but as one who couldn't argue it on a factual level would you people able to easily explain how accurate it most likely is?  Because yesterday they went from throwing the polls in our faces to telling us to actually make polls.

[Turtlicious]

Dridengx wrote...

So everyone hates Bioware, Mass Effect is ruined for them, They will never play the games again. They will never purchase a game from Bioware again.. but yet you will remain the rest of your life here trolling? lol. maybe use that Bioware money on new keyboards? lol

Well, to be fair, never until they release the DLC. We are staying here, because this is where our voice would be heard the most. I mean, you get your soap box and you get to call us trolls (fun for you) we get to calmly and politely take your abuse and state our opinions (fun for us) Everyone wins.

also, I don't think EVERYONE here is trolling it's a very small subsection that the media is focussing on in order to write us off. To be honest though, I don't think we will be able to agree on the matter, so I politely ask you to drop it. As I will being the same.

~Hold the line.

[AmaraDark]

redknight38 wrote...

JoeLaTurkeyII wrote...

I think even that's backfiring. The same ideas keep popping up.

1. Everyone HATES Stachild and wants the sequence with that pissant scrapped.

2. There's no logic in the technological singularity motivation

3. War assets and EMS need to give us a final choice in the matter.

The option to have a "happy" ending also comes up often. I don't know why people should be so hesitant to forward this. It's simply an option. We don't want to override the so-called dark endings. If I work at it, I think that like ME2, I should be able to have a "happy" ending, where my squad is alive and I am with them (at least). I mean, really. How many people chose the "unhappy" ending in ME2, where you kill off most of your squad or die yourself?

The only thing that has really annoyed me about this issue is the "I've got mine" tone and attitude of people who like the endings. They're happy with the endings, why change it? They can't seem to understand others aren't.

I sense that, as is usual on the internet, it's because they feel their tastes and opinions are somehow being attacked. We don't like something they don't, therefore we are belittling or insulting their taste or intelligence.

Exactly. DA:O had lots of ending options that ran the gambit pretty well. I really enjoyed seeing them play out, but my favorite does have my Warden live.

I just want Mass Effect 3 to have that same level of respect and choice.

[lachdelkar]

bump

[vigna]

yuncas wrote...

Uhh. Bumpity bump bump bump= END OF LINE. At least write a sentence or two of semi-coherent something or other. Come on.

Agreed..just say yes or good point or some other redundant thing.

[Bigdoser]

I hope people on the forums read this topic so they don't fall for the stupid PR stunts that they try and pull.

[Godof360]

Omfg people there are thousands of people can't even get to the start screen on xbox and all u narrow minded can only cry about the endings grow up and see the bigger issue

[Blackmind1]

http://social.biowar...3180/1#10104016

I wrote this earlier about the different endings, but the board is moving too fast.

Godof360 wrote...

Omfg people there are thousands of people can't even get to the start screen on xbox and all u narrow minded can only cry about the endings grow up and see the bigger issue

 

Then we're doing them a favour. By the time they do reach the start screen, they may have a less disappointing ending than we did.

Modifié par Blackmind1, 17 mars 2012 - 05:24 .

[TheRisenStar]

I have background in PR, so I'll reiterate everything my more experienced friend here has said, but add one thing.

They very possibly will be looking for ways to provoke people either into silent hopelessness or trying to get you to exhaust yourselves by way of giving them "feedback" over and over again. Marginalization (like saying "some of our most passionate fans") has the double effect of seeming like a provocation, with the goal of making you throw your hands up, Don't let it.

Remain Civil. Remain Steadfast. IMO this is a battle that the gaming industry needs to have, vis a vis the trends developers and publishers have taken in the last few years.

[Hylndur]

You all know the mission, and what is at stake.
I have come to trust each of you with my life -- but I have also heard murmurs of discontent. I share your concerns.
We are trained for espionage; we would be legends, but the records are sealed. Glory in battle is not our way.
Think of our heroes; the Silent Step, who defeated a nation with a single shot. Or the Ever Alert, who kept armies at bay with hidden facts.
These giants do not seem to give us solace here, but they are not all that we are.
Before the network, there was the fleet. Before diplomacy, there were soldiers!
Our influence stopped the rachni, but before that we held the line!
Our influence stopped the krogan, but before that, we held the line!
Our influence will stop Saren; in the battle today, we will hold the line!”

Hold the Line!

[Kleirmond]

So well written. Definitely worth reading.
Well done.

Hold the Line.

[timj2011]

Everything about this series has been perfect, even 97% of ME3

I shall hold the line

P.S I've been legitimately suicidal for the past week, so hopefully we all still hold the line

[Arian Dynas]

Here to support this info.

[Laughing_Man]

Dridengx wrote...

So everyone hates Bioware, Mass Effect is ruined for them, They will never play the games again. They will never purchase a game from Bioware again.. but yet you will remain the rest of your life here trolling? lol. maybe use that Bioware money on new keyboards? lol

When the defense comes from posts like this with "lol" at the end, you realise how low bioware has fallen.

[vigna]

Godof360 wrote...

Omfg people there are thousands of people can't even get to the start screen on xbox and all u narrow minded can only cry about the endings grow up and see the bigger issue

What?

[Fapmaster5000]

I can tell you, every person I know who's played the game has come away with a strain of "God, that sucks" to "RAAAAAGGEE" at the ending, and NOT in a productive, "oh, that was an amazingly tragic/artsy ending" way, either.

This ending was a debacle, this PR spin is an insult. Stay calm, stay civil, and accept nothing less than a mulligan on the ending.

I really want to know why they didn't simply scale up the Suicide Mission from ME2. Replace squad members "go here, do this" with RACES. The more people you got on your team, to more War Assets you could deploy. Scale up, deploy the might of the galaxy at a macro-level (cutscene or audio, like in ME2), while managing your squad at the micro-level (just like ME2), and playing the game for your team (just like ME2).

And then give some darn closure.

I'm sure you've all seen the famous "plot curve" in writing classes. Introduction, Crisis, Rising Action, Climax, Denouement. If you've seen the ME3 design documents, they completely forgot that last step, hence a lot of the rage.

Not finishing the story isn't artsy, it's grammar school hack writing.

[Blackmind1]

timj2011 wrote...

Everything about this series has been perfect, even 97% of ME3

I shall hold the line

P.S I've been legitimately suicidal for the past week, so hopefully we all still hold the line

Really? ...that's... You should really see a doctor, if so. That is not the sign of a healthy mind. It's just a videogame.

[Catroi]

I just received a mail from Commander Shepard himself:
"hold the ****ing line or I'll cut your balls and sell them to a Krogan!"

Ps: you're the wise beared man of the retake movement

Modifié par Catroi, 17 mars 2012 - 05:27 .

[Razorsteel]

Godof360 wrote...

Omfg people there are thousands of people can't even get to the start screen on xbox and all u narrow minded can only cry about the endings grow up and see the bigger issue

Then shouldn't you be in the tech support section then?

[GunMoth]

Thanks OP! Fantastic read. Its great to know that someone is familiar with what's happening on the inside. We're all human and while money is a huge factor in this, there's definitely a sense of humility coming from some of the PR reps / devs on the Bioware team.

I'd also like to clear a few things up and discuss the future of the Mass Effect series:

1) A happy ending doesn't have to be us riding off into the sunset with our space waifus or hubbies. I posted this somewhere else, but a "happy ending" could simply be the sense of accomplishment one achieves when standing next to a surviving comrade and knowing that "its all over" rather than fading from existence. (Assuming the staff decides to go with the face value of the current endings).

2) I support the indoctrination theory for the ending as it leaves room for
- A new hero to take the lead from Shepard. Perhaps shepard is indoctrinated (final boss anyone?). Or maybe Shepard is unfit for battle after waking up in London (assuming you unlock destroy ending). The Mass Relays and the reapers are a huge central part of the ME series. Perhaps the destruction of the reapers is Shepard's "duty" but finding out what truly caused them / where they were hiding in deep space / making sure they are FULLY eliminated could be another hero's job? Who knows. We do know that there has been confirmation that they don't want to end the "universe". Just kicking around ideas.

3) Bleh I forgot what I was going to put here. So late.

[Fapmaster5000]

TheRisenStar wrote...

I have background in PR, so I'll reiterate everything my more experienced friend here has said, but add one thing.

They very possibly will be looking for ways to provoke people either into silent hopelessness or trying to get you to exhaust yourselves by way of giving them "feedback" over and over again. Marginalization (like saying "some of our most passionate fans") has the double effect of seeming like a provocation, with the goal of making you throw your hands up, Don't let it.

Remain Civil. Remain Steadfast. IMO this is a battle that the gaming industry needs to have, vis a vis the trends developers and publishers have taken in the last few years.

This, a thousand times this.  They are trying to wear us down, to make us give up and go, "well, they'll get it right next time".

Just like last time.

Burn us once, shame on you.  Burn us twice...

[Pyro1099]

Since I'm here, has anyone found a good wallpaper of the Normandy SR-2 wreckage from the ME3 ending. I've searched DeviantArt and Google but no luck.

[Maugrim]

Godof360 wrote...

Omfg people there are thousands of people can't even get to the start screen on xbox and all u narrow minded can only cry about the endings grow up and see the bigger issue

I believe your XBOX has gone sentient on some people and is trying to protect the creators from a horrible ending.  You should be grateful!

But really that sucks, hope it gets fixed.

[Siansonea]

I'm not a hardcore ME3 hater, but for me, even more than the ending, I'm disappointed by the sameness of the game from playthrough to playthrough. I've started my "maximum carnage" playthrough, with my psychotic Soldier who killed EVERYONE she could in the previous games, and it's remarkable how completely the same each mission is. Wreav says and does pretty much everything Wrex does. Padok Wiks says and does pretty much everything Mordin would do—even to the point of naming the krogan female "Eve", and for the same reason as Mordin. I was expecting a much more dramatic difference from playthroughs as different as the ones I carefully created.

I suppose in retrospect, it was foolish to expect such a level of difference, since ME2 wasn't really all that different depending on your ME1 choices. Really, it seems like the much-touted variety in the game amounts to different character models and voice actors saying pretty much the same lines as the main character. I would have loved it if the Sur'Kesh mission, for instance, had played out quite differently without Wrex and Mordin, like maybe the krogan female dies, and the krogan refuse to help the turians. But nope, it all gets to Point B the same as if you played a total Girl Scout Shepard who crossed all her t's and dotted all her i's. Wreav and Wiks cleave to the same script as Wrex and Mordin, and that's disappointing. Same goes for Palaven, without Garrus, you get to where you're going just the same as if he were there, which is kind of an insult to Garrus, when you think about it. You just get less interaction and less "remember the old days, Shepard?" because you're just dealing directly with the Primarch in the same way you would if Garrus was there, just without Garrus' interjections. Can't wait to see how the quarian/geth sitch plays out with both Tali and Legion dead in this playthrough, but I'm sure I'll just be dealing with Shala'Raan, Daro'Xen and some random rogue geth platform, possibly named Phalanx or something. RGB endings are lazy and cheap, sure, but worse than that is the lazy and cheap shortcuts that were taken throughout the game. I'm really worried about the replayability of this game, I was expecting to be playing six playthroughs with lots of unique moments. Now I'm wondering why I ever thought that would happen, considering all the red flags in ME2. :/